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[Storm Farron]

it's an RPG. plain and simple

[tetrisblock4x1]

77bug wrote...

rpg= role playing game

In the ME games you play the role of comander sheperd. So yes its a rpg.

Joking?

[1136342t54_]

In Exile wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
So basically KOTOR 2 would have limited Sheps choices on Virmire?

What? No. I'm saying that KoTOR 2 railroaded the player in a bad way, by making the whole plot and decision making revolve around events there already fixed and thatu were told the result of later on, after actually having made a choice for a different reason.

Ah okay I see now. That was kind of the only fault with KOTOR 2 plot. While you have no idea of what you were as a jedi previously it is a pretty good way to roleplay but then again those choices you made before and what the council was like to you would later affect the way you play your character. While playing that type of character is nice I also like more predetermined characters that Bioware makes. DAO was less so but it made sense.

[Gatt9]

Storm Farron wrote...

it's an RPG. plain and simple

Actually,  at this stage,  it looks to be partially an RPG. 

An RPG is defined by having a Character whose success and failure is independent of your own.  This is what constitutes assuming the Role,  because you have to abstract your knowledge (Lack of it in most cases) from your Character's knowledge.

Shepherd is not a Character.  He cannot independently succeed or fail.  He is not good,  nor is he evil.  He is an extension of yourself,  he is an Avatar for you.  This is quite different from a role.

To illustrate (Using the movie Avatar)...

RPG - Jake enters the body of his nalthi,  and is able to use a bow.  Able to hunt,  able to fly,  able to speak the language.  Because he assumed the Role of a nalthi,  and the Role knows how to perform those actions.

Not RPG (An Avatar) - Jake enters the body of his nalthi,  and is unable to use a bow,  hunt,  or speak the language,  until JAKE learns how to do those things. 

An Avatar is an extension of self.  It is self-insertion.  An RPG is a dissassociation of self,  it is interacting through a Role that has knowledge you do not,  and cannot possess. 

ME3 is not an RPG,  not fully,  due to the true shooter aspects.  Shepherd cannot miss unless you miss.

ME3 does get bonus points for (theoretically) implementing choice and consequence.

@argothian

You realize you just defined Seven Cities of Gold,  Pirates!,  GTA,  Saint's Row,  and many other games as "RPG's" right?  Your arguement is so generic it basically makes Age of Empires an RPG. 

Freedom is not a component of an RPG,  though it is a desirable facet. 

[chunkyman]

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

[log1x_dr4g0n]

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

Well...you have anyone who has an xbox or a pc who has ME1, or would let you play it if you buy it?

[Savber100]

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

You have my sympathies. 


Well the PS3 version of ME2 allows you to make the choices of the the first game through an interactive comic so it's not a TOTAL loss. 

Yeah.......  You really don't have a PC? 

[nitefyre410]

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

Well...you have anyone who has an xbox or a pc who has ME1, or would let you play it if you buy it?

 


which is why it would be nice if the released ME 1 in the CE of the ME 3.

[AlanC9]

How good is your Mac? I've heard of people getting ME1 to work via Bootcamp. Haven't seen it done myself, though.

[log1x_dr4g0n]

nitefyre410 wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

Well...you have anyone who has an xbox or a pc who has ME1, or would let you play it if you buy it?

 


which is why it would be nice if the released ME 1 in the CE of the ME 3.

Yeah, but Microsoft probably won't allow it to be on the PS3. >_>

[nitefyre410]

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

Well...you have anyone who has an xbox or a pc who has ME1, or would let you play it if you buy it?

 


which is why it would be nice if the released ME 1 in the CE of the ME 3.

Yeah, but Microsoft probably won't allow it to be on the PS3. >_>

I know 

[Chris Priestly]

I think it depends on what you call an RPG, because you can argue about what the title represents. Not the game's title, but the title "RPG".

