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[Chromie]

Storm Farron wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

My guess is Storm Farron is referring to the art direction and color palette rather than the graphics of Witcher 2.

Then she/he must think alot of games have crappy graphics.

yes I do

So you want a game with only brown and red? Like Dragon Age 2? I love that Witcher 2 has a huge color palette.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

bussinrounds wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...
I guess someone's pretty new to the RPG scene.  Ever played a Goldbox game  ?   MANY WPGs used to be turn based before all this real time bs.
 RPGs are turn-based.
Computer RPGs are digital single-user emulations of an RPG experience.
Therefore, computer RPGs should be turn-based.
Case closed.

Perhaps this is a discussion better suited to a thread specifically created for the discussion of what should be considered an RPG but I must admit I do find your views on what an RPG should be rather backwards. Just because CRPGs were one way in the past does not mean that they should stay that way, as technology advances and technical limitations are not such a problem the RPG genre has expanded and just because some of these newer RPGs dont fit into your backwards views on what an RPG should be doesnt mean that they shouldnt be considered RPGs.

If you believe a roleplaying game should be about dice rolls and turn based combat then you have every right to hold onto that belief however I personally believe that you have lost sight of the experience RPGs were originally trying to capture.

   RPGs have adopted simplistic gameplay from games like Zelda
which was the kind of thing rpgs from 1990 to the early 2000's tried to evolve
from.

    I think we can actualy say that the genre has retroceded in terms
of quality of their gameplay models.
Why wont the world admit that it's nothing more then a bunch of greedy
companies who dont give a s**t about the games they create any more and only
worry about a list of qualities the game has for marketing value?

I think you're just stuck in the past.
Because as far as I know even the smaller studios out of Europe and Indie devs have ditched old RPG concepts.
Those qualities you're talking about are some of the ones that people  appreciate in games(not all of them of course)
Also that's a very ignorant statement saying that all devs care about isjust making profit(ok, Blizzard might be milking it but that's not the case with most of them). 

[bussinrounds]

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

Modifié par bussinrounds, 07 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[slimgrin]

What are my favorite? In no particular order:

-ME1
-ME2
-TW1
-TW2
-Fallout 3
-Skyrim

My least favorite, well, it's not a bad game...Ego Draconis. Talk about a load of potential wasted just so we could experience a cheap flight mechanic mid-game.This was a huge mistake imo, and the game could have been so much more if they took what made Divine Divinity great and expanded on it. They could have even kept it in isometric camera, like Blizzard did with Diablo 3 - a very wise decision. Instead they pissed it all away. I never finished the game. I never will.

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 janvier 2012 - 03:40 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

bussinrounds wrote...

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

It's called genre evolution, pretty much any gaming genre you can name has evolved in some way or another. It's everywhere too not just in games. For example, look at art.  Back in the 16th and 17th century we had the Renaissance art,  a couple of centuries later it was the Impressionists and then modern art in the 20th, and so on and so on. Same thing with music(which is another fantastic example), there's a lot of examples I can use here.
I am reminded of my dad (who grew up in 70s) hates modern music and most modern films(basically anything past the 80s and I often get annoyed at him for having such a narrow minded view.  It's a similar siutation with your argument, very narrow-minded.

[bussinrounds]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

It's called genre evolution, pretty much any gaming genre you can name has evolved in some way or another. It's everywhere too not just in games. For example, look at art.  Back in the 16th and 17th century we had the Renaissance art,  a couple of centuries later it was the Impressionists and then modern art in the 20th, and so on and so on. Same thing with music(which is another fantastic example), there's a lot of examples I can use here.
I am reminded of my dad (who grew up in 70s) hates modern music and most modern films(basically anything past the 80s and I often get annoyed at him for having such a narrow minded view.  It's a similar siutation with your argument, very narrow-minded.

  Music and movies do suck now.(for the most part)

  Alot of things are timeless, like chess, say.  How come that hasn't 'evolved' into something else ?

  Have you ever heard of the saying, 'don't try to reinvent the wheel' ?

[naughty99]

slimgrin wrote...

My least favorite, well, it's not a bad game...Ego Draconis. Talk about a load of potential wasted just so we could experience a cheap flight mechanic mid-game.This was a huge mistake imo, and the game could have been so much more if they took what made Divine Divinity great and expanded on it. They could have even kept it in isometric camera, like Blizzard did with Diablo 3 - a very wise decision. Instead they pissed it all away. I never finished the game. I never will.

Oh no, I just bought that one during the Steam sale. 

[AxecObl]

Favorite:
Mass Effect 1 & 2
Dragon Age: Origins & 2
Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
Alpha Protocol
Fable: The Lost Chapters
Fallout 1 & 2
The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind & Skyrim

Least Favorite:
Fallout 3 (it was just way too different from the originals & too similar to Oblivion. New Vegs was better, but still too different from the originals)
Two Worlds (horrible voice acting & boring gameplay)
Risen (I just couldn't get into it. I found the story boring)

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

It's called genre evolution, pretty much any gaming genre you can name has evolved in some way or another. It's everywhere too not just in games. For example, look at art.  Back in the 16th and 17th century we had the Renaissance art,  a couple of centuries later it was the Impressionists and then modern art in the 20th, and so on and so on. Same thing with music(which is another fantastic example), there's a lot of examples I can use here.
I am reminded of my dad (who grew up in 70s) hates modern music and most modern films(basically anything past the 80s and I often get annoyed at him for having such a narrow minded view.  It's a similar siutation with your argument, very narrow-minded.

