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#76
Mr. MannlyMan

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Ashley_SR2 wrote...

You have to understand that it is a goal of marketing to leave an impression in people's heads. What is a good way to create brand familiarity? Have a spokesperson (man or woman) that is used consistantly across the franchise. You can see Shepard and know instantly that it is Mass Effect.


That doesn't mean they can't also produce a femShep trailer and continue marketing Sheploo as the trilogy's main icon. The purpose behind releasing a femShep trailer would be to raise interest among casual female gamers, and also hype female players who may have played ME1/2, enjoyed them, but haven't been stimulated by ME3's marketing in any meaningful way (so no word-of-mouth is being generated there).

Another example - You are walking in the mall and pass the Gaming store, you see a lifesize cutout of Shepard - You know right away it's Mass Effect. Let's say you loved ME1 or 2 but you haven't followed the franchise since, that one image will tell you that there is something new related to Mass Effect. You see the same face on commercials, web ads, posters and other media. Then when you are searching for a game down the road, you see the same face on a box and you recognize it right away. Getting someone to look at your product is the hardest part.


So focus on Sheploo, but make it known loud and clear that there's also a female option on offer. There is no good reason why Bioware is opting to hide such a tantalizing feature from girl gamers. Look at the marketing for ME1, 2 and 3. Going on all of the promotional material that Bioware has put out for the trilogy, FemShep is practically a ghost feature; you'd have to do some research or play the demo before you'd even know she exists, but there's nothing on the surface of ME3's mainstream marketing that even hints at the option to play as a woman. Holly Conrad probably does a better job of promoting femShep than Bioware's own marketing team does, and even that's not saying much.
<_<

This isn't just a problem with Bioware, though; it's a problem with the industry. Nearly every game that includes the option to play as a woman is marketed as having a male protagonist, and almost every exception involves the female character being marketed as a sexified bombshell appealing to, yet again, male tastes. It's insanity. It's almost like the industry doesn't care how big the market for female gamers is, or they just assume right off the bat that it must be too small to make any kind of impact.

I'd really like to see their research on that.

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dcwarnow wrote...

Why not showcase both of them?


Resources. And I'm sorry but while I love femshep this is really nitpicking. 

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successful troll...

But the male shepard looks nothing like my Shepard so I fail to see  your point

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Shepard is a human so Bioware must be specieist!
/sarcasm
These threads are really getting annoying.
Just because they only show Sheploo does not mean they hold negative sentiment toward custom Shepards; same goes for the male/female thing. They need to stick with one and only one Shepard for the trailers.
Please don't be offended by it.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Isabela is not black.

...Dark skinned?

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I always thought you were an androgynous asian guy. Boy was I way off.

You and Dean are so mean.

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Come on.....

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Bah, FemShep would probably break a fingernail and start crying. This is for manly men with chest hair, not a Disney's princess.




*flame shield equiped*

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BluSoldier wrote...

Shepard is a human so Bioware must be specieist!
/sarcasm
These threads are really getting annoying.
Just because they only show Sheploo does not mean they hold negative sentiment toward custom Shepards; same goes for the male/female thing. They need to stick with one and only one Shepard for the trailers.
Please don't be offended by it.

Aliens don't exist in real life. I am not offended, as I said I am male and white. I am just saying that if someone raises this kind of point like the OP (or me in this thread) then they actually have a point. But not going to dwell on it because it's not like something's going to change, or that I gain anything of it. So ... whatever.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 janvier 2012 - 01:58 .


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AgitatedLemon

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Aliens don't exist in real life


How many planets have you been to?

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AlexXIV wrote...

You said you're black and don't care what color the protagonist is. So why does it matter what color the majority of their market is?


I personally don't care. EA and BW DO care, though, because they're trying to make money.

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Manshep is the only real soldier, though. Femshep should realistically stay behind friendly lines to breed more future soldiers.

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AlexXIV wrote...

Aliens don't exist in real life.


The little grey guy staring at me through the window begs to differ.

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GodWood wrote...
...Dark skinned?

Sure, but not black. Definitely not black.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I always thought you were an androgynous asian guy. Boy was I way off.

You and Dean are so mean.

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She totally does not look like a dude.

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AlexXIV wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Is there enough racial/sexual diversity in games? No..

Does the lack of diversity equate to racist, sexist, etc? No.

But should there be diversity? Yes.

And in your opinion, what is the reason for the lack of diversity?


Business and marketing. 

A majority of high-profile games are developed in the West hence why there's a PREFERENCE in making Caucasian protagonists. 

Is it a problem? Yes

But is it based on racism? Nope.. 

I honestly don't think Asian making Asian protagonist or Caucasian making Cacausian protagonist is a racist thing. :P

That's like saying Avatar: The Last Airbender is racist for portraying only Asians. :huh:

When the gaming markets stretches beyond the West and when the gaming industry develops beyond America, you'll see your diversity soon enough. 

Modifié par Savber100, 05 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .


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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Manshep is the only real soldier, though. Femshep should realistically stay behind friendly lines to breed more future soldiers.


Oh wow. Nice one. THAT won't light any fires...

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@AlexXIV

You do realize that two of the most important human NPCs(Udina and Anderson) in the game are of darker complexion right? I can only think of two more important than them Hackett and TIM.

Modifié par strive, 05 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .


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AgitatedLemon wrote...


Aliens don't exist in real life


How many planets have you been to?

Point being, no aliens will be offended. How old are you? Because you brought up the Rapper example before and I just had to facepalm at the ignorance and actual irony of your statement.

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mauro2222 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Aliens don't exist in real life.


The little grey guy staring at me through the window begs to differ.





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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Manshep is the only real soldier, though. Femshep should realistically stay behind friendly lines to breed more future soldiers.


Oh wow. Nice one. THAT won't light any fires...

I think most people will realize that's just Kaiser being himself, and not worry about it.

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AlexXIV wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...


Aliens don't exist in real life


How many planets have you been to?

Point being, no aliens will be offended. How old are you? Because you brought up the Rapper example before and I just had to facepalm at the ignorance and actual irony of your statement.


Just like how no women will be offended by this (Except maybe the dumb terror-feminists).

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Manshep is the only real soldier, though. Femshep should realistically stay behind friendly lines to breed more future soldiers.


This is a quality troll.  I disaprove of trolling, but as trolling goes you get a 9/10 for that one.

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Yeah they did say they were going to do a femshep trailer =S
@Mr. MannlyMan, yeah when i went to play ME1 the only reason I knew femshep was an option was because I researched it before I played it so she could definately use at least a little bit of marketing.

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strive wrote...

@AlexXIV

You do realize that two of the most important human NPCs(Udina and Anderson) in the game are of darker complexion right? I can only think of two more important than them Hackett and TIM.

Lol can you imagine what would happen if they had no black or asian looking people at all in a franchise like ME? So basically yeah, you got a point there, that's pretty much an excuse though. You can as well mention that Anderson is going to be a companion in ME3 ... for like 5 minutes.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Aliens don't exist in real life.


The little grey guy staring at me through the window begs to differ.




Ugg, I hate that deformed thing... It haunted my dreams when I was 7.

Modifié par mauro2222, 05 janvier 2012 - 02:08 .


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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Sure, but not black. Definitely not black.

I doubt she was ever meant to comparable to an african woman sure (lacks the features). She's more like that gypsie woman from Quasimoto.

That's still some kind of ethnic though.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
She totally does not look like a dude.

You can never be too sure. I remember a time when I had the hots for Dead or Alive's Eliot.

Of all the characters to perv on I had to pick that one >.>