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[yesikareyes]

I chose to help Tallis during my first playthrough maybe it was mainly because my Hawke just loves pretty elves. Still at the end of the DLC, I can't help but say "What in Andraste's name did I do?" because I can't help but thinking the Qunari are bad folk. I have a feeling when DA3 comes out, I'll import one where I did not help Tallis because I usually import a playthrough which my choices and actions depended on my own instinct and personality that is usually my "canon".

I think it's a bad idea to help her. 

[Sylvianus]

Do not worry, whatever what you decide, you'll help her.

[Wulfram]

Helping a member of the Qunari secret police really doesn't seem like a great idea, no.

[andraip]

Riiiigth... DAO choices weren't really important in DA2 and now you think a DA2 DLC choice will bite you in the back in DA3? Come on, if you're lucky it will maybe get mentioned like this: Tallis to DA3 PC while talking about Hawke.
Tallis: I met Hawke while he helped me in some Qunari affairs.
DA3 PC: Yeah, ok, who is this 'Hawke' guy you are talking about anyway?
Tallis: A Kirkwall local celeb... he killed the Arishok.
Da3 PC: What? How did he managed that?
Tallis: Well, the Arishok was sitting on his thumb for 3 years, so he was rusty. Besides he didn't even had is armour...
And you'll hear that if you left her or not, you know, VO isn't cheap... and BioWare wants a green image so they are recycling anything... besides even if you leave her you helped Tallis...

However probably you won't hear anything about Hawke beside if he was pro Madredith or pro Harvestino...

[WhiteKnyght]

Well even if you were helping Qunari maintain their cover, it's still the ethically right thing to do.

As Tallis said, they are innocent people who don't hurt anyone. And not all them are even still loyal to the Qun. Some defected and became Tal-Vashoth. Not to mention, it would hurt everyone who is friends with or associates with them. Which means innocent non-qunari will be hurt.

Tallis does make good points and she's more open minded and idealistic than the members of the Antaam that we've come to know and love killing. And considering that Mark of the Assassin seems to happen before Redemption, her future is undetermined. She could appear in DA3 as a Tal Vasoth outcast considering she knowingly failed her mission and doomed herself to live as a glorified butcher.

[yesikareyes]

@andraip

Well, I may criticize on that flaw but that doesn't mean that Bioware won't improve on it and it'll bite me in the butt during DA3. Plus, I'm asking if other players here thought it was right to help Tallis because I had a feeling not to. I'm not too worried about creating a perfect game for DA3, just curious about what others think about the choice.

[Krondor41]

I have been trying forever to sneak by the gurards at the top of the stairs, but get caught every time. Can anyone give me a suggestion? Thanks.

[caradoc2000]

There are walkthrough videos on Youtube. Take a look at those, the sneaking parts are hard to describe.

[Knight of Dane]

andraip wrote...

Riiiigth... DAO choices weren't really important in DA2 and now you think a DA2 DLC choice will bite you in the back in DA3?

Choice?

[WhiteKnyght]

andraip wrote...

Riiiigth... DAO choices weren't really important in DA2 and now you think a DA2 DLC choice will bite you in the back in DA3?

You must have missed the part where the Devs guaranteed that DA3 is when you WILL see the results of your previous choices.

The reason most of your actions in DAO didn't affect DA2 was because 1. It was in a whole other nation. 2. Not a lot of time had passed for any real long-term consequences to show. And 3. DA2 is a narrative; Varric is only telling Cassandra what he knows; and is telling her the story of Hawke, not a Post-DAO history lesson. Other events could have happened that he didn't know about or was irrelevant.

[andraip]

yesikareyes wrote...

@andraip

Well, I may criticize on that flaw but that doesn't mean that Bioware won't improve on it and it'll bite me in the butt during DA3. Plus, I'm asking if other players here thought it was right to help Tallis because I had a feeling not to. I'm not too worried about creating a perfect game for DA3, just curious about what others think about the choice.

OK, if my real me (with slightly enhanced combat skills) would be in Hawkes place I would help Tallis, I kinda like the Qun.

[andraip]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

andraip wrote...

Riiiigth... DAO choices weren't really important in DA2 and now you think a DA2 DLC choice will bite you in the back in DA3?

You must have missed the part where the Devs guaranteed that DA3 is when you WILL see the results of your previous choices.

