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[Gen. Grievous]

Wasn't Battlefront II better than Knights of the Old Republic?

[Gen. Grievous]

I certainly think so...

[alex90c]

Anders is commenting on the Mage-Templar conflict being certain. He's commenting that mages should be free and this is a certain fact, which Merrill and her own doubts conflict with.

Thus, to Merrill things aren't certain anymore because she believed that all mages should be free and not locked up.

This is what Merrill is arguing. What Anders believes is certain fact -- Mages being free -- Merrill is now unsure of.

And even then, the issue isn't cut and dry. Although DAII's story painted it to being black and white, the issue is itself a grey one.

I wouldn't say it was that grey. Mages who abuse their powers need to be dealt with, ones who won't cause harm in society should be allowed to be free, just how in any society everyone is allowed free while criminals are dealt with. The only uncertainty is how to reach that goal, personally I'd say children should be taken to Circles and then trained with their magics until they're capable enough of protecting themselves from demons, and then returned to their families. Anything bad they do once released will be punished just how everyone else is punished, and if while at the Circle the enchanters/templars feel certain people are incapable of using their powers responsibly then they simply stay in the Circle all the way until the templars feel they can (and if never, then well I suppose they die in the Circle).

So yes, mages should be free. A few strings attached, but free.

Would you buy a coping mechanism for someone who's fiercely fighting depression?

If not, then we're at an impasse as it seems you're determined to hate Merrill.

I have no idea how someone fiercely fighting depression is even on the same level as someone who is simply a ******. When people are thrown in to strange environments, they're sometimes cautious but want to learn about it as quickly as possible so they can adjust quicker, not coming out with mind-bogglingly stupid GIGGLESQUEE things.

I never thought a video game could inspire so much hatred from me, but jesus the DA2 cast is plain awful.

I will never get the Merrill hate  

i dunno, maybe because some people don't enjoy playing a game with a character unbelievably stupid? Same with how Anders' pro-mage ranting is annoying, Fenris' pro-templar ranting is annoying, Isabela's constant bringing up of sex is annoying (don't you have anything better to talk about?) and Carver just being an annoying bellend is irritating.

Modifié par alex90c, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:12 .

[Clover Rider]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm loooks like the "Why do people hate Fenris and Anders" thread turned into the "Why I hate Merrill thread"....

Well, really it's now "Why do people hate Fenris, Anders, and Merrill?"

It always happens though. They're the characters in DAII that are hated the most by some people, so it'll eventually crop up.

I will never get the Merrill hate.

Neither will I. It's why I defend her so fiercely. Hell I pour over everything Merrill says in game -- when I can bring myself to replay DAII -- in an effort to see if there's some deeper meaning to something that deals with her.

And then I use it wherever Merrill-bashing threads appear.

It's not like she is the "best character ever" more like, not really that much one can hate about her. So really as I see it one can not care about her or one likes her but the hate? I don't get. 

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

[Clover Rider]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

I certainly think so...

No.

And alex90c she is not really stupid, well she is and she isn't, like she can be stupid about small things no really cares about but when it comes to the big stuff? no she is far from stupid.

Modifié par Some Geth, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:15 .

[Gen. Grievous]

Oh yeah??

[Gen. Grievous]

Remember the choppy battle scenes is KOTOR??

[Gen. Grievous]

BioWare was in it's beginning days back then...

[Gen. Grievous]

I'm not surprised by the lack of suitable gameplay.

[Sylvianus]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm loooks like the "Why do people hate Fenris and Anders" thread turned into the "Why I hate Merrill thread"....

And why couldn't we talk about all the characters we want, while we are at it ? If bioware want absolutely that we talk about Fenris and Anders, they'll tell us.

You completely missed my point.  The topic is "Why are people so mean to Fenris and Anders?".  There are several "I hate Merrill" threads as well as "I hate Isabela" (Fill in the blank of any character, they all have some people who don't llike them).  Not saying people can't discuss it, it just goes waaaaay off topic to start in on the hate gravy train for a completely different character in the thread where two others are being discussed.  It's like a debate team with ADHD...
"And I'd like to point out...oooooshiney!" *runs off*

That's because your point is totally useless. Where do you think we are here ?
You must be new to believe that a hate thread about a character does not derail, a hate thread in general in a non spoiler section derail all the time.

Your view is just too naive for me, you're on the bsn. I just learned to deal with that. That's why I don"t come anymore to complain about a hate thread who isn't * always * totally about a specific character.