If we took a more broad title, like "Is Mass Effect 3 a video game" people would all say yes. Same if you said "Is Gone with the Wind a movie?" People would all say yes. Now, if you said "Is Gone with the Wind a Historical movie?" NOW you would get some discussion. Sure, GWtW takes place in the American Civil War, there is the burning of Atlanta, slavery, many historical elements, etc. However, it is not 100% historically accurate (not that it claims to be). So I think most people would say "Yes, Gone with the Wind is a Historical movie." Still, there would be those that would argue the point. They would say that the Scarlett character was not an accurate representation of women of the time, that there were inaccuracies and such. This however, depends on what these "hardcore" people call a Historical movie. Maybe they are basing their opinion on a documentary film instead of a fictional story, whatever it may be. To them, this hardcore group, they may not call it a Historical movie no matter how many other people say that it is.

Now, take the same principal to Mass Effect. Again, all would agree it is a video game. I think (or hope) most would say it is a pretty good series. Is it an RPG? That is where you'll get the discussion and disagreement. I can say that BioWare feels Mass Effect is an action RPG series. There are RPG elements in each game that RPG fans come to expect. The discussion is usually "Is there enough RPG in the games to be called an RPG". For me, as an RPG gamer, I think there are enough customization and dialog choices in teh games for me to call ithem RPGs. I can also see where some people who expect otehr features to be present to call a game an RPG would not call Mass Effect RPG. For me, the customization, the dialog, the choice, etc coupled with all the otehr elements and features in teh game, is enough for me to enjoy Mass Effect as a series as an action packed RPG.

In the end, it comes down to what YOU think of as an RPG. There isn't much point in arguing this, because it is subjective to the person experiencing it.

[felipejiraya]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it depends on what you call an RPG, because you can argue about what the title represents. Not the game's title, but the title "RPG".

If we took a more broad title, like "Is Mass Effect 3 a video game" people would all say yes. Same if you said "Is Gone with the Wind a movie?" People would all say yes. Now, if you said "Is Gone with the Wind a Historical movie?" NOW you would get some discussion. Sure, GWtW takes place in the American Civil War, there is the burning of Atlanta, slavery, many historical elements, etc. However, it is not 100% historically accurate (not that it claims to be). So I think most people would say "Yes, Gone with the Wind is a Historical movie." Still, there would be those that would argue the point. They would say that the Scarlett character was not an accurate representation of women of the time, that there were inaccuracies and such. This however, depends on what these "hardcore" people call a Historical movie. Maybe they are basing their opinion on a documentary film instead of a fictional story, whatever it may be. To them, this hardcore group, they may not call it a Historical movie no matter how many other people say that it is.

Now, take the same principal to Mass Effect. Again, all would agree it is a video game. I think (or hope) most would say it is a pretty good series. Is it an RPG? That is where you'll get the discussion and disagreement. I can say that BioWare feels Mass Effect is an action RPG series. There are RPG elements in each game that RPG fans come to expect. The discussion is usually "Is there enough RPG in the games to be called an RPG". For me, as an RPG gamer, I think there are enough customization and dialog choices in teh games for me to call ithem RPGs. I can also see where some people who expect otehr features to be present to call a game an RPG would not call Mass Effect RPG. For me, the customization, the dialog, the choice, etc coupled with all the otehr elements and features in teh game, is enough for me to enjoy Mass Effect as a series as an action packed RPG.

In the end, it comes down to what YOU think of as an RPG. There isn't much point in arguing this, because it is subjective to the person experiencing it.

/thread

[log1x_dr4g0n]

nitefyre410 wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Well, I'm a complete moron.

I'm a PS3 player, and I already knew ME2 was available on the PS3. This made me assume that ME1 was on the PS3 as well. I was going to get ME 1 and 2 on Amazon, only to learn that ME1 wasn't made for the PS3. Now I can't play them all if I wanted too. And my computer is a Mac, so no gaming on computers.

I am fail...

Well...you have anyone who has an xbox or a pc who has ME1, or would let you play it if you buy it?

 


which is why it would be nice if the released ME 1 in the CE of the ME 3.

