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[Ticktank]

I think Cerberus HAD to be villains this time round, for gameplay reasons. We need to have more than just Reaper forces and the occasional Geth to kill.

[HiroVoid]

Ticktank wrote...

I think Cerberus HAD to be villains this time round, for gameplay reasons. We need to have more than just Reaper forces and the occasional Geth to kill.

I do honestly believe this was part of the reason for it, but it still feels like there was better ways to go with it like the reapers using indoctrinated civilians as soldiers.

[Dave of Canada]

Talk-jutsu backfired in ME1 for renegades in ME3.

[Seboist]

Ticktank wrote...

I think Cerberus HAD to be villains this time round, for gameplay reasons. We need to have more than just Reaper forces and the occasional Geth to kill.

No, Arrival had already set up a humanoid non-Reaper enemy with the Batarians.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Depending on Shepard's demeanor why wouldn't TIM tell him near the end?

The lack of any canonical demeanor that makes Shepard go 'I would support Cerberus no matter what.'

Have his "big reveal"? So yeah, the last ten or 15 minutes TIM reveals what he is going to do and you can side with him if you want. 

My apologies. I thought you were talking about the betrayal of the common front, which would likely be notably before that.

Different context. No matter.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It serves a practical goal (legitimization) within a reasonable limit (not claiming to be the only faction interested in humanity), while also giving the Council a way to mitigate the damages in the future (revoking the status later, if Cerberus is too extreme) which makes it more paltable for the Council to give (because it's only for a while).

It is not practical at all. Practical is asking the Council to just get off his back (which will encourage the Alliance to do the same), rather than asking for their hand in marriage. He's much more likely to get what he wants if he doesn't ask for as much.

It's a nice idea, but I think it goes a little too far.

Spectre status is hardly hand in marriage. Whether it's to TIM or to his hand-picked agent would have the same effect, and you already accepted the second.

But we'll simply disagree on this, I suspect.

[Labrev]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kind of hard to get more to the point than 'you're wrong,' but hey. Just for you.

You're wrong.

No I got your point, just noted that you said it in your usual way of posting nonsense on here . Posting smart-sounding BS claims which the average person on here will accept just because it sounds smart.

Unless you actually have some way to show that my facts are skewed. I went down this road with you once, you must have missed my last post though.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Let's say Balak were to feed the poor in ME3, does a Shepard who took the renegade path on that mission think like: "Darn it! In some alternate universe which I don't exist in, Balak turned his life around! I made the wrong decsion..." - ?

I think his reaction would be the same as the player's, "WTF?"

Seriously, what ME3 does with Balak is actually kind of comedic, in a way. It's the best example yet of the universe bending and twisting in any way it has to in order to make the Paragon path the right path. 

You missed the point - there would be no reaction. You don't know the consequences of decisions you didn't take. You only live with the conseuqences of your own actions. The other side being right/wrong does not validate/invalidate what you do.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 01 janvier 2012 - 01:46 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Talk-jutsu backfired in ME1 for renegades in ME3.

Which one is that, if I might ask?

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

I have to hand it to Bioware for creating something so ridiculous (Balak in ME3) that it makes Helena Blake becoming a social worker look sensible.

I'm still waiting to hear what this supposed positive-outcome of Balak is. I specifically read "you should have killed me on the asteroid on Terra Nova" and then him trying to attack you.


Or is this just the typical BSN screaming-into-a-mirror?

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kind of hard to get more to the point than 'you're wrong,' but hey. Just for you.

You're wrong.

No I got your point, just noted that you said it in your usual way of posting nonsense on here . Posting smart-sounding BS claims which the average person on here will accept just because it sounds smart.

Or you lie and exagerate until challenged, at which point you claim you knew better.



Note that because of the smile, it could not have been an insult.




;);););)

Unless you actually have some way to show that my facts are skewed.

You make subjective opinions into nonfalsifiables, disqualify those who disagree you, and then call it a day regardless of accuracy until challenged. As evidence... well, you're own exagerated confusion of a plain statement you just conceded you understood.

I went down this road with you once, you must have missed my last post though.

We've gone down this road many a time, which is why it is no longer a surprise.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 01 janvier 2012 - 01:44 .

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I have to hand it to Bioware for creating something so ridiculous (Balak in ME3) that it makes Helena Blake becoming a social worker look sensible.

I'm still waiting to hear what this supposed positive-outcome of Balak is. I specifically read "you should have killed me on the asteroid on Terra Nova" and then him trying to attack you.


Or is this just the typical BSN screaming-into-a-mirror?

Stronger Batarian space fleet to aid Shepard and exclusive information on the Leviathan of Dis.

[HiroVoid]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I have to hand it to Bioware for creating something so ridiculous (Balak in ME3) that it makes Helena Blake becoming a social worker look sensible.

I'm still waiting to hear what this supposed positive-outcome of Balak is. I specifically read "you should have killed me on the asteroid on Terra Nova" and then him trying to attack you.


Or is this just the typical BSN screaming-into-a-mirror?

Edit: Seboist got it.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 01 janvier 2012 - 01:44 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Reapers is aware of that.