Any hate thread that is not in the questline spoiler section, is likely to be derailed.

There will always be fanboys of Merrill who are not happy, and will say Nooo, she isn't stupid because one person said she is, and derailed a bit, no, that's  anders that is the bastard in the story. And some people who like Anders, who will say no, it is right to say she is stupid to Merrill.

And finally, there are others folks who  finally want to tell who they like and who they don't like, even if it is only about two specific characters. . And some other people will argue their point and finally it isn't  * always *about a specific character.

you claim to be able to control such a machine?  lol. just no.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:20 .

[Gen. Grievous]

Ever since then, I've been reluctant to get a RPG...

[Gen. Grievous]

UNTIL ME2!!!!

[LinksOcarina]

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

Yes it is, because the product were talking about is not from Japan. We are talking about the qualities of what a technical "JRPG" is. You are basically saying because of the art style or the country of origin, the game is a JRPG, but Dragon Age II, and to a lesser extant every RPG Bioware has made for the PC and consoles are the same thing as a Console RPG, which is what most so-called JRPGs are; self-contained storylines that follow linear progression. 

Simply put, the term JRPG is stupid because people don't understand the context of it. It is like saying that all anime comes from Japan, yet we see americans emulating the anime style in the U.S all the time, from Teen Titans to Avatar: The Last Airbender. We should stop using the phrase because it's wrong, and it irks me so when I see it because I would hope we would be better than that considering (I am guessing at least) a majroity of us are big RPG fans to begin with.

As for the complaint on Fenris, that is also stupid because his overall look really is not that much of a negative, although I do think that the outfit should have been changable to something else personally, mainly because it looks like it was designed to show the tattoos.

[alex90c]

Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

I certainly think so...

No.

And alex90c she is not really stupid, well she is and she isn't, like she can be stupid about small things no really cares about but when it comes to the big stuff? no she is far from stupid.

"small things" like blood magic?

"grrr merrill, blood magic comes from demons, you used that magic to bypass that barrier"

"WHAT THE HELL GUYS ITS ONLY BLOOD MAGIC IT WONT DO ANYTHING"

yeah w/e merrill, go die in a fire

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

Yes it is, because the product were talking about is not from Japan. We are talking about the qualities of what a technical "JRPG" is. You are basically saying because of the art style or the country of origin, the game is a JRPG, but Dragon Age II, and to a lesser extant every RPG Bioware has made for the PC and consoles are the same thing as a Console RPG, which is what most so-called JRPGs are; self-contained storylines that follow linear progression. 

Simply put, the term JRPG is stupid because people don't understand the context of it. It is like saying that all anime comes from Japan, yet we see americans emulating the anime style in the U.S all the time, from Teen Titans to Avatar: The Last Airbender. We should stop using the phrase because it's wrong, and it irks me so when I see it because I would hope we would be better than that considering (I am guessing at least) a majroity of us are big RPG fans to begin with.

As for the complaint on Fenris, that is also stupid because his overall look really is not that much of a negative, although I do think that the outfit should have been changable to something else personally, mainly because it looks like it was designed to show the tattoos.

So basically, what you are saying is this Everyone who doesn`t agree with my opinions should chainge their opinins to mine. if not they are stupid".

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

Yes it is, because the product were talking about is not from Japan. We are talking about the qualities of what a technical "JRPG" is. You are basically saying because of the art style or the country of origin, the game is a JRPG, but Dragon Age II, and to a lesser extant every RPG Bioware has made for the PC and consoles are the same thing as a Console RPG, which is what most so-called JRPGs are; self-contained storylines that follow linear progression. 

Simply put, the term JRPG is stupid because people don't understand the context of it. It is like saying that all anime comes from Japan, yet we see americans emulating the anime style in the U.S all the time, from Teen Titans to Avatar: The Last Airbender. We should stop using the phrase because it's wrong, and it irks me so when I see it because I would hope we would be better than that considering (I am guessing at least) a majroity of us are big RPG fans to begin with.

As for the complaint on Fenris, that is also stupid because his overall look really is not that much of a negative, although I do think that the outfit should have been changable to something else personally, mainly because it looks like it was designed to show the tattoos.

Its not racist to dislike a product from a certain country. What if i don`t like the food at McDonalds? Does that mean that I hate the USA? Or if I don`t like indian food I automatically hate their race?

