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[AgitatedLemon]

Abispa wrote...

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I'll admit, I chuckled.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:35 .

[Labrev]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

ElectricZ wrote...

A big complaint I 've seen about Mass Effect fan works or even when discussing the heroes of the story is how often characters are out of character.

That's because most fans don't understand most of the characters, or sometimes any of them. And that's not limited to squadmates.

Jacob
Likes: Miranda, Shepard, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi

Yeah, I can just tell by the way he always looks for an excuse to end every conversation you try to have with him (erm, I should get back to my duties now, bye bye!) that he really likes Shepard.

Like everyone else does when you try to talke to them more than once in a row.

Nope, in his regular conversations. Whereas with every other squadmate, conversations only end once Shepard says "Goodbye" ... Jacob OTOH is always eagerly dismissing himself. He always "has to get back to his duties" or whatever BS reason (Miranda as second-in-command can spare time, why can't he?).

[PrinceLionheart]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

ElectricZ wrote...

A big complaint I 've seen about Mass Effect fan works or even when discussing the heroes of the story is how often characters are out of character.

That's because most fans don't understand most of the characters, or sometimes any of them. And that's not limited to squadmates.

Jacob
Likes: Miranda, Shepard, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi

Yeah, I can just tell by the way he always looks for an excuse to end every conversation you try to have with him (erm, I should get back to my duties now, bye bye!) that he really likes Shepard.

Like everyone else does when you try to talke to them more than once in a row.

Nope, in his regular conversations. Whereas with every other squadmate, conversations only end once Shepard says "Goodbye" ... Jacob OTOH is always eagerly dismissing himself. He always "has to get back to his duties" or whatever BS reason (Miranda as second-in-command can spare time, why can't he?).

I've read a lot of complaints about this personality, but that has got to be the most thin-skinned reaction I've read. Yes, god forbid Jacob ends a conversation by saying he has to get back to work.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .

[Chewin]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
I've read a lot of complaints about this personality, but that has got to be the most thin-skinned reaction I've read. Yes, god forbid Jacob ends a conversation by saying he has to get back to work.

Well you know, some people like to have the last word.

[ElectricZ]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Nope, in his regular conversations. Whereas with every other squadmate, conversations only end once Shepard says "Goodbye" ... Jacob OTOH is always eagerly dismissing himself. He always "has to get back to his duties" or whatever BS reason (Miranda as second-in-command can spare time, why can't he?).

Jacob's definitely a fan of Shep from the start for everything that happened in ME1, but you're right, he's super reserved, especially at the start, "not big on pushing these things." So from the standpoint of early on in the game he probably "respects" Shepard more than he "likes" him.

[Labrev]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I've read a lot of complaints about this personality, but that has got to be the most thin-skinned reaction I've read. Yes, god forbid Jacob ends a conversation by saying he has to get back to work.

And that's a load of crap. If his excuse is that he's "working" on something too important to build rapport with his own commander, that work better be something worthwhile and actually important. As is, it's completely obscure and mysterious. Again, Miranda has a more important role than he does and she spares time.

The real kick in the nuts is that he works in the Armory, and yet, the weapons selection available to Shepard is slim pickings and he/she has to rely on picking half of them up on missions to get his/her hands on them.

It's especially lame when he himself says something about "soldiers like you and I know how important trust is, haven't seen it on a Cerberus ship." Well, empathy requires personal involvement, Jacob. What little he does converse with Shepard is completely shallow and meaningless stuff. Seriously, only thing I learn about Jacob over the course of the game is that thing with his dad, and that because I was there first-hand.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 02 janvier 2012 - 08:09 .

[ADLegend21]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think Jack hates Jacob just because he's in Cerberus (she doesn't hate Shepard for it).

I also don't see that Jacob hates Thane or Jack...perhaps tolerates is better.

I also wouldn't say that Tali hates anyone. She tolerates the Cerberus crew and Legion.

This. I also don't think Jacob would hate legion after hearing that the Geth were split in two and that one part of the geth served sovereign while the other rejected it.

[jlb524]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I also don't see that Jacob hates Thane or Jack...perhaps tolerates is better.

Actually, after Thane's recruitment mission, Jacob is unusually hostile to him when welcoming him on the Normandy. If questioned about his hostility by Shepard he explains that he doesn't like Mercenaries, and seems to show general disapproval of Thane's inclusion on the Suicide Mission.

He definitely doesn't like Thane (hell, Thane might be his least favorite person on the ship).

I wouldn't say he hates him though...I don't think Jacob would 'accidently' kill Thane if he could, for instance.

[Ryzaki]

I don't see Jacob as the type to "accidentally" kill anyone.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 janvier 2012 - 08:37 .

[ElectricZ]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think Jack hates Jacob just because he's in Cerberus (she doesn't hate Shepard for it).

I also don't see that Jacob hates Thane or Jack...perhaps tolerates is better.

I also wouldn't say that Tali hates anyone. She tolerates the Cerberus crew and Legion.

This. I also don't think Jacob would hate legion after hearing that the Geth were split in two and that one part of the geth served sovereign while the other rejected it.

Undoubtedly, after the crew gets to know one another their attitudes change. That would happen with any group that lives and fights alongside one another. But I'm  talking about at the start of the game, before any loyalty missions have been performed.

If it pleases the court, Exhibits A and B:

Tali's views on Cerberus:
"I assumed you were undercover, Shepard. Maybe even planning to blow Cerberus up. If that's the case, I'll loan you a grenade."

Jacob's View on Legion: (about 2:50 in)
"I saw enough of these things on Eden Prime. Space it."

Modifié par ElectricZ, 02 janvier 2012 - 08:42 .

[android654]

I don't see how you could build a consensus of whom Tali and Garrus like in ME2 since they both have their introduction conversations, and their relationship conversation and that's it.

[pmac_tk421]

Miranda hates Jack.

[ElectricZ]

android654 wrote...

I don't see how you could build a consensus of whom Tali and Garrus like in ME2 since they both have their introduction conversations, and their relationship conversation and that's it.

When you think about it, though, that's what these character discussion boards are all about... a bunch of people trying to expand on what their favorite characters are thinking and doing outside of the media in which they were created. It's what fans do. And if whatever the actual creators isn't enough, we come up with our own stuff to fill in the blanks.

Now I'm not stting out to create the One True Way and by Mass Effect's nature it would be impossible to do. But I am trying to come up with a base reference point, though, and have some blanks filled in by people who did or saw something different in their playthroughs.

Also, because I think it's fun. Though it doesn't seem that everyone agrees.

[jeweledleah]

jeremy719 wrote...

Vega is an interesting one to speculate on.

I can't see him and Alenko getting on, Kaidan is too stiff, formal.
Ash on the other hand I think would be a different story.

Keyword: speculate.

he's not that stiff and formal.  he has friends and thinks Flux is a good place to unwind, he makes deadpan jokes that are unfortunately lost to femshep conversations only (I just follow standard procedure, salute anything you cannot eat or kill) and/or get covered up by other character (like his extranet fetish site comment about Benezia or "its always good to RTFM" etc).  he just tries to be professional, when on dute.  doesn't always manage, but he tries  

I actualy think he and Vega could be great friends.

and Ash, well... she's pretty outgoing and fun loving, so yeah, she and Vega would get along, it's just going to be a different dynamic.

as for jacob.. he had up close and personal encounters with assasins, about as up close and personal as the geth on Eden prime.  so yeah, he doesn't like Thane (and probably Zaeed) due to their profession, but I'm sure he and Thane could get along much better after a while, as Thane actualy has his own code of honor that he strictly adheres to.  not so much with Zaeed though.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:22 .

[spirosz]

ElectricZ wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

I like this idea, but this is going to turn into another "What, that's not how my favourite character thinks/works!" or some other fan favourite thing.  About Jack, I don't think she actually hates anyone of the crew, not even Miranda, especially after the events of ME2. Its more of, if you bother me, I'll **** you up, but otherwise just leave me be. At least, that's the vibe I get, she obviously doesn't have to trust anyone, but that doesn't necessarily relate to the term hate, since that's a strong word to be thrown around.

Could be I got Jack pegged wrong, too... But I still think at the start her blind hatred of Cerberus would mean she'd put a bullet in Jacob's back if she had a chance.

As for this turning into a subjective my character thread, eh... so be it. If it doesn't we might get some decent discussion on it. If it does, well, that's the internet for ya. We tried.

I think she would put a bullet to someone's face, not their back.  

[nitefyre410]

spiros9110 wrote...

ElectricZ wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

I like this idea, but this is going to turn into another "What, that's not how my favourite character thinks/works!" or some other fan favourite thing.  About Jack, I don't think she actually hates anyone of the crew, not even Miranda, especially after the events of ME2. Its more of, if you bother me, I'll **** you up, but otherwise just leave me be. At least, that's the vibe I get, she obviously doesn't have to trust anyone, but that doesn't necessarily relate to the term hate, since that's a strong word to be thrown around.