  Music and movies do suck now.(for the most part)

  Alot of things are timeless, like chess, say.  How come that hasn't 'evolved' into something else ?

  Have you ever heard of the saying, 'don't try to reinvent the wheel' ?

basically you want the same game over and over and over and over and nothing should ever change sorry I don't buy it. Music is still great games are getting bigger and better and chess has been reinvented.. Where do you think Strategy games come from?

If everyone thought like you we would never move past pong.
Hell the guy who created Pong wouldn't have bothered cause we already have chess what else do we need? 

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Rockworm503 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

It's called genre evolution, pretty much any gaming genre you can name has evolved in some way or another. It's everywhere too not just in games. For example, look at art.  Back in the 16th and 17th century we had the Renaissance art,  a couple of centuries later it was the Impressionists and then modern art in the 20th, and so on and so on. Same thing with music(which is another fantastic example), there's a lot of examples I can use here.
I am reminded of my dad (who grew up in 70s) hates modern music and most modern films(basically anything past the 80s and I often get annoyed at him for having such a narrow minded view.  It's a similar siutation with your argument, very narrow-minded.

  Music and movies do suck now.(for the most part)

  Alot of things are timeless, like chess, say.  How come that hasn't 'evolved' into something else ?

  Have you ever heard of the saying, 'don't try to reinvent the wheel' ?

basically you want the same game over and over and over and over and nothing should ever change sorry I don't buy it. Music is still great games are getting bigger and better and chess has been reinvented.. Where do you think Strategy games come from?

If everyone thought like you we would never move past pong.
Hell the guy who created Pong wouldn't have bothered cause we already have chess what else do we need? 

That's a really good way of putting it Rockworm:)

[bussinrounds]

Rockworm503 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

   It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$.  What's so hard to understand about that ?

    I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

It's called genre evolution, pretty much any gaming genre you can name has evolved in some way or another. It's everywhere too not just in games. For example, look at art.  Back in the 16th and 17th century we had the Renaissance art,  a couple of centuries later it was the Impressionists and then modern art in the 20th, and so on and so on. Same thing with music(which is another fantastic example), there's a lot of examples I can use here.
I am reminded of my dad (who grew up in 70s) hates modern music and most modern films(basically anything past the 80s and I often get annoyed at him for having such a narrow minded view.  It's a similar siutation with your argument, very narrow-minded.

  Music and movies do suck now.(for the most part)

  Alot of things are timeless, like chess, say.  How come that hasn't 'evolved' into something else ?

  Have you ever heard of the saying, 'don't try to reinvent the wheel' ?

basically you want the same game over and over and over and over and nothing should ever change sorry I don't buy it. Music is still great games are getting bigger and better and chess has been reinvented.. Where do you think Strategy games come from?

If everyone thought like you we would never move past pong.
Hell the guy who created Pong wouldn't have bothered cause we already have chess what else do we need? 

  Wat ?  BSN really needs an ignore function.  Enjoy your virtual LARPing and gay elf sex, while i'm playing some real CRPGs.

Modifié par bussinrounds, 07 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[Rockworm503]

haha I love it.
Rather then even counter my argument.
IGNORE WHERE ARE YOU I NEED YOU!
*rolls eyes*

[bussinrounds]

Rockworm503 wrote...

haha I love it.
Rather then even counter my argument.
IGNORE WHERE ARE YOU I NEED YOU!
*rolls eyes*

  Your argument is s**t.  Reread some of my earlier posts.  I don't feel like going in circles.  I've made my points.

Edit:  Again, i'm not saying like games like these modern'RPGs' shouldn't exist at all.  But there should also be traditonal ones around too. 

Modifié par bussinrounds, 07 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

What's with all the IWD hate ? Oh yea, it had full party creation, so no romances. I forgot where i was for a second.

Heart of Winter is great. the original campaign has an utterly boring storyline which is comparable to neverwinter nights

     You ppl should just read some books instead, if an 'EPIC' story is ALL you want out of an RPG.   The somewhat tactical combat, atmosphere, difficulty, and monster encounters alone make IWD FAR better than NWN's sh***y OC.  (which has no full party control anyway)  

  You'd think we have a bunch of Jennifer Hepler clones around here.  Why have any gameplay ???

Same can be said about you.  Take turns reading a page its the same thing.  At least we're getting gameplay that isn't boring.
And I"m tired of this whole damn argument.
You insult anyone who thinks differently than you why should i take you seriously?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

bussinrounds wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...
I guess someone's pretty new to the RPG scene.  Ever played a Goldbox game  ?   MANY WPGs used to be turn based before all this real time bs.
 RPGs are turn-based.
Computer RPGs are digital single-user emulations of an RPG experience.
Therefore, computer RPGs should be turn-based.
Case closed.