[LinksOcarina]

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

Yes it is, because the product were talking about is not from Japan. We are talking about the qualities of what a technical "JRPG" is. You are basically saying because of the art style or the country of origin, the game is a JRPG, but Dragon Age II, and to a lesser extant every RPG Bioware has made for the PC and consoles are the same thing as a Console RPG, which is what most so-called JRPGs are; self-contained storylines that follow linear progression. 

Simply put, the term JRPG is stupid because people don't understand the context of it. It is like saying that all anime comes from Japan, yet we see americans emulating the anime style in the U.S all the time, from Teen Titans to Avatar: The Last Airbender. We should stop using the phrase because it's wrong, and it irks me so when I see it because I would hope we would be better than that considering (I am guessing at least) a majroity of us are big RPG fans to begin with.

As for the complaint on Fenris, that is also stupid because his overall look really is not that much of a negative, although I do think that the outfit should have been changable to something else personally, mainly because it looks like it was designed to show the tattoos.

So basically, what you are saying is this Everyone who doesn`t agree with my opinions should chainge their opinins to mine. if not they are stupid".

Almost. The only difference is that this is not an opinion, this is a fact.

 I am saying everyone is stupid for using the term JRPG because it is terrible terminology and we need to abandon it immediately. Even friggin developers and game journalists need to stop coining the phrase, it paints a negative picture of an RPG-style that people still willfully play because they don't know what it really means. Its hypocritical on many levels and frankly annoying to hear because it is used almost negatively to describe a genre, when in reality we will be playing this same genre when Mass Effect 3 hits in 2 months, when Dragon Age III hits years down the line, and so forth. 

 
Its not racist to dislike a product from a certain country. What if i don`t like the food at McDonalds? Does that mean that I hate the USA? Or if I don`t like indian food I automatically hate their race?

You are missing the point. Let me make it simple by posing a question. 

Mass Effect is the same type of RPG as Final Fantasy XIII. Now the question I have, is Why? I'm serious, give me an honest answer as to why it is the same thing. And if you don't think it is, say so, then I will tell you why.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:30 .

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Merril and Fenris are hated because they are a pair of jrpg elves that sticks out like sore thumbs in a western rpg. Mixing artstyles is bad.

Ugh...

1. JRPG is a racist term. It means nothing except at best, a superficial understanding of art styles in a game, which in this case means nothing because the elves in the art-style fit the ****ing art style of Dragon Age II. 

2. There is no such thing as a western RPG. There are Console RPGS, also known as Light RPGs in Japan, which is what Dragon Age is, along with a lot of so called JRPGS like Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest, Xenosaga, and Earthbound, to name a few. While were at, Western games, like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, the KOTOR games, and so forth are in the same boat.

3. Other games like Skyrim, Borderlands, Wizardry, Dungeon Defenders, Warcraft III, Diablo and so forth are a mix of different genres, from Roguelikes to Dungeon Crawlers to Computer RPGs, which were mostly derived from Dungeon and Dragon-style rules, different interfaces, multi-player,  RTS's, etc. But they are still RPGs.

Please, get your facts right before you make a statement like that.

How is reffering to a japaneese roleplaying games as a JRPG considered racist? Its not racist to state where a product is being made.

Yes it is, because the product were talking about is not from Japan. We are talking about the qualities of what a technical "JRPG" is. You are basically saying because of the art style or the country of origin, the game is a JRPG, but Dragon Age II, and to a lesser extant every RPG Bioware has made for the PC and consoles are the same thing as a Console RPG, which is what most so-called JRPGs are; self-contained storylines that follow linear progression. 

Simply put, the term JRPG is stupid because people don't understand the context of it. It is like saying that all anime comes from Japan, yet we see americans emulating the anime style in the U.S all the time, from Teen Titans to Avatar: The Last Airbender. We should stop using the phrase because it's wrong, and it irks me so when I see it because I would hope we would be better than that considering (I am guessing at least) a majroity of us are big RPG fans to begin with.

As for the complaint on Fenris, that is also stupid because his overall look really is not that much of a negative, although I do think that the outfit should have been changable to something else personally, mainly because it looks like it was designed to show the tattoos.

So basically, what you are saying is this Everyone who doesn`t agree with my opinions should chainge their opinins to mine. if not they are stupid".

Almost. The only difference is that this is not an opinion, this is a fact.