Yeah, but Microsoft probably won't allow it to be on the PS3. >_>

I know 

I play on the xbox 360, and I wish the PS3 gamers would have the chance to play ME1 too. That comic doesn't do the game justice...it's also horrible. 9I tried it for the lulz, and it ended up glitching one of my save files...thinking it wasn't really there and headed straight to the comic. So I deleted the comic. :| )

[nitefyre410]

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

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I play on the xbox 360, and I wish the PS3 gamers would have the chance to play ME1 too. That comic doesn't do the game justice...it's also horrible. 9I tried it for the lulz, and it ended up glitching one of my save files...thinking it wasn't really there and headed straight to the comic. So I deleted the comic. :| )

 

yeah i play on the 360 too... it was one of the main reason i brough the 360... and the I get the Troll of the past gaming decade.

Ah "exclusive"  we have dispelled this myth.

[Yuqi]

Hmnn, this disscussion always ends up in an outright flame-war.

As someone who played the original Final Fantasy, and remembers the: OMG polygons no waii, PS1 era. Mass Effect is a good balance of both RPG and Action.( if it wasn't for the story and rpg mechanics; I wouldn't touch it.)

Overall I would equate Mass Effect to be at least 60% RPG.

Modifié par Yuqi, 04 janvier 2012 - 04:15 .

[Dr. Jacko]

Yuqi wrote...

Hmnn, this disscussion always ends up in an outright flame-war.

As someone who played the original Final Fantasy, and remembers the: OMG polygons no waii, PS1 era. Mass Effect is a good balance of both RPG and Action.( if it wasn't for the story and rpg mechanics; I wouldn't touch it.)

Overall I would equate Mass Effect to be at least 60% RPG.

Is it bad that I'm 17 and remember that era? I guess I can atrribute it to eidetic memory and gamer parents.

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

Remember314 wrote...

It might not have many "RPG elements," but its an RPG in the truest sense, meaning that you really do roleplay, the character is YOU, not someone else who's stats you can rearrange

This is exactly what it is.

That would imply zero player agency, which is not the case.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

Remember314 wrote...

It might not have many "RPG elements," but its an RPG in the truest sense, meaning that you really do roleplay, the character is YOU, not someone else who's stats you can rearrange

This is exactly what it is.

While the character isn't you it is Shepard but you can manipulate how Shepard responds to situations and opinion on certain groups and people. Even the way Shepard handles major decisions is up to the player. Remember314 isn't accurate but just saying its someone else who's stats you can rearrange is also not entirely accurate. 

Although I don't know why some people do insist on Shepard being yourself. The appeal of Mass effect was about making major choices and decisions that can in the long run affect the people around you or the galaxy as a whole.

[In Exile]

1136342t54 wrote...
Ah okay I see now. That was kind of the only fault with KOTOR 2 plot. While you have no idea of what you were as a jedi previously it is a pretty good way to roleplay but then again those choices you made before and what the council was like to you would later affect the way you play your character. While playing that type of character is nice I also like more predetermined characters that Bioware makes. DAO was less so but it made sense.

I like predetermined characters in general, because I feel that it makes for a better narrative. I think there should be significant elements of the player's background that are fixed anchors for the writers to latch on to, but each of which are sufficently variable to allow for the players to RP that character in different ways.

I think Shepard's background as written gets at this just fine. The problem is the writing. Not even the dialogue wheel per se - just the writing itself.

A great ME1 example (ME2, IMO, was far better at this) was with the Council after Eden Prime where no matter what you pick Shepard is frothing at the mouth, full on crazy about Saren being a traitor and the Council being wrong. There's just no room to disagree, and you'r enot given a reason why you should believe that.

That's a case of the writers overruling the player, and it has nothing to do with the dialogue wheel at all. It happens in DA:O all the time too, when it comes to talking about the Grey Wardens and getting stuck in I<3Wardens land.

[Shifty Assassin]

I would say Mass Effect 1 was an rpg while ME2 is an action-rpg leaning a bit more on action.