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[Genshie]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I'm out. You guys obviously can't even dare to see past PURE EBIL NECROMANCER and PURE GOOD PALADIN or some crud. I don't know how Dave and Kaiser stick to it. I've never been faced with such wtfery before on the forums, and that's saying something.

 I am sorry that you can't see beyond the context of plain text and assumptions. I don't understand how you can assume it will be bad from this script alone.

Modifié par Genshie, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:37 .

[squee365]

Pardon my questioning


But which leaked script is everyone talking about?...theres more than 1...

[Kaiser Shepard]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Last I checked, the Mass Effect universe was not black and white. There are always reasons that are both understandable and deplorable for every group. It's like that thing called real life, you know?

Bioware and moral greyness? Surely you jest!

The sad thing is, the same studio that almost a decade ago gave us Kotor now not only fails to surpass their previous product (a Star Wars videogame of all things!) in moral greyness, but also when it comes to the actual results of your decisions, with Kotor having a somewhat differing endgame based on your choice. All that after at least half a decade's worth on this series.

Whatever happened to Bioware's ambition? Because seriously, Codex terms such as "popamole" would not feel out of place now.

[squee365]

Mass Effect wasn't ambitious? What? lol

[Genshie]

squee365 wrote...

Mass Effect wasn't ambitious? What? lol

 That is an understatement if I have ever heard one. The fact that they are adding multiplayer co-op is rather ambitious as well. The very core is ambitious.

[Seboist]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's not just an issue of Cerberus turned evulz either but them being turned into a reaper alied superpower that completely contradicts the established lore and the Arrival plot buildup of the Batarians being the major non-reaper enemy in ME3.

Why is everyone on this "Shoulda oughta been the batarians" kick?  'Cause I thought the main take-away from Arrival on that score was that the batarians were screwed.

The destruction of the Bakak system and it's inhabitants would have been the casus belli for a Batarian-Reaper alliance against humans and the rest of the council races. It's not like the Batarians didn't have major grievences before that either.

Sovereign was shown to be able to make willing allies with Saren, Heretic Geth, Krogans and even some Asari. Heck, even Harbinger made allies with the Shadow Broker and the various merc groups. So, why couldn't they recruit the Hegemony to their cause? An intact Batarian military is more useful to them than a bunch of blubbering idiot husks.

Modifié par Seboist, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[squee365]

I think Kaiser thinks Ambition = what the fans wanted and deserve

Modifié par squee365, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

squee365 wrote...

Mass Effect wasn't ambitious? What? lol

Learn to read, I asked what happened to it, not that ME didn't start as ambitious: A trilogy of hybrid RPG/TPS games in which your choices would over the course of the series affect not only the course of the story but the entire universe as well.

And we're obviously taking about the more recent script here, not the 80-ish page long draft that got leaked first.

[AtreiyaN7]

Genshie wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I don't think I had any sort of negative skew based on what I was reading - heh. I actually did say that those who read the script could be right (and that you could be wrong too of course). Right now, there's no way to know if it was a finalized version of the script that definitively proves that every choice we've made doesn't matter. Therefore, those who believe it might not have shown everything have an equally valid viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. *shrug* Oh, and my bad on misinterpreting, but given the way this thread has been going, I rather thought you were including me with the name-calling folks. To be fair, both sides should probably quit it with the troll/fanboy thing.

You know what is funny is that Godwood was one of the first people to actually through the LOL Fanboy crap around. Heaven forbid that he gets the same crap thrown back at him. Alas, like I said many times over all we can really do is assume and that neither party knows for certain until the final product is released.

All I know is that Jinstar started that ridiculous BDF thing - quite annoying that. In any case, I'm sleeping, and my interest in this is at an end. I think someone did post a spoiler earlier (not Dave's joke but something way before that) which I scrolled past as fast as I could. Bad enough that I accidentally saw what seemed like details about one of the possible endngs.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:41 .

[squee365]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Mass Effect wasn't ambitious? What? lol

Learn to read, I asked what happened to it, not that ME didn't start as ambitious: A trilogy of hybrid RPG/TPS games in which your choices would over the course of the series affect not only the course of the story but the entire universe as well.

And we're obviously taking about the more recent script here, not the 80-ish page long draft that got leaked first.

The one thats 3 different documents?

[Kaiser Shepard]

squee365 wrote...

I think Kaiser thinks Ambition = what the fans wanted and deserve

I think the problem lies with you trying to think, and failing to interpret the messages of others. If this is what Smudboy went up against, then I genuinely feel sorry for the poor lad.

The ambition is seen in what Bioware set out to create, or at the very least what they said they'd create. With what we're getting right now, they might've just well created Gears of War in space from the very beginning.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .

[Genshie]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

squee365 wrote...

I think Kaiser thinks Ambition = what the fans wanted and deserve

I think the problem lies with you trying to think, and failing to interpret the messages of others. If this is what "he who must not be named" went up against, then I genuinely feel sorry for the poor lad.

Fix'd for ya.

[Fredvdp]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Last I checked, the Mass Effect universe was not black and white. There are always reasons that are both understandable and deplorable for every group. It's like that thing called real life, you know?