 I am saying everyone is stupid for using the term JRPG because it is terrible terminology and we need to abandon it immediately. Even friggin developers and game journalists need to stop coining the phrase, it paints a negative picture of an RPG-style that people still willfully play because they don't know what it really means. Its hypocritical on many levels and frankly annoying to hear because it is used almost negatively to describe a genre, when in reality we will be playing this same genre when Mass Effect 3 hits in 2 months, when Dragon Age III hits years down the line, and so forth. 

 
Its not racist to dislike a product from a certain country. What if i don`t like the food at McDonalds? Does that mean that I hate the USA? Or if I don`t like indian food I automatically hate their race?

You are missing the point. Let me make it simple by posing a question. 

Mass Effect is the same thing as Final Fantasy XIII. Why?

Mass effect is not the same as Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is turn-based (I think), it has teens running around with oversized weightless swords. Its designed to be cute, and clearly for a young audience. Mass Effect is rated Mature, its a shooter with some rp elements in it. And nobody in Mass Effect have eyes twice as big as their mouths.

[sylvanaerie]

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Modifié par sylvanaerie, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:33 .

[LinksOcarina]

Rawgrim wrote...

Mass effect is not the same as Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is turn-based (I think), it has teens running around with oversized weightless swords. Its designed to be cute, and clearly for a young audience. Mass Effect is rated Mature, its a shooter with some rp elements in it. And nobody in Mass Effect have eyes twice as big as their mouths.

Ok, this is why you are wrong.

1. The content of the game has no bearing on where the game comes from. Case en-point, ever play an RPG named Neir? It was japanese made, but the protagonist was a conan-like figure in his mid-thirties with a lot of blood and darker themes in it. Right away, because of what you said, it is regulated to a JRPG though because of its country of origin based on your definition. 

2. You are once again, talking about an art style, which is personal taste. It has no bearing on the content of the RPG though, it is just how the game looks. I won't change your mind there, but keep that in mind next time we see something from the west, it doesn't make it a so-called JRPG. 

3. Both Mass Effect and Final Fantasy are similar because of the mechanics of the game. They are self-contained stories with linear progression (despite all the freedoms you get in Mass Effect, the conclusion is pretty much the same.), and are more character focused, either on the main character, or a group or party of them. They have degrees of choice in the games that you can follow to allow a customization of the experience, level up mechanics, role-changing via classes and items, and have a degree of strategy in the combat based on the games specific combat rules (which are not based on outside systems like DnD) FF XIII is not turn based, and as a sidebar that is not a trope of JRPGs either, because we saw it in games like Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, but that was made by EA in the U.S, it just a system of battle that is used, a mechanic of Console RPGs

What makes a Console RPG is the mechanics of it, not the art style, or the country of origin. This is why Mass Effect, and Final Fantasy, are both Console RPGs and the same; the only difference between them is the art style and gameplay tweaks. The core mechanics, however, didn't change. So it really doesn't matter if your shooting something or going turn-based, in the end its the same type of genre of RPG you are playing. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[TEWR]

alex90c wrote...



So yes, mages should be free. A few strings attached, but free.

That's what I've often argued, but it's how to get there that's grey -- as you said -- as well as how to be able to determine who is in fact the criminal mage.

Mind control could hinder these plans.

At any rate I'm going to stop the Mage-Templar discussion right now. I've argued it far too much that it's just getting stale.

I have no idea how someone fiercely fighting depression is even on the same level as someone who is simply a ******. When people are thrown in to strange environments, they're sometimes cautious but want to learn about it as quickly as possible so they can adjust quicker, not coming out with mind-bogglingly stupid GIGGLESQUEE things.

I never thought a video game could inspire so much hatred from me, but jesus the DA2 cast is plain awful.

*Sigh*

I loathe to talk too much about my own personal experiences in an attempt to defend Merrill -- I actually don't know what to think about my doing this. Seems kinda weird to do so -- but... well... here goes.

A couple years back my life was falling apart. Nothing was going right. Every time I tried to do something good it would just go to hell in a handbasket. My family was going bankrupt, I had to pick up a job just to help either pay the bills or help get myself through an expensive high school, and all the while I couldn't devote enough time to my studies.

I would work at 5:30 p.m to 9-30 p.m, only to get home around 10:15 p.m and finish my homework around 3:00 a.m. If I was lucky, I'd get about 3 hours of sleep, but I would always end up falling asleep in my classes anyway.

Eventually, I found out my mom had a relapse of cancer. I couldn't handle this on top of everything else. I just sort of... broke. I had always used jokes as a defense mechanism, but after finding this out I used them in almost every situation and I had reverted to the mentality of a child. I'm a smart person -- I've often been told such by friends and family -- but after this I just couldn't deal with anything. I just wanted to act like a child again because back then, I didn't have to deal with what I was currently dealing with at that time.

