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[Ryzaki]

Yeah I'm not that great on the ME3 squad. More ME2 squaddies should've been available.

[AgitatedLemon]

MordinKrios wrote...

Overall, I feel as if the community is slightly split over whether the ME3 squad is either (like me) feel it is the worst out of the three games, or really good. Obviously, there is nothing we can do about it and Bioware feel what they are doing is correct, which i can respect but there is no harm in us debating which one is better, isn't that the whole point of a forum? A place for debate?

I may be alone, but I'm rather on the fence about the ME3 squad.

It's missing my favorites (Miranda, Legion, Mordin, Grunt), but it has a few characters that I do really like as well (Garrus, Ash, Liara).

At the very least, Miranda's ME3 content seems to be pretty well put out, at least, judging from the leak.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .

[MordinKrios]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MordinKrios wrote...

Overall, I feel as if the community is slightly split over whether the ME3 squad is either (like me) feel it is the worst out of the three games, or really good. Obviously, there is nothing we can do about it and Bioware feel what they are doing is correct, which i can respect but there is no harm in us debating which one is better, isn't that the whole point of a forum? A place for debate?

I may be alone, but I'm rather on the fence about the ME3 squad.

It's missing my favorites (Miranda, Legion, Mordin, Grunt), but it has a few characters that I do really like as well (Garrus, Ash, Liara).

At the very least, Miranda's ME3 content seems to be pretty well put out, at least, judging from the leak.

 

I'm sure you are not alone Lemon, many people are not even sure about the makeup of the squad so have probably yet to form an opinion. 

In comparison to the other squads, sadly, the ME3 squad is severley lacking in any wit or interesting character. But hey, I don't mind  Garrus and i don't mind Kaiden but there are other characters i prefer (legion, Miranda, Grunt, Wrex!, Mordin, Thane, Kasumi, Samara).

[android654]

I've got no gripes against Anderson joining for a temp mission or two, but that's mostly because I love the "old guy is too old but still kicks add anyway" theme.

But the real gripe I have, that others mentioned, is if Garrus and Tali are susceptible to the possibility of death in ME2, why make them permanent in ME3? If the decisions were made to maintain cohesion through a three story arc, it would've made sense to do to them what they did to the rest of the ME2 squad. All they resulted in doing was display favoritism over the fan bases of two characters and risk losing fans from the 2nd installment which was bigger and more successful than the first.

Bad decision making if you ask me.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

I've got no gripes against Anderson joining for a temp mission or two, but that's mostly because I love the "old guy is too old but still kicks add anyway" theme.

But the real gripe I have, that others mentioned, is if Garrus and Tali are susceptible to the possibility of death in ME2, why make them permanent in ME3? If the decisions were made to maintain cohesion through a three story arc, it would've made sense to do to them what they did to the rest of the ME2 squad. All they resulted in doing was display favoritism over the fan bases of two characters and risk losing fans from the 2nd installment which was bigger and more successful than the first.

Bad decision making if you ask me.

Did BioWare actually explain their reasoning for this?

All I've seen was "Well, they can die" (Paraphrased), which is the biggest BS logic ever.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:02 .

[Gaseous Shepard]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MordinKrios wrote...

Overall, I feel as if the community is slightly split over whether the ME3 squad is either (like me) feel it is the worst out of the three games, or really good. Obviously, there is nothing we can do about it and Bioware feel what they are doing is correct, which i can respect but there is no harm in us debating which one is better, isn't that the whole point of a forum? A place for debate?

I may be alone, but I'm rather on the fence about the ME3 squad.

It's missing my favorites (Miranda, Legion, Mordin, Grunt), but it has a few characters that I do really like as well (Garrus, Ash, Liara).

At the very least, Miranda's ME3 content seems to be pretty well put out, at least, judging from the leak.

I'm on the fence too, but the only way they can make us all happy is to bring everyone in for the long haul. That's not going to happen.

It's a downer I'm not going to have some favs like crazy Mordin, but I will get my bro Garrus and Liara. I'm sure it will grow on me like ME2 and be a great game.

[Alex Arterius]

MordinKrios wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MordinKrios wrote...

Overall, I feel as if the community is slightly split over whether the ME3 squad is either (like me) feel it is the worst out of the three games, or really good. Obviously, there is nothing we can do about it and Bioware feel what they are doing is correct, which i can respect but there is no harm in us debating which one is better, isn't that the whole point of a forum? A place for debate?

I may be alone, but I'm rather on the fence about the ME3 squad.

It's missing my favorites (Miranda, Legion, Mordin, Grunt), but it has a few characters that I do really like as well (Garrus, Ash, Liara).

At the very least, Miranda's ME3 content seems to be pretty well put out, at least, judging from the leak.

 

I'm sure you are not alone Lemon, many people are not even sure about the makeup of the squad so have probably yet to form an opinion. 

