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[GodWood]

Phaedon wrote...
Actually, what is your problem with Genshie's argument?

I can attest that the script of "A Christmas Carol" doesn't come close to matching the quality of the actual play. That's because you are attempting to access a completely different medium with incompatible methods.

Because my issue is with the actual content within the script. No matter how they portray it I'm still not going to like it.

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

You really want me to bring in Gatt9 so he can set you and your three sources straight again?

Please don't.  This little spat is tedious enough as it is.

[Chuvvy]

Phaedon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Genshie wrote...
Because the lacking of context is basically the only true arguement that there is. You only have text which isn't written in any form except as a means of showing what they have done so far. Its like reading a movie script and assuming its going to be bad without seeing the movie itself.

Again, lol fanboys.

Actually, what is your problem with Genshie's argument?

I can attest that the script of "A Christmas Carol" doesn't come close to matching the quality of the actual play. That's because you are attempting to access a completely different medium with incompatible methods.

That works for dialog, but not plot points. That being said the Dialog in ME3 will be great, Conrad inparticular has some dialog that I'm sure all fans will love, even more than his pervious encounters. It's my favorite encounter with him anyway.
 

Modifié par Slidell505, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:54 .

[Genshie]

GodWood wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
Actually, what is your problem with Genshie's argument?

I can attest that the script of "A Christmas Carol" doesn't come close to matching the quality of the actual play. That's because you are attempting to access a completely different medium with incompatible methods.

Because my issue is with the actual content within the script. No matter how they portray it I'm still not going to like it.

Why are you here? Why are you even posting in this thread at all if you clearly are just here to cause trouble and spew insults. You clearly have nothing better to do with your time.

[Dave of Canada]

Because he doesn't like the content of the script and is saying such on a public forum?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[Seboist]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You really want me to bring in Gatt9 so he can set you and your three sources straight again?

Please don't.  This little spat is tedious enough as it is.

Gatt9 makes great points and has been proven right time and again like how BW never claimed they weren't going to add multiplayer or how there isn't going to be real C&C due to things like "action mode".

He's a good man.

Modifié par Seboist, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[TomHark]

Slidell505 wrote...

If you don't mind spoilers read on.

The Rachni being in ME3 regardless of what you did on Noveria is not open to interpritation. They might as well lay out canon choices for ME.

This is clearly not true.  Rachni husks are in ME3 regardless, but not the Rachni.

[GodWood]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
This poster is clearly making a great contribution to the community with his insight!

This poster is trying to dismiss any criticism towards the scripts content by saying "needs more context".

Which frankly, is ridiculous. The script is quite clear and no amount of context is going to dismiss the criticisms against the handling of choices such as the rachni one.

But yes, yes, we're trolls. Thou shalt not kill criticise thy holy script. Burn the heathens etc.

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You really want me to bring in Gatt9 so he can set you and your three sources straight again?

Please don't.  This little spat is tedious enough as it is.

Gatt9 makes great points and has been proven right time and again like how BW never claimed they weren't going to add multiplayer or how there isn't going to be real C&C due to things like "action mode".

He's a good man.

That's as may be, but he's also a very, very repetitive one.

[Dave of Canada]

TomHark wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

If you don't mind spoilers read on.

The Rachni being in ME3 regardless of what you did on Noveria is not open to interpritation. They might as well lay out canon choices for ME.

This is clearly not true.  Rachni husks are in ME3 regardless, but not the Rachni.

*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*
They are, the Reapers decided to make new Rachni out of sticks and glue.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .

[GodWood]

Oh and lol at that bizarre collage.

[Phaedon]

I would love that Sebbie. I am sure Gatt remembers my remarks about his source, and how I dubbed it.

Seeing an attempt to derail the thread,however,is there any answer to Genshie's argument?

[Fiery Phoenix]

didymos1120 wrote...

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That's as may be, but he's also a very, very repetitive one.

Repetition isn't always a bad thing though. Especially in a game forum where developers may be looking for feedback any minute; it gives them some idea as to what players really want. The more we talk about a particular aspect of the game, the more likely the developers are to understand us and pay attention to said aspect. And that, I believe, is a good thing.

[Seboist]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

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That's as may be, but he's also a very, very repetitive one.

