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[shinobi602]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

So everyday Average Joe is more of a fan than someone willing to go out of their way to pay the extra money?

Nope, never said who is "more" of a fan, but which is a larger majority of their fanbase. As in, much much larger in number.

[hotdogbsg]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Agreed, this would suffice, the rest of it I can take it or leave it, I'm not too fussed about that.

Have BW acknowledged this as a possibility? Surely they don't believe the bonus conent is worth £30 or $45

Has it even been mentioned much on here? I was shocked when checking the price and the price comparison.

Could be worse - the Austrlian price for the CE is about £85.

That is insane. 

[double02]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Welp, good on ya Bioware for screwing over a huge majority of your fans. Props to you.

You're the majority of BioWare's fans?

People who will buy a regular version instead of collector's? Yea I'd say so.

So everyday Average Joe is more of a fan than someone willing to go out of their way to pay the extra money?

I believe he means the majority of ME fans will buy the standard edition instead of the CE.

[billy the squid]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Agreed, this would suffice, the rest of it I can take it or leave it, I'm not too fussed about that.

Have BW acknowledged this as a possibility? Surely they don't believe the bonus conent is worth £30 or $45

Has it even been mentioned much on here? I was shocked when checking the price and the price comparison.

Priestly destroyer of threads stated that they weren't planning on releasing the DLC outside the CE, for the moment at least.
 
But he was unclear as to whether he was refering to the DLC character or DLC equipment, whether it would be a seperate payment required and not included in the standard edition, or if it would simply not be released at all.

[AgitatedLemon]

double02 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Welp, good on ya Bioware for screwing over a huge majority of your fans. Props to you.

You're the majority of BioWare's fans?

People who will buy a regular version instead of collector's? Yea I'd say so.

So everyday Average Joe is more of a fan than someone willing to go out of their way to pay the extra money?

I believe he means the majority of ME fans will buy the standard edition instead of the CE.

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

[C9316]

Chances are they are just gonna release this DLC anyway, regardless of how many bought the CE edition. Heavens to betsy if people who didn't buy CE knowing this was the only way to get this DLC at the time feel cheated...

[Wulfram]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The story is exactly the same regardless of whether you have the character. You just get a few extra lines of dialogue and some good conversations with it, but it is entirely inconsequencial.

You could say the same thing about Wrex, Leliana or Fenris.  Yet they are still part of the game, the absence of which would render it incomplete.

Salami slicing a bit off the game and selling it as DLC may be slightly better than charging £40 for it as part of the Collectors edition, but it is still unacceptable to me, and I will not be buying the game on release if this is the case. 

I remember when they were telling us that Shale was all a happy accident.  When hindsight shows clearly that it was part of a strategy to make people accept that they weren't entitled to the whole game without paying extra.  So I'm not particularly inclined to trust on this matter.

[Candidate 88766]

Wulfram wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The story is exactly the same regardless of whether you have the character. You just get a few extra lines of dialogue and some good conversations with it, but it is entirely inconsequencial.

You could say the same thing about Wrex, Leliana or Fenris.  Yet they are still part of the game, the absence of which would render it incomplete.

Salami slicing a bit off the game and selling it as DLC may be slightly better than charging £40 for it as part of the Collectors edition, but it is still unacceptable to me, and I will not be buying the game on release if this is the case. 

I remember when they were telling us that Shale was all a happy accident.  When hindsight shows clearly that it was part of a strategy to make people accept that they weren't entitled to the whole game without paying extra.  So I'm not particularly inclined to trust on this matter.

Wrex has a role in the plot - in ME1 he has a connection to Saren, and in ME2 he is attempting to unite the Krogan. His death impacts the story in both ME2 and ME3.

The DLC character, on the other hand, doesn't change the plot in any way. 

And I still maintain that its not a case of cutting somethingoff the game, but instead adding something else onto it, but I don't imagine we will agree.

And you're willing to miss out on like a 30 hour game because of a few lines of dialogue thats your business.

[shinobi602]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

[C9316]

So it's been confirmed Prothean == DLC Squadmate? Since when?

[Wulfram]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

And you're willing to miss out on like a 30 hour game because of a few lines of dialogue thats your business.

Miss, no.  Wait until it's cheaper, yes.  I can probably get it at christmas for £10, not including inevitably ludicrously overpriced DLC.

Buying a computer game at release price is always stupid.  A stupidity I'm willing to commit for Bioware, because I really like their games.  But it's not worth it if it's going to be accompanied by a feeling of being ripped off, or of having an incomplete game.

[AgitatedLemon]

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

[Candidate 88766]

Wulfram wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

And you're willing to miss out on like a 30 hour game because of a few lines of dialogue thats your business.

Miss, no.  Wait until it's cheaper, yes.  I can probably get it at christmas for £10, not including inevitably ludicrously overpriced DLC.

Buying a computer game at release price is always stupid.  A stupidity I'm willing to commit for Bioware, because I really like their games.  But it's not worth it if it's going to be accompanied by a feeling of being ripped off, or of having an incomplete game.

You consider £40 for at least 30 hours to be a rip-off? 

Wow. 

Chances are you're gonna play it at least twice, so even on the standard edition you're looking at like 60 hours of enjoyment for £40. I've had nights out that have cost more than £40.

You might as well complain that it isn't complete until every bit of DLC has been released.