In comparison to the other squads, sadly, the ME3 squad is severley lacking in any wit or interesting character. But hey, I don't mind  Garrus and i don't mind Kaiden but there are other characters i prefer (legion, Miranda, Grunt, Wrex!, Mordin, Thane, Kasumi, Samara).

My persoanly issue, is too many humans. I mean if you're comparing charcters it don't stack well

Thane: Galaxies most revered assassin - Ash: Aliance soldier.. does poerty... bit racist
Mordin: Genuis scientist salarin who worked on the genophage and the salarian STG - Vega: Alliance soldier... got drunk some times... Likes shepard
Legion: Mass twsit in the fact he is recruitable despite the fcat you have been fighting his race for the last 2 games, has a myserious affiliation with Shepard and offers insight into the geth/Quarian dispute - Tali - Quarian.... Dad's an admiral... ...
So on with with a comparison of Kaidan and Miranda

You guys get the picture..

[Alex Arterius]

Double post... not cool

Modifié par Alex Arterius, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:05 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

I've got no gripes against Anderson joining for a temp mission or two, but that's mostly because I love the "old guy is too old but still kicks add anyway" theme.

But the real gripe I have, that others mentioned, is if Garrus and Tali are susceptible to the possibility of death in ME2, why make them permanent in ME3? If the decisions were made to maintain cohesion through a three story arc, it would've made sense to do to them what they did to the rest of the ME2 squad. All they resulted in doing was display favoritism over the fan bases of two characters and risk losing fans from the 2nd installment which was bigger and more successful than the first.

Bad decision making if you ask me.

Did BioWare actually explain their reasoning for this?

All I've seen was "Well, they can die" (Paraphrased), which is the biggest BS logic ever.

The logic is that without including any ME2-specific characters, they have a smaller squad. With a smaller squad, they can afford to give more dialogue to each individual squadmate, and can also incorporate squad banter, both things that were somewhat lacking in ME2.

How does this have anything to do with the ME2 cast??

They could have just as easily taken Ash/Kaidan, Liara, and Vega, and took 3 characters from ME2 (Provided survival). I think Miranda would almost HAVE to be involved, what with her heavy Cerberus interaction.

[Alex Arterius]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

I've got no gripes against Anderson joining for a temp mission or two, but that's mostly because I love the "old guy is too old but still kicks add anyway" theme.

But the real gripe I have, that others mentioned, is if Garrus and Tali are susceptible to the possibility of death in ME2, why make them permanent in ME3? If the decisions were made to maintain cohesion through a three story arc, it would've made sense to do to them what they did to the rest of the ME2 squad. All they resulted in doing was display favoritism over the fan bases of two characters and risk losing fans from the 2nd installment which was bigger and more successful than the first.

Bad decision making if you ask me.

Did BioWare actually explain their reasoning for this?

All I've seen was "Well, they can die" (Paraphrased), which is the biggest BS logic ever.

The logic is that without including any ME2-specific characters, they have a smaller squad. With a smaller squad, they can afford to give more dialogue to each individual squadmate, and can also incorporate squad banter, both things that were somewhat lacking in ME2.

How does this have anything to do with the ME2 cast??

They could have just as easily taken Ash/Kaidan, Liara, and Vega, and took 3 characters from ME2 (Provided survival). I think Miranda would almost HAVE to be involved, what with her heavy Cerberus interaction.

Miranda + Legion I would guess would be best for this - I say this beacuse I know a lot of people are calling out for him as a squaddie due to his small but popular part in ME2

[AgitatedLemon]

I think Legion would be a good fit as well, but if he comes, then Tali needs to also, since the quarian/geth conflict and Rannoch, and what not.

[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

I've got no gripes against Anderson joining for a temp mission or two, but that's mostly because I love the "old guy is too old but still kicks add anyway" theme.

But the real gripe I have, that others mentioned, is if Garrus and Tali are susceptible to the possibility of death in ME2, why make them permanent in ME3? If the decisions were made to maintain cohesion through a three story arc, it would've made sense to do to them what they did to the rest of the ME2 squad. All they resulted in doing was display favoritism over the fan bases of two characters and risk losing fans from the 2nd installment which was bigger and more successful than the first.

Bad decision making if you ask me.

Did BioWare actually explain their reasoning for this?

All I've seen was "Well, they can die" (Paraphrased), which is the biggest BS logic ever.

The logic is that without including any ME2-specific characters, they have a smaller squad. With a smaller squad, they can afford to give more dialogue to each individual squadmate, and can also incorporate squad banter, both things that were somewhat lacking in ME2.

How does this have anything to do with the ME2 cast??

They could have just as easily taken Ash/Kaidan, Liara, and Vega, and took 3 characters from ME2 (Provided survival). I think Miranda would almost HAVE to be involved, what with her heavy Cerberus interaction.