Repetition isn't always a bad thing though. Especially in a game forum where developers may be looking for feedback any minute; it gives them some idea as to what players really want. The more we talk about a particular aspect of the game, the more likely the developers are to understand us and pay attention to said aspect. And that, I believe, is a good thing.

Indeed, let us give Gatt9 the respect he deserves.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't really understand the argument, if one doesn't like the content of the script then they certainly won't like the application of said script in the game.

There's certainly enough script to shape an opinion on it as a whole, things like companions / endings and the like could be pulled off in the most cinematic way imaginable but the whole thing comes from something which I find to be poor quality.

For example, reading the script that Aragorn dies because he broke his neck while climbing some stairs would be rather poor. I don't need to see it in action to know it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Phaedon]

We are doing exactly that, Seb. We do.

Now, what other screenplay have you guys read that month?

[Genshie]

Dave of Canada wrote...

For example, reading the script that Aragorn dies because he broke his neck while climbing some stairs would be rather poor. I don't need to see it in action to know it.

I would agree with you but this logic can not be applied to the entirity of the leaked script. Also details can make a world of difference. Reading that someone has broken their neck doesn't have the same impact as seeing a picture of the said person with the broken neck or being next to said person's body.

[Phaedon]

I am relatively sure that Odysseus dieddue to an accident and you have an entire epic around that.

The 'I don't like the concept, so it will suck.' argument is a non-argument.

[AtreiyaN7]

GodWood wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
This poster is clearly making a great contribution to the community with his insight!

This poster is trying to dismiss any criticism towards the scripts content by saying "needs more context".

Which frankly, is ridiculous. The script is quite clear and no amount of context is going to dismiss the criticisms against the handling of choices such as the rachni one.

But yes, yes, we're trolls. Thou shalt not kill criticise thy holy script. Burn the heathens etc.

Melodramatic, aren't we? I actually don't think you're a troll and said nothing of the sort, but as far as I'm concerned, if you're going to write a completely pointless response, then I'm not missing the opportunity to snark. The OP's question as to why people are reacting like they have been has been answered, so this thread has been reduced to people who have read the script pronouncing that they believe that it is gospel and completely representative of the final product arguing with those of us who disagree. I do not give a flying fig what you do/don't believe. Go for it. However, the fact that I don't want to jump on your bandwagon because I have no desire to experience spoilers doesn't mean I'm treating it as a sacred text. You, however, seem to be doing that. Me? I know almost nothing in that script, and I'm trying to keep it that way, thanks. Is there a problem with those of us who prefer a wait-and-see approach?

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:23 .

[squee365]

The movie Once Upon A Time In America starts with 3 of the 4 main characters dead. How about that for a crappy concept? Whats interesting is that movie is one of the greatest movies ever made. Theres this thing call "exposition" that can change everything about an instance in the plot of a story. If someone is upset about something that happens in ME3 from reading the script, they're not getting the full effect because all they know is the what...not how its presented or explained. You may have dialogue, but you don't have the delivery, the pacing, the music, the direction,...what applies to movies can also apply to video games...especially mass effect. Just how I feel.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Amazing collage there, Phae. I'll be sure to show it to the others tomorrow... or later today, I suppose.

Also, TIM, TIM, Proto-TIM and a man-tiger? Then again, I suppose TIM does have tiger blood.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:23 .

[didymos1120]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Repetition isn't always a bad thing though. 

Let me clarify: it is when nearly everything you post is just a slight variation of the same stock lecture.

[Genshie]

squee365 wrote...

The movie Once Upon A Time In America starts with 3 of the 4 main characters dead. How about that for a crappy concept? Whats interesting is that movie is one of the greatest movies ever made. Theres this thing call "exposition" that can change everything about an instance in the plot of a story. If someone is upset about something that happens in ME3 from reading the script, they're not getting the full effect because all they know is the what...not how its presented or explained. You may have dialogue, but you don't have the delivery, the pacing, the music, the direction,...what applies to movies can also apply to video games...especially mass effect. Just how I feel.

 Which goes back to my original point that their only context is unorderly and unfinished rough text.

Modifié par Genshie, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[Dave of Canada]

Agree to disagree then, I just don't see how things like the Rachni, Cerberus and such are going to be fixed simply because it's being shown to me with fanciful music and cutscenes.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .