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[AtreiyaN7]

didymos1120 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

And last but not least, Bioware retconned any and all aspects of darkside revan in the latest KotOR novel. Apparantly Revan was a light side male, married bastilla and had kids.

I don't know if you know this, but Bioware isn't the boss of Star Wars.  You can thank Lucas for canon Revan being a lightside male.

I read the novel. Revan wasn't retconned, and he and Bastila had ONE child. You're mistaking a decision by the powers-that-be (before the novel even came out as far as I know) that canon Revan would be a male who was ultimately redeemed. They didn't retcon a single bloody thing in the novel either. Furthermore, Revan's dark side past is acknowledged. Get your facts straight or at least use the correct terms when complaining.

[DiebytheSword]

AVPen wrote...


I find it incredibly funny that these people who are (frankly) downright b*tching over the ME1 Rachni decision (spare/kill the Queen) as being completely irrevelent to the events of ME3 - *snip* <_<

That would require reading past what they are looking for in confirmation bias.

[Grey34]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

ncknck wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Do you have any proof to back up your accusation here?

And ME1 choices mattered in ME2?

as long as they matter in ME3  then you baseless assertion is useless

Hey, brief history lesson.

Your choices didn't matter when going from Baldurs Gate to it's expansions, to Shadows of Amn.

Didn't matter going from Neverwinter Nights to it's expansions

Didn't matter going from DAO to DAII

Didn't matter going from ME to ME2

And last but not least, Bioware retconned any and all aspects of darkside revan in the latest KotOR novel. Apparantly Revan was a light side male, married bastilla and had kids.

I get that ME3 isn't out yet, but Bioware don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Where is your god now?

 i have not played these games so i can't  comment, and besides we are not discussing BG or DAO or kotor anyway so this is irrelevent  to the discussion about mass effect so plese stay on topic.  

well can describe what choices in ME1 didn't matter in ME2?

i just love it how people like you  are using a incomplete script and is subject to change  to base your unfounded opinion, i find that pretty flimsy really.    everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt  including you. i'm not sure whether to call you a troll or  not but so far your not convincing me.  

 


 

     
  
     

[tetrisblock4x1]

I strongly doubt that anyone who is familiar with Biowares past really has any faith in the promise of ME3s "thousands" of variables linked to ME and ME2.

[AtreiyaN7]

@Grey34: Would quote that, but can't on my iPad atm. I can say that he's wrong since you can see different versions of DA:O characters, depending on decisions in DA:O. Alistair from DA:O can show up in DA2 as a king or a drunk for example. Furthermore, the dialogue with Alistair can differ slightly depending of what happened to your Warden in DA:O. So it's not as if choice doesn't matter, but for some people it may be that the impact wasn't sufficient in their opinion (a lot of the cameos & whatnot are largely cosmetic and/or don't have a major impact on shaping the game, but that doesn't mean they have absolutely zero effect).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:34 .

[Chuvvy]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

I strongly doubt that anyone who is familiar with Biowares past really has any faith in the promise of ME3s "thousands" of variables linked to ME and ME2.

This. Bioware has been promissing big branching plots for their games for awhile now. And I think it's safe to say, we all played a very similar games. And passed experience and the leaked script would dictate that it's not happening in ME3.

[Grey34]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

I strongly doubt that anyone who is familiar with Biowares past really has any faith in the promise of ME3s "thousands" of variables linked to ME and ME2.

 

 don't avoid the question  i asked you what  choices didn't matter? 

Modifié par Grey34, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:42 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Believe what you want Grey, but don't say that nobody warned you to not believe Biowares hype. You'll probably like it more if you expect Bioware to direct the general flow of the story. I haven't read the leak, but whatever happens to the base, whatever part that any potentially major players have in ME3 like Batarians, heretics and the collector base will be decided by Bioware. You might get a few different lines of dialog based on ME2 and ME1, but the story will remain unaffected.

You spend a total of 5 minutes with whoever you pput on the council and a bit of time with the turian, salarian and asari councilers. Huge waste of potential right there.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:51 .

[Grey34]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Believe what you want Grey, but don't say that nobody warned you to not believe Biowares hype. You'll probably like it more if you expect Bioware to direct the general flow of the story. I haven't read the leak, but whatever happens to the base, whatever part that any potentially major players have in ME3 like Batarians, heretics and the collector base will be decided by Bioware. You might get a few different lines of dialog based on ME2 and ME1, but the story will remain unaffected.

You spend a total of 5 minutes with whoever you pput on the council and a bit of time with the turian, salarian and asari councilers. Huge waste of potential right there.

 

if you haven't read the leak  then you can't possibly  judge it to be a waste of pontential untill the game comes out? if you can then that's baseless assumption right there.

"but don't say nobody warned you to believe Biowares hype"   so far it's only you so i'm not worried about one persons unfounded opinion.   and besides who said anything about  believing hype i never said i beleived it.  

well i have read alot of the script  though there a few things i find issue with but  overall i'm satisfied with it.  they can do what they want  with it, it's their game after all your not going please everyone that's just impossible  

          
     

[seif9]

To be honest judging for past experiences I do have a feeling that the so called "thousands" of variables will not change much. BUT before we start moaning and crying i suggest that we wait for the game to come out and not read the script because it most likely is missing alot and will ruin your enjoyment of the game in the end even if the game is fairly linear. I suggest we all just enjoy what Bioware has to offer and deal with the things we would prefer be changed because not everyone can be pleased.

[angry_peon]

To the guy shocked that Light Side was canon for KotOR. Well, this was known for ages. It also makes sense, since, you know... the Republic that is STILL PRESENT in the Star Wars movies and is said to have existed for thousands of years... I know this might come as another shock... it was never completely destroyed (after it's foundation 25000 years before the battle of Yavin) until Paltapine did it from within.
And guess what. Same will be true for The Old Republic MMO. The story is already set in stone. The Sith Empire will lose eventually. It's inevitable. Period.
On top of that, Dark Side in KotOR was pretty pointless story-wise. Unless you played somewhat normal (perhaps with an occasional, foreshadowing burst of anger) until the "truth" is revealed. By then a fall to the Dark Side made actually sense.
But a canon had to be chosen (unless you want a completely new Star Wars universe branching off where everything is based on your KotOR Dark Side choices...) and they went with the option, more in line with continuity.
Guess what, KotOR II also has Light Side (this time female though) canon.
Besides, jumping out of the escape pod, thinking you are a soldier/scout/scoundrel in Republic service and going on a killing spree just for the heck of it, is ridiculously unbelievable.

[jaza]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Pathetic Thread.

Pathetic and pointless post.

[Seboist]

Slidell505 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

I strongly doubt that anyone who is familiar with Biowares past really has any faith in the promise of ME3s "thousands" of variables linked to ME and ME2.

This. Bioware has been promissing big branching plots for their games for awhile now. And I think it's safe to say, we all played a very similar games. And passed experience and the leaked script would dictate that it's not happening in ME3.

Yeah, you can base your "choices" on the flip of a coin and skip through every conversation by spamming spacebar and get the same game as everyone else.

[Seboist]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

There is another post in another thread that pretty much sums up what is the worst case scenario for players given all the "choice and consequence" talk that has been fed to us for the past 5 years.

Remember that big decision to destroy or keep the Collector base? Here is the worst case scenario play out in ME3:

A) Replaceable Character: Shepard! You destroyed the Collector Base, good job! We've found a bunch of technology amongst the wreckage and can make new weapons for you to use!

Replaceable Character: Shepard! Good job keeping that Collector base, we've taken it from Cerberus and found a bunch of technology and can make new weapons for you to use!

In truth, I'm not expecting ME3 to impress me as far as the story and choices go. I'm sure it will look great, and the combat will be fun, but I am wary of games produced by BioWare in an under 3 year development window. So much potential...

Again, is this confirmed?

Cerberus getting the same amount of tech from the CB regardless of what happened to it is confirmed,yeah.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's vague mention of how they use repurposed the Baby Reaper itself (it's underwhelming), but as of yet no clear consequence in regards to Cerberus's abilities. The Cerberus army rises regardless, for example.

[Sylvara]

So, what is the OP's point exactly? If this is an accusation or theory, there is no proof, if this is an opinion then... well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Freestate2nd]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Severyx wrote...

So who's excited to see the full effects of all the longstanding and meaningful decisions you've all been making since ME1? Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing the rachni in action.

Me, every one of my characters have freed the Rachni!  

Hahaha this is hilarious. You guys act like the OP is trolling then mention the Rachni, one of the biggest choices that has NO RELEVANCE AT ALL! LOL!.

**SPOILER ALERT!**

If you saved the Rachni, its Indoctrinated!
If you killed the Rachni, the Reapers find ANOTHER Rachni Queen, and its Indoctrinated!
It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.


**END SPOILERS**



You guys are so quick to accuse the OP, I can't wait until the game comes out and suddenly you agree with him.

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! If this is true we must send a krogan army to take bioware ! Where's ourrrrrrrrrrrr bloody enemyssssssss!!!! ha ha! SEND US ALLIES OR MEAT TO KILL!!!!!

[angry_peon]

According to someone else in this thread this is NOT entirely correct. Apparently you can save the Rachni Queen from indoctrination, if you saved her in ME1, and gain the Rachni as allies, while Rachni-killers have to beat the same Rachni-Husks (no queen though, as the Reapers used DNA to craft Rachni instead) but gain nothing.

[King Minos]

Revan had kids with Bastilla?!

[Nohvarr]

Varhjhin wrote...

According to someone else in this thread this is NOT entirely correct. Apparently you can save the Rachni Queen from indoctrination, if you saved her in ME1, and gain the Rachni as allies, while Rachni-killers have to beat the same Rachni-Husks (no queen though, as the Reapers used DNA to craft Rachni instead) but gain nothing.

That'll work.

[Candidate 88766]

SPOILERS

TomHark wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Hahaha this is hilarious. You guys act like the OP is trolling then mention the Rachni, one of the biggest choices that has NO RELEVANCE AT ALL! LOL!.

**SPOILER ALERT!**

If you saved the Rachni, its Indoctrinated!
If you killed the Rachni, the Reapers find ANOTHER Rachni Queen, and its Indoctrinated!
It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.


**END SPOILERS**



You guys are so quick to accuse the OP, I can't wait until the game comes out and suddenly you agree with him.

Are people still spreading this misinformation?  As I stated on the similar thread yesterday, the Reapers do NOT find another Rachni Queen.  They genetically engineer Rachni Husks and the mission to stop this still exists, but you can't rescue the queen and gain the Rachni as allies if she was killed on Noveria in ME1.

This deserves repeating.

While the story structure  will be the same in ME3 regardless of previous choices, the outcomes of many missions, like the example above, ARE affected by previous decisions.

For example, being as vague as possible, your decisions regarding Legion and Tali in ME2 have significant conseuqences on one of the main story arcs of the trilogy.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

There's vague mention of how they use repurposed the Baby Reaper itself (it's underwhelming), but as of yet no clear consequence in regards to Cerberus's abilities. The Cerberus army rises regardless, for example.

What a pity. Well here’s hoping that at least a few of the more *ahem* significant choices of the first two games aren't rendered completely moot also.

I keep the door open for improvement. It could change: the leak was hardly a finished product, and there was nothing denying the ability for further additions.