It has to do with the ME2 cast because once they'd picked everyone else they knew they wanted on the squad, there were no slots left open; hence, no ME2-exclusive squadmates for ME3.

What kind of ****** terrible logic is this?

I mean, I can see what you're saying, but BioWare honestly thought that was the best route to take?


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Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:19 .

[who would know]

MordinKrios wrote...

Overall, I feel as if the community is slightly split over whether the ME3 squad is either (like me) feel it is the worst out of the three games, or really good.

It won't be the worst simply by virtue of the hugely improved banter and intra-crew interactions. It's bittersweet, though, because I know that the characters I'm interested in will never get that special treatment or focus, and they won't gain the same subtle characterizations that party member status would've provided.

Like, chances are good there will be no banter between Ash and Miri. Ever. And that sucks.

[MordinKrios]

As comparing the three squads go, this may seem harsh but I have scored them and seen what has come up. Granted, i can't make judgements on Vega, DLC and Battlestar yet so this may seem a tad off.

ME 1 squad. Average score 5.16

Ashley: 4/10
Kaiden: 6/10
Garrus: 7/10
Wrex: 8/10
Tali: 3/10
Liara: 3/10

ME2 Squad Average: 5.83

Miranda: 7/10
Grunt: 6/10
Samara: 5/10
Mordin: 9/10
Thane: 9/10
Jacob: 3/10
Jack: 6/10
Garrus: 7/10
Tali: 3/10
Kasumi: 8/10
Zaeed: 7/10
Legion: 9/10

ME3 Squad. Average score 4.28

Kaiden/Ashley (average score) 5/10
Liara: (due to her horrible change in personality. Innocent Liara= far nicer Liara) 2/10
Tali: 3/10
Garrus: 7/10
Battlestar (purely because of her selection): 3/10
Vega: (don't know much about him): 5/10

DLC: (based on what he/she/it is/isn't/maybe) 5/10

This is just based on MY OPINION. And it is a little harsh based on the fact I don't know much about 3 ME3 squaddies, but for me and ME ALONE, the facts speak (not really) for themeselves.

[Alex Arterius]

If you had free reign of the squad who would you guys pick then? Lets say there are 8 spaces

[MordinKrios]

Alex Arterius wrote...

If you had free reign of the squad who would you guys pick then? Lets say there are 8 spaces

 

Mordin
Thane
Legion
Miranda
Wrex
Grunt
Kasumi
Garrus 

Tough one.

[AgitatedLemon]

Alex Arterius wrote...

If you had free reign of the squad who would you guys pick then? Lets say there are 8 spaces

Ash (Kaidan is dead)
Liara
Vega
Garrus
Miranda
Mordin
Wrex
Legion

[who would know]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'm not sure about Miranda specifically (haven't looked at her parts much), but I saw that Jack responds and talks to your squadmates on the mission in which she is featured. It's pretty good stuff, too.

Oh, cool. Is she a party member for a time? I've actually heard that she's better written in ME3 than she was in ME2. Again, bittersweet, because she only features for one mission.

I wonder if every character is getting a redesign. I hope so. No reason not to.

[AgitatedLemon]

who would know wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'm not sure about Miranda specifically (haven't looked at her parts much), but I saw that Jack responds and talks to your squadmates on the mission in which she is featured. It's pretty good stuff, too.

Oh, cool. Is she a party member for a time? I've actually heard that she's better written in ME3 than she was in ME2. Again, bittersweet, because she only features for one mission.

I wonder if every character is getting a redesign. I hope so. No reason not to.

Her ME3 stuff pertains to her father and Cerberus. From what I've seen, it's actually pretty well done. Her dialogue seems to be a bit better than what she had in ME2, but there are some holes in her ME3 stuff. I can attribute that to the leak being incomplete though.

Saying anything beyond "It's her father and Cerberus" is spoilers.

She may/may not be on the squad temporarily for her missions, but she is NOT on it otherwise.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[who would know]

Alex Arterius wrote...

If you had free reign of the squad who would you guys pick then? Lets say there are 8 spaces

I'd do this, but I realize how masturbatory it is at this point. It was never realistic to expect to be able to hand-pick the entire squad. I could've seen one slot being open for a party member of choice, though. Picking from a pool of maybe three: Miranda, Mordin, Legion. That would've been six different kinds of cool.

[AgitatedLemon]

who would know wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

If you had free reign of the squad who would you guys pick then? Lets say there are 8 spaces

I'd do this, but I realize how masturbatory it is at this point. It was never realistic to expect to be able to hand-pick the entire squad. I could've seen one slot being open for a party member of choice, though. Picking from a pool of maybe three: Miranda, Mordin, Legion. That would've been six different kinds of cool.

I suggested this exact thing a few days back.

edit: I hope you're aware of the meaning of "Masturbatory".

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .