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[Inquisitor Recon]

Uh oh, another topic fast approaching FEMSHEP STRONG!!1 territory.

[Bananables]

S.A.K wrote...

Jexx21 wrote...

Shepard*

Wrex*

oh man i know this is way off-topic but thanks for that hahahahha

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

TS2Aggie wrote...

They're probably just taking their sweet time in releasing the femshep trailer in order to make sure it is damned good.

An encouraging thought.

Asch Lavigne wrote...

If they marketed a female main character from the beginning I wonder if people would think that Mass Effect or even Dragon Age was "girly."

I don't know about Mass Effect, but many gamers already think Dragon Age is girly because of the emphasis on romances.

[Chuvvy]

Once again the BSN is unable to identify a legitimate troll post.

[Aggie Punbot]

I prefer to think of it as the BSN taking a troll thread and perverting it into a legitimate discussion.

[jeweledleah]

nvm

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 janvier 2012 - 07:22 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

jeweledleah wrote...

nvm

The thread's subject line is somewhat subtle, no?

[Chuvvy]

TS2Aggie wrote...

I prefer to think of it as the BSN taking a troll thread and perverting it into a legitimate discussion.

That'sthe point of a troll post, to say something stupid like the op, then have people take it as an actual statment and argue about it. OP has done this semi succsesfully.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Slidell505 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I prefer to think of it as the BSN taking a troll thread and perverting it into a legitimate discussion.

That'sthe point of a troll post, to say something stupid like the op, then have people take it as an actual statment and argue about it. OP has done this semi succsesfully.

The point of a troll post is to prompt angry and infantile arguments, not reasoned discussion.

[JasonDaPsycho]

I wouldn't say it's sexist even though I'm a huge FemShep fan.

I think the appropriate way to word your complaint would be the promotions could be more feminist.

Being a guy isn't wrong after all.

[Aggie Punbot]

I keep reading the title of this thread as The Trailer is Sexiest.

[Bleachrude]

It's interesting about Dragon Age. There was NEVER a female warden portrayed either on art on in trailers.

classic white male protoganist, but DA:O is a game where to get ALL the possible endings, you HAVE to play a female. It's one of the reasons why I tend to envision the Warden, irrespective of origin or what actually happens killing the archdemon, as female.

[Lotion Soronarr]

For the love of...

No, it's not sexists....
Redicolous complaint is redicolous.

[Gotholhorakh]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Anything but a white human male would please me, really.

Ah, so you're expicitly OK with sexism and racism. Nice.

TS2Aggie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Uh.. hey!!! Pretentious 'tolerance and equality' jaggoffs!!

The
trailer is not made to champion tolerance and equality. The trailer is
made to get the game positive attention and MAKE MONNAH! I really don't
see how you could confuse the two.
...
Money > a misplaced sense of PC. Always!

There's
nothing 'misplaced' about the desire to see a female PC being
advertised in a game where it's an option to play as one.

...but there is something misplaced about wanting PCness in advertising, which was the point that was being made.

I think that the (not inconsiderable) spending power of young women is not in any way ignored by BioWare. Further, BioWare pretty much bends over backwards to let us all know that there is a place at the table in the BioWare feast for everyone, be they a teenager on their XBox enjoying their Christmas present, or a flirtatious black one-legged transgender lesbian dwarf firing up their laptop between meetings.

They probably don't make advertising and marketing decisions to hurt, offend or discriminate against anyone.

The only really sexist standpoint here is "THAT GENDER IS INCORRECT AND OFFENSIVE - BIOWARE MUST CHANGE IT TO THE CORRECT AND GOOD GENDER".

That is not a point I'm levelling at you specifically, but more of a general observation on the atmosphere and comments we get in these threads, because the irony is almost too much to bear.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 05 janvier 2012 - 10:49 .

[S.A.K]

So it show male Shepard? OP wants a trailer with gender neutral Shepard? WTF?!!?

[mybudgee]

UNIX SHEP!

[Merchant2006]

TS2Aggie wrote...

I keep reading the title of this thread as The Trailer is Sexiest.

It is. Cuz when I watch teh trailer I get moist.

