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[Genshie]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Enjoy it, I don't really care. Last time I checked, your personal enjoyment wasn't something that worried me. I'm saying the game's script is poor in quality, you can still enjoy it if you want.

 And that is the thing! You are only looking at the game from a script. You can't possibly enjoy something like this just from reading a script that is not even suppose be read like a book or play script. You just can't. You are assuming that from this script with text alone there is no way in hell that you can possibly enjoy this game.

[Dave of Canada]

See, ignorance is another issue. The script cannot be changed to the extent you seem to think it could, it was essentially written down in stone by the time it leaked. Considering voice work is already done, it won't change as much as your ignorance of it seems to think. It'll roughly be identical to the script, maybe a few cuts here or there.

[Lucy Glitter]

Genshie, a script leaked this close to release means most (if not all) plot points will be set in stone. Last-minute edits are mainly just changes in words and/or dialogue. I would know, this. Devs have done more than half of the game by now. Changing anything would be very stress-inducing, so they'd try not to.

That's also not the point. It's the point of ME3 (probably) screwing over two perfectly good and interesting features. I have no idea why you are arguing against this. Just because you never went renegade or sided with Cerberus, right? Well, then, this argument is not even for you. You aren't interested in that, so why are you here? Are you being the killjoy? IDEK.

edit: And seeming VW was completed last month, you can really only edit things out. So, you are saying they would edit out the entire renegade/cerberus plot points, yeah? That's the answer, obviously. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Genshie wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...
Yes, it is your fault. You chose to read it. You are also choosing to ASSUME what the final contents will be with an incomplete product. And you are assuming how the game is being handled before the actual release. See here is the thing nothing that you script supporters have said is beyond the realm of assumption since you can't possibly know at this point in time how the final product will be to its fullest extent.

Oh please, the 18k page file is without a doubt 95-98% of the product we'll be getting come March.

Cerberus had their reasons in 2, and although I did not agree with them personally, I can see how some people can and would side with them. It's perfectly reasonable to get angry at developers (who made the decisions on how to execute Cerberus and renegade options in 3) for turning two big and interesting elements of a previous installment into two-dimensional story points that you would see in some stupid 50s kids radio show. 

 But in the end you don't know this is 100% correct or not. You are just assuming it is a 100% real and you have no idea how it will be presented except beyond text.

A bunch of polygons and some melodramatic Jack Wall Clint Mansell tunes don't suddenly change the entire contents of the script. They can dress it up however they want, but the quality of the script stays the same.

squee365 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm not saying you're all idiots for liking it.

Sure as hell seems like it from you, kaiser, and others.

Far from it; it's the likes of SMW, Arcian, HYR and Cheez that unprovokedly call people who don't agree with them idiots, arrogant bastards and whatnot.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[squee365]

I enjoy how people are divided on the BSN between Cerberus and Alliance...Just like what ME3's plot/setting is about...war between Cerberus and alliance...wait a minute, was this community reaction intentional? I need some time to think about this...


EDIT: nevermind. Bioware isn't Valve.

Modifié par squee365, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[Genshie]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...



That's also not the point. It's the point of ME3 (probably) screwing over two perfectly good and interesting features. I have no idea why you are arguing against this. Just because you never went renegade or sided with Cerberus, right? Well, then, this argument is not even for you. You aren't interested in that, so why are you here? Are you being the killjoy? IDEK.

 Excuse me, I beaten ME2 15+ plus times all with different results (who died, who was the L.I., what class, did I agree or disagree), I just recently got an Xbox 360 and doing a complete playthrough of ME1 (which I just beat yesterday as a Renegade and now working on the transfer to 2) to ME3. I think I know all about supporting Cerberus or not. And once again you are assuming.  This is getting offtopic and I if you like I can give my gamer tag for PS3 and Xbox for you if you like to see if I have or haven't done certain things yet in pm.

[Lucy Glitter]

squee365 wrote...

I enjoy how people are divided on the BSN between Cerberus and Alliance...Just like what ME3's plot/setting is about...war between Cerberus and alliance...wait a minute, was this community reaction intentional? I need some time to think about this...

It's completely fair to agree and disagree on the two factions. From what I understand, this is not about Alliance or Cerberus being the better faction to side with. It's about the script completely changing Cerberus into some group of eeee-evil masterminds in an eeee-evil base who kick puppies and torture people because they are eeee-evil. 

Also making every renegade choice into a terrible decision that will make you villified amongst everyone. 

Now, do you get it?

[squee365]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

squee365 wrote...

I enjoy how people are divided on the BSN between Cerberus and Alliance...Just like what ME3's plot/setting is about...war between Cerberus and alliance...wait a minute, was this community reaction intentional? I need some time to think about this...