Could be I got Jack pegged wrong, too... But I still think at the start her blind hatred of Cerberus would mean she'd put a bullet in Jacob's back if she had a chance.

As for this turning into a subjective my character thread, eh... so be it. If it doesn't we might get some decent discussion on it. If it does, well, that's the internet for ya. We tried.

I think she would put a bullet to someone's face, not their back.  

 

For her if this was Jacob she might have a better chance with the back - you don't get  to be a Alliance Cousier and Cerberus Operator working along  T.I.M's right hand by being some push over and not being able to hold you own in fight or in eight were the odds might be against you.

Don't let Jack's gusto fool you she is bad ass but she ain't stupid.  Thats why she sent went after Miranda instead of Jacob  but then the whole Jack/ Miranda was so mind numbingly stupid on some many levels  IMO  that is goes beyond all reason.

[spirosz]

@nite

I wasn't specifically relating to Jacob, just in general. From my view, Jack would be straight up and put a dome through a person's head, she doesn't seem like a "backstabber".

[spirosz]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

TL;DR:

Kasumi Rocks.

Everyone ROCKS! 

[Silver77nz]

As a female talking to Jacob I got really embarrased. It was hard for me to talk to him cause I felt he was going to file a sexual harrassment complaint against me. I don't know why Femshep voice had to sound like a cougar in heat with only him. So unfortunately I didn't get to know him well due to how uncomfortable I felt.

Jacob seemed uncomfortable with Thane and Legion the most. Later on he seemed to calm down. Jack and Miranda definately didn't trust one another and same with Legion and Tali.

[PrinceLionheart]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

And that's a load of crap. If his excuse is that he's "working" on something too important to build rapport with his own commander, that work better be something worthwhile and actually important. As is, it's completely obscure and mysterious. Again, Miranda has a more important role than he does and she spares time.

So the basis of your argument is you're blaming a gameplay design on Jacob being hostile. I'm sorry, but if anything is a loard of crap, it's your current reasoning. If you want to talk to Jacob, he talks to you. Right now your whining over the fact that he'll end a conversation when it's done. Something that every squadmember does. Your singling out Jacob as being hostile for it is stupid.

The real kick in the nuts is that he works in the Armory, and yet, the weapons selection available to Shepard is slim pickings and he/she has to rely on picking half of them up on missions to get his/her hands on them.

Your point?

It's especially lame when he himself says something about "soldiers like you and I know how important trust is, haven't seen it on a Cerberus ship." Well, empathy requires personal involvement, Jacob. What little he does converse with Shepard is completely shallow and meaningless stuff. Seriously, only thing I learn about Jacob over the course of the game is that thing with his dad, and that because I was there first-hand.

So your complaining about him not baring his soul? News alert, Samara doesn't either. Nor does Mordin. Nor does Grunt. I can understand wanting him to open up more if you were looking to romance him, but Jacob already filled you in on his background, how he joint Cerberus, wanting to hangout with you and get drunk after the suicide mission is over. In all honesty, he tells your more than Garrus, who spends the entire game angsty about his dead crew and talking about his reach.

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

As a female talking to Jacob I
got really embarrased. It was hard for me to talk to him cause I felt he
was going to file a sexual harrassment complaint against me. I don't
know why Femshep voice had to sound like a cougar in heat with only him.
So unfortunately I didn't get to know him well due to how uncomfortable
I felt.

Fair enough. Jacob didn't have the best written romance. That much I can respect when people complain about it. It's this "Jacob wuz mean to me" crap that leaves me scratching my head.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:29 .

[AlphaDormante]

ElectricZ wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Well Garrus didn't want Miranda to
lead the fire team and even said that no one trusts her so I wouldn't
say that Garrus respects Miranda.

True, but  comes on at the end of the suicide mission, and only if Jack is not around to voice her opinion. Otherwise his only comment on any of the Cerberus crew is they get along fine and that he appreciates that they seem to give him props for being part of the crew that took down Sovereign. 

Actually, that isn't quite true. During the SM briefing, Garrus stands next to Jack and can be seen when the camera focuses on her. When she objects to Miranda leading the fire team, Garrus shakes his head in agreement (here at 2:05), indicating that he disapproves of the idea whether or not Jack is around to say it. It's also worth noting that the headshake isn't a copy/paste animation, either; if Garrus is the one who objects, Grunt is standing next to him, and doesn't react at all.