[Gabey5]

the male version was chosen as the fact from the get go, its called brand recognition

[AlexXIV]

Gabey5 wrote...

the male version was chosen as the fact from the get go, its called brand recognition

And clearly it doesn't work with a female. Or latino, or asian, or black person. Ah I know, it was coincidence/random. They rolled a dice and it turned out that white male won. Like in DA:O. Like in DA2. Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

Also I really have to say this. There are many troll posts (probably one of two) in this thread, the OP is not one. It's a valid concern. More valid than most others I have seen on this forum. Fact is Bioware promised a femHawke trailer for DA2. It was pushed back until the game was released and we never got one. So about half a year ago (or longer) they said there would be a trailer featuring femShep. That was when ME3 was still supposed to be released in autumn. Now they pushed back the release half a year and still no trailer. And there won't be one. Game will be released once again without Bioware living up to their word.

Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire. Be it the desired consequences to choices or whatever. Granted, there are more imporant things like this. I am just saying the OP complaint is 100% valid. No matter how many people who are ok with racism and sexism disagree. I mean is it really a surprise that people are not overly bothered by such things if they are part of the majority who isn't affected at all? No, it isn't.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[Candidate 88766]

AlexXIV wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the male version was chosen as the fact from the get go, its called brand recognition

And clearly it doesn't work with a female. Or latino, or asian, or black person. Ah I know, it was coincidence/random. They rolled a dice and it turned out that white male won. Like in DA:O. Like in DA2. Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

Also I really have to say this. There are many troll posts (probably one of two) in this thread, the OP is not one. It's a valid concern. More valid than most others I have seen on this forum. Fact is Bioware promised a femHawke trailer for DA2. It was pushed back until the game was released and we never got one. So about half a year ago (or longer) they said there would be a trailer featuring femShep. That was when ME3 was still supposed to be released in autumn. Now they pushed back the release half a year and still no trailer. And there won't be one. Game will be released once again without Bioware living up to their word.

Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire. Be it the desired consequences to choices or whatever. Granted, there are more imporant things like this. I am just saying the OP complaint is 100% valid. No matter how many people who are ok with racism and sexism disagree. I mean is it really a surprise that people are not overly bothered by such things if they are part of the majority who isn't affected at all? No, it isn't.

I don't want to start an argument, but why do actually want the FemShep trailer?

You already know that she is going to be in the game, so her presence doesn't need to be advertised.
The choice between male and female is pretty much the first one you make, so awareness of the choice of gender isn't required.
She's not going to replace male Shepard in the main ME3 marketing, so its not going to subvert current marketing trends of having a white male protagonist.

The only reason I can think of is to see what she looks like after the changes they made, but seeing as a lot of people will end up using custom Shepards anyway that doesn't seem very important - a couple of screenshots would do the trick.

Don't get me wrong - it'd be nice to see a trailer of FemShep, but I just don't understand why its such a big deal. 

[nitefyre410]

AlexXIV wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the male version was chosen as the fact from the get go, its called brand recognition

And clearly it doesn't work with a female. Or latino, or asian, or black person. Ah I know, it was coincidence/random. They rolled a dice and it turned out that white male won. Like in DA:O. Like in DA2. Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

Also I really have to say this. There are many troll posts (probably one of two) in this thread, the OP is not one. It's a valid concern. More valid than most others I have seen on this forum. Fact is Bioware promised a femHawke trailer for DA2. It was pushed back until the game was released and we never got one. So about half a year ago (or longer) they said there would be a trailer featuring femShep. That was when ME3 was still supposed to be released in autumn. Now they pushed back the release half a year and still no trailer. And there won't be one. Game will be released once again without Bioware living up to their word.

Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire. Be it the desired consequences to choices or whatever. Granted, there are more imporant things like this. I am just saying the OP complaint is 100% valid. No matter how many people who are ok with racism and sexism disagree. I mean is it really a surprise that people are not overly bothered by such things if they are part of the majority who isn't affected at all? No, it isn't.

 


but there is always breathing mask  some can complain about...


I do see you're point -  what is frustracting at times is that most don't even want to have the conversation. As soon any of the ism are brought  in the picture.   We as gamers and almost any for that matter - get defensive.  No the Op is not  saying we are sexist for enjoying that trailer, no the op is not saying you are well.   Of course we can  blame a few parties one  Gaming Journalism(BAHAHAHAHA  oxymoron I know) even single thing is some kind of ism  and they are used as means to get people read  whatever  blog or site  thus raising hits and traffic. Secondly its peoples on natural defensiveness...  because this question and the over all discussion on how woman and minorities are  represented in games requires introspection and when  one does this they are bound to find things about themselves  they don't ... everyone in myself as well.

The hard truth as this all is that eventually video games  and we  the fans of these games are going to have tackle these issues. 

[Gotholhorakh]

AlexXIV wrote...

Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

"Surprise, surprise" sounds clever, It isn't rubbish because the BioWare forums and community are such a hotbed of sexism and racism. It's an orgy of discrimination and intolerance around here, yessirree.

AlexXIV wrote:
Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire.

...but be fair now, the thread didn't jump in with "BioWare broke a promise". The OP's message was "The Trailer is Sexist"  with a slight addition of "I found the male-only trailers boring".

Not "Are you OK with sexism and racism?". It ddn't ask this.

Not "BioWare broke a promise, do you care?". It didn't mention this.

Judging/gauging the intent behind people's responses after retrospectively changing what the OP said is impossible, right? RIGHT?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 05 janvier 2012 - 11:51 .

[AlexXIV]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the male version was chosen as the fact from the get go, its called brand recognition

And clearly it doesn't work with a female. Or latino, or asian, or black person. Ah I know, it was coincidence/random. They rolled a dice and it turned out that white male won. Like in DA:O. Like in DA2. Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

Also I really have to say this. There are many troll posts (probably one of two) in this thread, the OP is not one. It's a valid concern. More valid than most others I have seen on this forum. Fact is Bioware promised a femHawke trailer for DA2. It was pushed back until the game was released and we never got one. So about half a year ago (or longer) they said there would be a trailer featuring femShep. That was when ME3 was still supposed to be released in autumn. Now they pushed back the release half a year and still no trailer. And there won't be one. Game will be released once again without Bioware living up to their word.

Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire. Be it the desired consequences to choices or whatever. Granted, there are more imporant things like this. I am just saying the OP complaint is 100% valid. No matter how many people who are ok with racism and sexism disagree. I mean is it really a surprise that people are not overly bothered by such things if they are part of the majority who isn't affected at all? No, it isn't.

I don't want to start an argument, but why do actually want the FemShep trailer?

You already know that she is going to be in the game, so her presence doesn't need to be advertised.
The choice between male and female is pretty much the first one you make, so awareness of the choice of gender isn't required.
She's not going to replace male Shepard in the main ME3 marketing, so its not going to subvert current marketing trends of having a white male protagonist.

The only reason I can think of is to see what she looks like after the changes they made, but seeing as a lot of people will end up using custom Shepards anyway that doesn't seem very important - a couple of screenshots would do the trick.

Don't get me wrong - it'd be nice to see a trailer of FemShep, but I just don't understand why its such a big deal. 

I don't need a femShep trailer. But basically, my canon is femShep. And the way I see it Bioware is doing everything to make clear that Sheploo is the 'original' or 'canon' or whatever. It's not a big deal, mind you. I play Bioware games and RPGs in general long enough to know how they work. I just hate if someone, a female player, makes (imo) a valid complain and then a bunch of (probably male) trolls jump the thread and call her troll. If I had anything to say this thread would be heavily moderated, as many others in the BSN. These forums are simply too troll-friendly. That's my main concern really. OP had any right to post this, period. And people attacking her because of it (instead of discussing in a civil manner) are trolling.

To fix this Bioware merely need to stop using a certain character to promote their game. They could promote it using companions/squadmates or other NPCs. There is no need for Shep being in any trailers at all (at least not in person, with a face). They could just use the helmet like in the prologue of ME2. For example. But that's not what they doing. If you asked me, they deserve all the heat they get for making wrong choices in advertisement almost all the time. I love Bioware games so I am one of those who blame most of what is going wrong with their franchises (i.e. lower sales than Bethesda) on their marketing, rather than their games as such.

[AlexXIV]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Sorry but this threat isn't even about the question if it is racism/sexism. It is about the question if people are ok with it. For this thread I can easily gather that alot (too many imo) are quite fine with it. Surprise, surprise.

"Surprise, surprise" sounds clever, It isn't rubbish because the BioWare forums and community are such a hotbed of sexism and racism. It's an orgy of discrimination and intolerance around here, yessirree.

AlexXIV wrote:
Now most people here don't care about this trailer, which is why they don't care. But would it be ANYTHING else Bioware promised and didn't deliver the BSN would be on fire.

...but be fair now, the thread didn't jump in with "BioWare broke a promise". The OP's message was "The Trailer is Sexist"  with a slight addition of "I found the male-only trailers boring".

Not "Are you OK with sexism and racism?". It ddn't ask this.

Not "BioWare broke a promise, do you care?". It didn't mention this.

Judging/gauging the intent behind people's responses after retrospectively changing what the OP said is impossible, right? RIGHT?

The topic may be badly chosen. But I assume people did read the OP. Maybe I assume wrong.