[GreenDragon37]

Kid Buu wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

Exactly. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. It seems like everything Mass Effect related revolves around cerberus. Seriously, I want to kill cerberus more than I want to kill the reapers. I dont understand why Bioware cant think of anything else. Every ****ing comic and novel is about cerberus making some experiment that goes wrong. FFS.

This! I applaud you both. Cerberus is more annoying than anything. I just wish ME didn't revolve around them. It seems like the writers are just making stuff up on the fly...

TIM was never the good guy, though. IN ME2, he was the devil you had to work with to save heaven, so to speak.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 janvier 2012 - 01:58 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Ticktank wrote...

I think Cerberus HAD to be villains this time round, for gameplay reasons. We need to have more than just Reaper forces and the occasional Geth to kill.

Cerberus troops wear full body armor. You could put Batarians or even Asari into the models just as easily.

[Labrev]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kind of hard to get more to the point than 'you're wrong,' but hey. Just for you.

You're wrong.

No I got your point, just noted that you said it in your usual way of posting nonsense on here . Posting smart-sounding BS claims which the average person on here will accept just because it sounds smart.

Or you lie and exagerate until challenged, at which point you claim you knew better.



Note that because of the smile, it could not have been an insult.




;);););)

Unless you actually have some way to show that my facts are skewed.

You make subjective opinions into nonfalsifiables, disqualify those who disagree you, and then call it a day regardless of accuracy until challenged. As evidence... well, you're own exagerated confusion of a plain statement you just conceded you understood.

I went down this road with you once, you must have missed my last post though.

We've gone down this road many a time, which is why it is no longer a surprise.

Guy, please.

You claim Paragons get the better outcome because they can get Zaeed's loyalty on his mission (iffy, must actually meet the high persuade requirement), save a handful or people, and save the refinery. You include the refinery when it has no tangible benefit in the least and TIM's post-mission report saying it is millions of $ away from being functional again, yet claim that the renegade path doesn't benefit from stopping a major merc-leader because nothing came of it. Meanwhile, the outcome of the paragon path in ME3 results in... people dying on the same exact mission! But, even though they died because of paragon decision on the mission, they don't count since they are rent-a-guns.

That's just one of your claims.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 01 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I have to hand it to Bioware for creating something so ridiculous (Balak in ME3) that it makes Helena Blake becoming a social worker look sensible.

I'm still waiting to hear what this supposed positive-outcome of Balak is. I specifically read "you should have killed me on the asteroid on Terra Nova" and then him trying to attack you.


Or is this just the typical BSN screaming-into-a-mirror?

Stronger Batarian space fleet to aid Shepard and exclusive information on the Leviathan of Dis.

So this is wrong? [Ctrl+F "Balak"]

[Seboist]

Read what the Balak replacement says.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Guy, please.

You claim Paragons get the better outcome because they can get Zaeed's loyalty on his mission (iffy, must actually meet the high persuade requirement), save a handful or people, and save the refinery.

Misrepresentation of position.

You include the refinery when it has no tangible benefit in the least

Besides credits, 'tangible benefits' is not the only sort of benefit or the only concern.

and TIM's post-mission report saying it is millions of $ away from being functional again, yet claim that the renegade path doesn't benefit from stopping a major merc-leader because nothing came of it

Misrepresentation of position.

Meanwhile, the outcome of the paragon path in ME3 results in... people dying on the same exact mission!

That's just one of your claims.

No, it isn't. Another misrepresentation of position.

While it's impressive you dropped three strawmen in one post, it's also expected at this point.

[Nightmaire]

There's no telling that TIM isn't already indoctrinated. Just saying.

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Cerberus troops wear full body armor. You could put Batarians or even Asari into the models just as easily.

Only difference is that neither of those races have the mobility, motive or resources Cerberus has.

They're a little busy with trying to fend off the machine race that wants to turn them into milkshakes.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 01 janvier 2012 - 02:13 .

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Cerberus troops wear full body armor. You could put Batarians or even Asari into the models just as easily.

Only difference is that neither of those races have the mobility, motive or resources Cerberus has.

They're a little busy with trying to fend off the machine race that wants to turn them into milkshakes.

Would have been nice if Arrival wasn't just an excuse to start on Earth,no?

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Cerberus troops wear full body armor. You could put Batarians or even Asari into the models just as easily.

Only difference is that neither of those races have the mobility, motive or resources Cerberus has.

They're inter-stellar empires with megacorporations and major production centers. That's the resources. They have ships, special forces, and assault craft. That's the mobility. They can be indoctrinated. Since that's what Cerberus is, that shouldn't be a problem.


Of course, Batarians could also easily justify a partially-indoctrinated, partially-too-hateful-to-care leadership that either wants to take down the Humans first, or thinks the Reapers will fail but that the Hegemony could ally with them to both spare themselves AND to bring low their historic rivals. (Also, intend to betray the Reapers at the end to achieve victory.)

They're a little busy with trying to fend off the machine race that wants to turn them into milkshakes.

Like Cerberus was?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 01 janvier 2012 - 02:21 .