[Candidate 88766]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

Its not Bioware's fault either. They can't help the cost or availability of the CE. They wanted to give a little extra to those people willing to pay a little more at release.

[shinobi602]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

Its not Bioware's fault either. They can't help the cost or availability of the CE. They wanted to give a little extra to those people willing to pay a little more at release.

Thus the point that they should make it available for purchase as separate DLC for those who miss out, which isn't THEIR fault either.

[Chromie]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

Its not Bioware's fault either. They can't help the cost or availability of the CE. They wanted to give a little extra to those people willing to pay a little more at release.

Or wait for it! Release the squadmate for free.

[hotdogbsg]

Ringo12 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

Its not Bioware's fault either. They can't help the cost or availability of the CE. They wanted to give a little extra to those people willing to pay a little more at release.

Or wait for it! Release the squadmate for free.

I'd even pay a small amount to buy the new squadmate. Not £30 pound though.

Modifié par hotdogbsg, 04 janvier 2012 - 03:52 .

[billy the squid]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The story is exactly the same regardless of whether you have the character. You just get a few extra lines of dialogue and some good conversations with it, but it is entirely inconsequencial.

You could say the same thing about Wrex, Leliana or Fenris.  Yet they are still part of the game, the absence of which would render it incomplete.

Salami slicing a bit off the game and selling it as DLC may be slightly better than charging £40 for it as part of the Collectors edition, but it is still unacceptable to me, and I will not be buying the game on release if this is the case. 

I remember when they were telling us that Shale was all a happy accident.  When hindsight shows clearly that it was part of a strategy to make people accept that they weren't entitled to the whole game without paying extra.  So I'm not particularly inclined to trust on this matter.

Wrex has a role in the plot - in ME1 he has a connection to Saren, and in ME2 he is attempting to unite the Krogan. His death impacts the story in both ME2 and ME3.

The DLC character, on the other hand, doesn't change the plot in any way. 

And I still maintain that its not a case of cutting somethingoff the game, but instead adding something else onto it, but I don't imagine we will agree.

And you're willing to miss out on like a 30 hour game because of a few lines of dialogue thats your business.

What are you talking about?

He's complaining that the PC version is £30 and the CE for the PC is £70 for a character and a mission as I don't think he is too bothered by the other items and things which come with it. So it works out to £40 extra for just the character and a mission if he buys the CE.

Whether he wants the DLC free or is willing to pay for it is another matter entirely and the DLC stuff is usually a little overpriced and the price doesn't go down either.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ringo12 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm willing to partially chalk that up to the limited manufacture of CE's for games.

I know I've been late to pre-order for a lot of some of my favorites.

That makes it even worse. So many people will not be able to experience the Prothean squadmate, which should be a pretty significant part of the lore and story, finding a live Prothean...it ties in deeply with the plot...

A huge majority of fans won't even be able to experience that due to limited supply. What will you say to them? "Tough"?

Yes. The same thing I'd say to someone who lives in Australia with their outlandish prices.

It isn't my fault, so there's no need for a personal apology.

Its not Bioware's fault either. They can't help the cost or availability of the CE. They wanted to give a little extra to those people willing to pay a little more at release.

Or wait for it! Release the squadmate for free.

You know they'd actually be losing money if they really did this, right?

[ErichHartmann]

I personally believe CE content should remain exclusive.

[Wulfram]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
You consider £40 for at least 30 hours to be a rip-off? 

Wow. 

Chances are you're gonna play it at least twice, so even on the standard edition you're looking at like 60 hours of enjoyment for £40. I've had nights out that have cost more than £40.

I think that there is an established price range for computer games, and that having to pay for the DLC would put ME3 well in excess of that price.  I also think that Bioware has acted dishonestly in the past about it's DLC policy, and is treating its customers with contempt, which makes me want to give them as little of my money as is practical.  And if we keep swallowing worse and worse deals from Bioware, we'll keep getting less and less for our money.

The DA2 situation with Sebastian was unacceptable, though I swallowed it because I was able to get a good price on a pre order from Amazon.  But this is going too far.

(I nearly found myself quoting Picard's speech about the Borg.  I better take a short break from this thread.)

You might as well complain that it isn't complete until every bit of DLC has been released.

There is obviously a certain amount of ambiguity as to what constitutes a complete game.  But Day 1 character DLC falls extremely clearly on the side of being part of the game rather than extraneous to it.

[hotdogbsg]

ErichHartmann wrote...

I personally believe CE content should remain exclusive.

Doesn't seem fair on the fans who have to pay an extra $30 dollars for the same content.

[jcolt]

i'm shellin out extra cash for ce so exclusive content doesnt bother me but i dont really care about the artbook or patch is that kind of stuff worth anything later on down the road

[AgitatedLemon]

jcolt wrote...

i'm shellin out extra cash for ce so exclusive content doesnt bother me but i dont really care about the artbook or patch is that kind of stuff worth anything later on down the road

It's called the Collectors edition for a reason.

[AngryFrozenWater]

If I was to buy the CE and with that came exclusive content then I would want that to be really exclusive. You buy a CE because it is special. And that's part of it. If you want that content then buy the CE. It's like buying a BMW. If you want the Spirit of Ecstasy on its hood then you need to buy a Rolls instead.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 janvier 2012 - 04:15 .