It's completely fair to agree and disagree on the two factions. From what I understand, this is not about Alliance or Cerberus being the better faction to side with. It's about the script completely changing Cerberus into some group of eeee-evil masterminds in an eeee-evil base who kick puppies and torture people because they are eeee-evil. 

Also making every renegade choice into a terrible decision that will make you villified amongst everyone. 

Now, do you get it?

Cheeze and crackers, lighten up. I was having a fake epiphany, it was a joke. 

[Dave of Canada]

Dunno, Lucy. I'd rather see that ingame before judging it. I mean, it's unfair to only read about the consequences I'll receive.

[angry_peon]

I'd really like to see the reactions, if too much Renegade/Cerberus choices meant losing the game and seeing the galaxy getting consumed by the Reapers.
I mean, hey that way those choices would have a drastically different outcome!
Think about it... perhaps Bioware could not find plausible explainations how alienating and wiping out any potential ally (save the obviously evil/backstabbing one) could possibly lead to a happy ending, and instead decided to create little deus ex machinas to take each of those allies spaces, so that doing needlessly violent, stupid and genocidal stuff "somehow" not doomed the whole galaxy.
(Come on: Rachni, Geth, reemerging Krogans + a healthy council alliance vs. ... a not so healthy council alliance with slightly more powerful human military - hardly the same strength)
Their fault for giving the player so much potenitally damaging stuff to do in the first place, I'd say.

Modifié par Varhjhin, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .

[Seboist]

It's not just an issue of Cerberus turned evulz either but them being turned into a reaper alied superpower that completely contradicts the established lore and the Arrival plot buildup of the Batarians being the major non-reaper enemy in ME3.

[squee365]

I personally love the subplot of cerberus manipulating Shepard to be a puppet, but hey its not for everyone.

[Lucy Glitter]

Genshie wrote...
 Excuse me, I beaten ME2 15+ plus times all with different results (who died, who was the L.I., what class, did I agree or disagree), I just recently got an Xbox 360 and doing a complete playthrough of ME1 (which I just beat yesterday as a Renegade and now working on the transfer to 2) to ME3. I think I know all about supporting Cerberus or not. And once again you are assuming.  This is getting offtopic and I if you like I can give my gamer tag for PS3 and Xbox for you if you like to see if I have or haven't done certain things yet in pm.

Why would I want to see your gamertags? Why do I care if you have beaten it 15 times? 

So you don't like Cerberus? Or do you? I don't understand your opinions on this at all. I've said why people are getting upset, i've also said that the script would be mostly concrete by now and not up for many edits. Again, why are you here? Your points are completely unclear.

[angry_peon]

I saw it coming, somehow. Bioware are morally sound guys. Creating a speciest organisation with terrorist elements, I knew from the get go what was to be expected from them.
The events of Mass Effect 2 made the matter a little blurry, but (imo) in the end the TIM showes his true colors again, and I was 100% certain he would turn out to be evil in ME3.
That this surpises you, says more about yourself than it does about Biowares writing capabilities.

[Chuvvy]

Seboist wrote...

It's not just an issue of Cerberus turned evulz either but them being turned into a reaper alied superpower that completely contradicts the established lore and the Arrival plot buildup of the Batarians being the major non-reaper enemy in ME3.

Cerberus is running around ****ing up the galaxy, even though in ME2 it's established that they used most of their funds to Rebuild Shepard and the Normandy, and they only had four cells, three of which got destroyed by the end of ME2. The main non reaper enemy should totally be the Batarians.

Modifié par Slidell505, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:25 .

[squee365]

 I love Cerberus....









being the main Villain in ME3:devil:

[Lucy Glitter]

Last I checked, the Mass Effect universe was not black and white. There are always reasons that are both understandable and deplorable for every group. It's like that thing called real life, you know?

[Dave of Canada]

Indoctrination is poor writing, do I need to see that ingame too or is the script finally acceptable?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:26 .

[Genshie]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Genshie wrote...
 Excuse me, I beaten ME2 15+ plus times all with different results (who died, who was the L.I., what class, did I agree or disagree), I just recently got an Xbox 360 and doing a complete playthrough of ME1 (which I just beat yesterday as a Renegade and now working on the transfer to 2) to ME3. I think I know all about supporting Cerberus or not. And once again you are assuming.  This is getting offtopic and I if you like I can give my gamer tag for PS3 and Xbox for you if you like to see if I have or haven't done certain things yet in pm.

Why would I want to see your gamertags? Why do I care if you have beaten it 15 times? 

So you don't like Cerberus? Or do you? I don't understand your opinions on this at all. I've said why people are getting upset, i've also said that the script would be mostly concrete by now and not up for many edits. Again, why are you here? Your points are completely unclear.