The reason most of your actions in DAO didn't affect DA2 was because 1. It was in a whole other nation. 2. Not a lot of time had passed for any real long-term consequences to show. And 3. DA2 is a narrative; Varric is only telling Cassandra what he knows; and is telling her the story of Hawke, not a Post-DAO history lesson. Other events could have happened that he didn't know about or was irrelevant.

I think I actually missed it , it would be really cool if they would actually do it.

However I'm worried about how they want to show the consequences, they could just pull the Codex card out of their arses and be done with it. It wouldn't be anything more then a delayed DAO epilogue (without the nice background pics!)... I truly hope it that this won't happen and they show it via dialogue/quests and so.

[Dave of Canada]

Don't worry, it won't bite you in the ass. Nothing you do changes how it ends, you can threaten to kill her and she'll persuade you to stop by saying "No".

[PrinceLionheart]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Don't worry, it won't bite you in the ass. Nothing you do changes how it ends, you can threaten to kill her and she'll persuade you to stop by saying "No".

I understand why so many people had issues with Tallis, she basically steals the PC's metagame skills.

If you try to steal list from her she'll go "lol u mad."

[CrimsonZephyr]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well even if you were helping Qunari maintain their cover, it's still the ethically right thing to do.

As Tallis said, they are innocent people who don't hurt anyone. And not all them are even still loyal to the Qun. Some defected and became Tal-Vashoth. Not to mention, it would hurt everyone who is friends with or associates with them. Which means innocent non-qunari will be hurt.

Tallis does make good points and she's more open minded and idealistic than the members of the Antaam that we've come to know and love killing. And considering that Mark of the Assassin seems to happen before Redemption, her future is undetermined. She could appear in DA3 as a Tal Vasoth outcast considering she knowingly failed her mission and doomed herself to live as a glorified butcher.

Protecting the lives of Qunari blackshirts living undercover in Andrastian Thedas is explicitly not the right thing to do. How much intelligence are they funneling to Par Vollen? How many more people have to die or be enslaved by the Qunari when they invade because people were being Quislings for them.

Tallis deserves nothing more than the headsman's axe.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 06 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[andraip]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Protecting the lives of Qunari blackshirts living undercover in Andrastian Thedas is explicitly not the right thing to do. How much intelligence are they funneling to Par Vollen? How many more people have to die or be enslaved by the Qunari when they invade because people were being Quislings for them.

Tallis deserves nothing more than the headsman's axe.

As if The Chantry or Tevinter were any better... so you could start by beheading Leliana too, but it won't work, something The Warden can't do no one can;).

Besides, I support the intelligence network of the Qunari, that way some Qunari manage to live outside the Qun.

And they won't invade Thedas, they know that The Warden is somewhere out there... waiting... and that he would kill half of their army (since he is a nice guy he would leave the other half to Hawke).

[jamesp81]

yesikareyes wrote...

@andraip

Well, I may criticize on that flaw but that doesn't mean that Bioware won't improve on it and it'll bite me in the butt during DA3. Plus, I'm asking if other players here thought it was right to help Tallis because I had a feeling not to. I'm not too worried about creating a perfect game for DA3, just curious about what others think about the choice.

I admit, the first time I  played it I went metagamey and helped her because I thought I might miss out on content.

In my 'canon' playthrough, however, I do not help her or any other qunari bastards.

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well even if you were helping Qunari maintain their cover, it's still the ethically right thing to do.

No, I don't think it was.

[jamesp81]

andraip wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Protecting the lives of Qunari blackshirts living undercover in Andrastian Thedas is explicitly not the right thing to do. How much intelligence are they funneling to Par Vollen? How many more people have to die or be enslaved by the Qunari when they invade because people were being Quislings for them.

Tallis deserves nothing more than the headsman's axe.

As if The Chantry or Tevinter were any better... so you could start by beheading Leliana too, but it won't work, something The Warden can't do no one can;).

Besides, I support the intelligence network of the Qunari, that way some Qunari manage to live outside the Qun.

And they won't invade Thedas, they know that The Warden is somewhere out there... waiting... and that he would kill half of their army (since he is a nice guy he would leave the other half to Hawke).

The Chantry and Tevinter ARE  better.  Not much better, but both have one big advantage.  They might be changed in the future.  The attempt has already been made (unfortunately it failed) in Tevinter.

The Qunari will not change.  Their faith preaches the enslavement and death of their neighbors, imperialism, and crimes against humanity (and elves, and dwarves, etc)...and they will never change.

The Qun is everything bad about Thedas distilled and amplified.  Their entire civilization is one gigantic mad, rabid dog.  Only one thing to do.

Modifié par jamesp81, 06 janvier 2012 - 06:49 .

[Gervaise]

Just thought I'd point out that timewise MoA comes after Redemption. I assume that because she didn't complete the Redemption task exactly to order, she is still on probation with the Ariqun and since she decided to undertake the MoA mission on her own initiative, she is exhibiting way too much individualism for the Qunari. If she turns up in MoA at all, I would think it would be as a Tal'Vashoth as it seemed to me she was trying to convince herself of the need to stay in the Qun.

When you undertake the mission with Tallis can effect how you view its outcome. For example, if you do it in Act 2, then you might well regret helping Tallis when all those elves appear fighting on the side of the Arishok. It also makes their presence more understandable as there are far more of them than could possibly be related to the two elf converts. Doing it in Act 3 made me wonder if Tallis was trying to get Hawke killed as pay back for the Arishok, regardless of what she says to the contrary.

Keeping Qunari agents safe may well come back to bite you in DA3 since the Qunari were only waiting for the appropriate moment to strike and if the situation now is not the time, with mages in fullscale rebellion, templars doing their own thing, chantry undermined and Empire of Orlais in civil war meltdown, then it never will be. The fact that you had no alternative but help Tallis (whether you wanted to or not) and could not recover the list (whether you wanted to or not) would suggest that at some point in the future (DA3 or DA4), the Qunari sleeper cells are going to be very important.

[Mallika Surana]

How exactly are spies innocent?

Don't like religious nuts, both Chantry and Qunari alike. I don't play my characters sympathetic to them and would have liked to have the opportunity to kill Talis and take the list.

[TEWR]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

andraip wrote...

Riiiigth... DAO choices weren't really important in DA2 and now you think a DA2 DLC choice will bite you in the back in DA3?

You must have missed the part where the Devs guaranteed that DA3 is when you WILL see the results of your previous choices.

Considering DAII steamrolled almost every choice in game to have the exact same conclusion, I don't see many consequences to previous choices happening.

Only ones I can think of are the siblings' fates, Feynriel's fate, and who Hawke sided with in the endgame.

And even the last one wanted to have almost exactly the same outcome.

[Ausstig]

jamesp81 wrote...

andraip wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Protecting the lives of Qunari blackshirts living undercover in Andrastian Thedas is explicitly not the right thing to do. How much intelligence are they funneling to Par Vollen? How many more people have to die or be enslaved by the Qunari when they invade because people were being Quislings for them.

Tallis deserves nothing more than the headsman's axe.

As if The Chantry or Tevinter were any better... so you could start by beheading Leliana too, but it won't work, something The Warden can't do no one can;).

Besides, I support the intelligence network of the Qunari, that way some Qunari manage to live outside the Qun.

And they won't invade Thedas, they know that The Warden is somewhere out there... waiting... and that he would kill half of their army (since he is a nice guy he would leave the other half to Hawke).

The Chantry and Tevinter ARE  better.  Not much better, but both have one big advantage.  They might be changed in the future.  The attempt has already been made (unfortunately it failed) in Tevinter.

The Qunari will not change.  Their faith preaches the enslavement and death of their neighbors, imperialism, and crimes against humanity (and elves, and dwarves, etc)...and they will never change.

The Qun is everything bad about Thedas distilled and amplified.  Their entire civilization is one gigantic mad, rabid dog.  Only one thing to do.

I swear, I swear Serbastion so help me. I will one day OBLITERATE THE QUNARI!!!

point for anyone who gets the reference

More to the point, I wish your actions COULD have changed the outcome. I mean Talis is near a cliff, just have Hawk through her off and have Cassie say that they 'Never Found the body' would that have been so hard? Or even just have her not show up, I mean Hawk doesn't know what he has.

But I look forward to killing her in a future. That or she will become the Liara to Hawks Shepard. 

Enjoy that 

[TobiTobsen]

I still regret that I couldn't help the Duke to get the list.

Damn you plot armor, damn you!

[Chiramu]

Wulfram wrote...

Helping a member of the Qunari secret police really doesn't seem like a great idea, no.

More like a member of the "Thought Police", Qunari seem to be against free will and free thinking :<.