I didn't really let anyone know what was going on. I would just crack jokes or say stupid things like those a child might say because... I wasn't really there anymore. Even though I knew what was happening -- and indeed there were moments where the real me came out -- I had pushed that part of me to the back of my mind.

"Don't acknowledge it", I said. "It might just turn out to all be a bad dream".

Merrill's a similar case. I imagine her time in the clan from the age of 4 to the time she found the Eluvian shard was a time she could enjoy, even if she didn't have many real friends in the clan.

But when we meet her, she's suffering horrific incident after another when all she's trying to do is something good. Something to fix their problems.

When we meet her, the clan is pissed at her for not only keeping the Eluvian shard but for taking up blood magic to cleanse the shard of its taint (and it worked to). So that's one bad instance. When she left, this was probably the breaking point for her just as my mom's relapse was the one for me. Just look at her eyes when she's leaving. They're sad and almost at the point of despair.

3 years later we find out the clan is against her because of Marethari's slander against Merrill and Merrill witnesses Pol being more afraid of her than of a crazed Varterral that's already killed 3 hunters. Merrill hasn't killed anyone ever but the Varterral has, and Pol ran right into its lair.

That's another traumatizing instance for her.

Finally, there's Marethari's needless and idiotic sacrifice. Marethari was pretty much the mother-figure in the clan to Merrill.

Everything Merrill did was to try and fix the problems their clan and their culture was currently in. But it all went to hell in a handbasket because of the clan itself.

Merrill's cuteness seems to be a coping mechanism for what traumatizing instances she's witnessed.

I think that's maybe why I enjoy her character so much more than the other romances. Because even if I never realized it consciously, subconsciously I knew just what she was going through because I went through a similar scenario myself. Minus the blood magic, demons, and Elven nature of things obviously.

It's only through eroeru's post that I even began to think that might have been why.


EDIT: whoops meant the clan, not the Alienage!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Mass effect is not the same as Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is turn-based (I think), it has teens running around with oversized weightless swords. Its designed to be cute, and clearly for a young audience. Mass Effect is rated Mature, its a shooter with some rp elements in it. And nobody in Mass Effect have eyes twice as big as their mouths.

Ok, this is why you are wrong.

1. The content of the game has no bearing on where the game comes from. Case en-point, ever play an RPG named Neir? It was japanese made, but the protagonist was a conan-like figure in his mid-thirties with a lot of blood and darker themes in it. Rigth away, because of what you said, it is regulated to a JRPG though because of its country of origin based on your definition. 

2. You are once again, talking about an art style, which is personal taste. It has no bearing on the content of the RPG though, it is just how the game looks. I won't change your mind there, but keep that in mind next time we see something from the west, it doesn't make it a so-called JRPG. 

3. Both Mass Effect and Final Fantasy are similar because of the mechanics of the game. They are contained stories with linear progression (despite all the freedoms you get in Mass Effect, the conclusion is pretty much the same.), and are more character focused, either on the main character, or a group or party of them, and have a degree of strategy in the combat based on their own combat rules. FF XIII is not turn based, and once again that is not a trope of JRPGs either, because we saw it in games like Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, but that was made by EA in the U.S.

What makes a console RPG is the mechanics of it, not the art style, or the country of origin. This is why Mass Effect, and Final Fantasy, are both console RPGs, and the only difference between them is the art style and mechanical tweaks. The rest of it, the core mechanics, are the same.

So that means Gears of War is an rpg too... Yeah, right.

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Rawgrim wrote...

So that means Gears of War is an rpg too... Yeah, right.

Check the above, I had to edit it to make it more clear. You neglect progression of characters via level ups and degrees of choice, via dialogue, weaponry, items, classes, all the mechanics that make the game more strategic like that to tailor to ones playstyle. 

thats what separates it. So find a better analogy.

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To me, if a character brings so much hate or love, it's because it's a great character..

So true

Not really. I'm finding the Final Fantasy 13 cast annoying as hell (minus Lightning) but that doesn't mean they're good characters at all. 

Oh yeah, I know what you mean (hate Lightning too xD) but when I say "hate", I didn't mean "annoying", a -er- "stronger hate"? o_o Like "Aaargh you don't see that not every mage are like thsi GODDAMMIT"