Bioware and moral greyness? Surely you jest!

The sad thing is, the same studio that almost a decade ago gave us Kotor now not only fails to surpass their previous product (a Star Wars videogame of all things!) in moral greyness, but also when it comes to the actual results of your decisions, with Kotor having a somewhat differing endgame based on your choice. All that after at least half a decade's worth on this series.

Whatever happened to Bioware's ambition? Because seriously, Codex terms such as "popamole" would not feel out of place now.

I don't think KotOR had moral greyness. It had "pet the puppy or drown it" morality. Mass Effect is better in that respect.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:47 .

[squee365]

My point is that its in mr Hudson's Hands...this was ultimately his project... even before EA stepped in. I really doubt (or hope at this point) that he has deviated far from his vision for the trilogy. I personally think its ambitious as ever, if not more with ME3.

Modifié par squee365, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:47 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

squee365 wrote...

 I love Cerberus....









being the main Villain in ME3:devil:

I don't.....








because the way they do it makes Avatar look subtle.

[WOLF_00]

I made so many choices and created too many saves to see the impact of each choice. And if there is an option to work with Cerberus I shall select it because most of my decisions were favoring Cerberus in ME2

[Kaiser Shepard]

squee365 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Mass Effect wasn't ambitious? What? lol

Learn to read, I asked what happened to it, not that ME didn't start as ambitious: A trilogy of hybrid RPG/TPS games in which your choices would over the course of the series affect not only the course of the story but the entire universe as well.

And we're obviously taking about the more recent script here, not the 80-ish page long draft that got leaked first.

The one thats 3 different documents?

And the readme file in there ve-ry spe-ci-fi-cal-ly states which of the files is the one you need to extract and open.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:48 .

[Pleasureslave]

When I read replies of squee365, I can't stop thinking where I saw such arguments before. And then, suddenly, I remembered

Modifié par Pleasureslave, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:53 .

[squee365]

I never made this out to be an argument though? I'm not trying to defend one stance versus another necessarily. I'm appreciating everyone's input.

[The Elder King]

Getting over of Cerberus main enemy is hard. Putting aside the fact that TIM's intention was to fightbthe Reapers, not only in ME2, but from the moment of Cerberus foundation, considering the comic (even if people don't like it, it was written by a Bioware writer), and putting aside TIM's intentions in ME3, I don't understand how the hell Cerberus have such a large army in ME3. It goes against what it was previously stated. I didn't read all the leaked files, so I don't know if it's explained here, but if the solution will be "clonation" I'll laugh for a good 10 minutes.

[Exia001]

Without telling me what they are, can someone tell me the number of endings in ME3 I heard more than four?

[angry_peon]

I still would like to know, what people expected completely pro human/anti alien decisions to lead to...
A galactic human dominated Empire with a huge ass fleet that can single-handedly take on the reapers?
And all this in the short time-span of a few years?
You guys spent 2 games making the galaxy weaker all in the name of "strengthening" humanity, something I totally do not see btw, as all you did was creating (justified) concerns amongst the council races for politically taking over the government, without making humanity all that much stronger militarily (as I said it is pretty much impossible to achieve in this time span, even without considering political problems). 
Not in the scale the over all council alliance got weakened.
On top of that you likely wiped out the Rachni, the true Geth and prevented the Krogans from getting strong (and with Wrex as a leader, likely to be at least temporarily trustworthy and thankful) allies.
And all of this in face of a unstoppable overpowering, genocidal force of god-machines, advancing towards the galaxy, that even with all the forces of the galaxy united is unlikely to be beaten.
If there ever was a time, where growing together despite potential trouble in the future, was needed, it would be this.
It's like (and I am sorry to make this allegory, I try not to get too much in Godwin territory):

"Earth is soon under attack by a technologically superior alien armada... Well, let's finally get rid of all non white people in the united earth government, because there have always been tensions and conflicts throughout history, and well, why not sorting this out right now? Oh and we should totally get genocidal on those Germans because, in WW II they were our enemies, and they could become hostile again some day."

You see, even if you somehow got the idea that humans should dominate the galaxy (though why is beyond me), this is the worst possible time to get this thing going.
And quite frankly, you would deserve to get your butts kicked (yeah let's say "kicked") by the Reapers for trying.

Modifié par Varhjhin, 04 janvier 2012 - 11:19 .

[SovietCyborg]

3 main endings + variables on performance.

[Chuvvy]

Exia001 wrote...

Without telling me what they are, can someone tell me the number of endings in ME3 I heard more than four?

Three. It changes a bit with proformance and galactic readiness, but there are three base endings. Sidenote, galatic readiness always makes me think of Regie.

[Pleasureslave]

Varhjhin
Nope. Humans got one of the strongest fleets in the Uviverse. So if you don't sacrfice the Council - you get weaker human fleet on your hands, meaning the same handicap, but at human expense this time.
So human domination is as viable agenda as united Council. Besides, other races got no choice but to side with each other as Reapers will exterminate everyone. plot-wise, that simply changes disposition of forces - Alliance fleet is mainly stationed at Arcturus and not destroyed during Earth invasion anyway.