Depends on the playthrough. I want to see everything so that is why I played it so many times. I am roleplaying and that is what kinda do in a rpg like game. What is so hard to comprehend? I can see both reasons for supporting and not supporting Cerebus. In the end it depends on the type of Shepard I am playing as. And once again we are going offtopic. Why should it matter if I support or not support Cerberus? I am actually playing the game because I enjoy the story and gameplay as a whole. And if Bioware wants to end it in a certain way that is their choice and I am just there to direct it with however amount of control I am given to do so. I am there for the ride.

Modifié par Genshie, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[Seboist]

Slidell505 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's not just an issue of Cerberus turned evulz either but them being turned into a reaper alied superpower that completely contradicts the established lore and the Arrival plot buildup of the Batarians being the major non-reaper enemy in ME3.

Cerberus is running around ****ing up the galaxy, even though in ME2 it's established that they used most of their funds to Rebuild Shepard and the Normandy, and they only had four cells, three of which got destroyed by the end of ME2. The main non reaper enemy should totally be the Batarians.

Yeah and then in the Retribution novel they almost get wiped out by the Turians and need freakin Aria to do their dirty work. Now in ME3 with the Reapers  hammering Earth and destroying most of the Alliance military you'd think they'd even be further weaken with the complete loss of their benefactors there but nope, now Cerberus has space fleets, atlas mechs and legions of well equipped commados armed to the teeth.

I feel completely ripped off for buying Arrival. It just turned out to be a 7 dollar excuse for Shepard to start at Earth and nothing more.

[AtreiyaN7]

@GodWood: Can't quote all that atm, but basically, I've read several pages of what amounts to sniping between certain parties who clearly have some sort of animosity towards each other. The OP's question was answered a while back in my opinion, and I'm pretty sure that the last few pages have involved a lot of sniping between certain persons (aka the troll/fanboy thing, etc.) unless I was imagining it.

I don't think I had any sort of negative skew based on what I was reading - heh. I actually did say that those who read the script could be right (and that you could be wrong too of course). Right now, there's no way to know if it was a finalized version of the script that definitively proves that every choice we've made doesn't matter. Therefore, those who believe it might not have shown everything have an equally valid viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. *shrug* Oh, and my bad on misinterpreting, but given the way this thread has been going, I rather thought you were including me with the name-calling folks. To be fair, both sides should probably quit it with the troll/fanboy thing.

EDIT: Time-wise, I don't remember the date of the leak and haven't looked at it, so Lucy & co. could be right about it being finalized. Thank God this is going gold relatively soon - then the choice/no choice issue can finally be settled.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[Pleasureslave]

Mass Effect 1 - Renegade options were promotes as "You will save galaxy no matter what but there's always alternative to Goody Two-Shoes approach"
Mass Effect 2 - Renegade options mostly interrupts that allow you to punch\\kill\\threat during conversations.
Mass Effect 3 - Renegade is supposed to be a path to bad end at worst case, and human domination in best case.
But no matter what - Terra Firma is an enemy, Cerberus is an enemy, all pro-human decisions are wasted as "wrong" ones.
I can deal with Cerberus-to-enemy plot, which is nice one, but after reading script and trying to find major "impact" points, I'm disappointed. Especially for Jack.

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

It's not just an issue of Cerberus turned evulz either but them being turned into a reaper alied superpower that completely contradicts the established lore and the Arrival plot buildup of the Batarians being the major non-reaper enemy in ME3.

Why is everyone on this "Shoulda oughta been the batarians" kick?  'Cause I thought the main take-away from Arrival on that score was that the batarians were screwed.

[Lucy Glitter]

I'm out. You guys obviously can't even dare to see past PURE EBIL NECROMANCER and PURE GOOD PALADIN or some crud. I don't know how Dave and Kaiser stick to it. I've never been faced with such wtfery before on the forums, and that's saying something.

[Genshie]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...



I don't think I had any sort of negative skew based on what I was reading - heh. I actually did say that those who read the script could be right (and that you could be wrong too of course). Right now, there's no way to know if it was a finalized version of the script that definitively proves that every choice we've made doesn't matter. Therefore, those who believe it might not have shown everything have an equally valid viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. *shrug* Oh, and my bad on misinterpreting, but given the way this thread has been going, I rather thought you were including me with the name-calling folks. To be fair, both sides should probably quit it with the troll/fanboy thing.

You know what is funny is that Godwood was one of the first people to actually throw the LOL Fanboy crap around. Heaven forbid that he gets the same crap thrown back at him. Alas, like I said many times over all we can really do is assume and that neither party knows for certain until the final product is released.

Modifié par Genshie, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:35 .