Perhaps this is a discussion better suited to a thread specifically created for the discussion of what should be considered an RPG but I must admit I do find your views on what an RPG should be rather backwards. Just because CRPGs were one way in the past does not mean that they should stay that way, as technology advances and technical limitations are not such a problem the RPG genre has expanded and just because some of these newer RPGs dont fit into your backwards views on what an RPG should be doesnt mean that they shouldnt be considered RPGs.

If you believe a roleplaying game should be about dice rolls and turn based combat then you have every right to hold onto that belief however I personally believe that you have lost sight of the experience RPGs were originally trying to capture.

"the experience RPGs were originally trying to capture."

  Wat?  Have you even played any of Gygax's 1st edition modules ? 

     Video game RPGs have adopted simplistic gameplay from games like Zelda which was the kind of thing rpgs from 1990 to the early 2000's tried to evolve from.

    I think we can actualy say that the genre has retroceded in terms of quality of their gameplay models.   (THEY ARE GAMES BTW)

Why wont the world admit that it's nothing more then a bunch of greedy companies who dont give a s**t about the games they create any more and only worry about a list of qualities the game has for marketing value?

You simply dont get it do you? Yes we know Gygax's modules featured turn based combat and dice rolls but is that really what made them RPGs? It would seem that your view of what an RPG should be is limited to what was in the past but without questioning why they were can you really claim to know and understand the Role Playing genre?

bussinrounds wrote...

It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$. What's so hard to understand about that ?

I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

Now I dont know what exactly you and the "old school RPG heads" are fighting for but I am pretty sure it isnt Role Playing Games. That being said has it ever occured to any of you that whinging on an internet forum rarely changes anything? If you dont like the games currently being released today then why dont you actually do something about it? Rather than complaining to game developers about how they should be creating games that cater to your tastes rather than their own why dont you and these "old school RPG heads" get together and create something that does cater to your own tastes?

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

haha I love it.
Rather then even counter my argument.
IGNORE WHERE ARE YOU I NEED YOU!
*rolls eyes*

  Your argument is s**t.  Reread some of my earlier posts.  I don't feel like going in circles.  I've made my points.

  Again, i'm not saying like games like these modern'RPGs' shouldn't exist at all.  But there should also be traditonal ones also.

My point stands your entire argument goes on about how everything should be turned based.
THTHTHTTHTHTHTHT I say turned based is the most unattractive thing ever why shouldn't I get into this RPG scene?  Just because I don't love waiting for things to happen?
And you say my argument is S**t.

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...


  Why have any gameplay ???

Thats a very good point?
Why bother doing anything when your sitting there watching things happen for you?
I CLICKED X AND NOW BIG ANIMATION OF WHAT MY CHARACTER IS DOING
THATS AN RPG!!!!

Eh this threads gonna get locked.
Another argument over what an RPG is.
That never gets old. 

Modifié par Rockworm503, 07 janvier 2012 - 04:37 .

[bussinrounds]

If you want twitch gameplay and something awesome to happen every time you press a button, why don't you just play action games ? Some of them actually have good gameplay like Dark Souls.

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...

If you want twitch gameplay and something awesome to happen every time you press a button, why don't you just play action games ? Some of them actually have good gameplay like Dark Souls.

And yet thats an RPG
you're blowing my mind man.

[bussinrounds]

Rockworm503 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

If you want twitch gameplay and something awesome to happen every time you press a button, why don't you just play action games ? Some of them actually have good gameplay like Dark Souls.

And yet thats an RPG
you're blowing my mind man.

  Action/Adventure with RPG elements

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

bussinrounds wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

If you want twitch gameplay and something awesome to happen every time you press a button, why don't you just play action games ? Some of them actually have good gameplay like Dark Souls.

And yet thats an RPG
you're blowing my mind man.

  Action/Adventure with RPG elements

^ Zis

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...
I guess someone's pretty new to the RPG scene.  Ever played a Goldbox game  ?   MANY WPGs used to be turn based before all this real time bs.
 RPGs are turn-based.
Computer RPGs are digital single-user emulations of an RPG experience.
Therefore, computer RPGs should be turn-based.
Case closed.

Perhaps this is a discussion better suited to a thread specifically created for the discussion of what should be considered an RPG but I must admit I do find your views on what an RPG should be rather backwards. Just because CRPGs were one way in the past does not mean that they should stay that way, as technology advances and technical limitations are not such a problem the RPG genre has expanded and just because some of these newer RPGs dont fit into your backwards views on what an RPG should be doesnt mean that they shouldnt be considered RPGs.

If you believe a roleplaying game should be about dice rolls and turn based combat then you have every right to hold onto that belief however I personally believe that you have lost sight of the experience RPGs were originally trying to capture.

"the experience RPGs were originally trying to capture."

  Wat?  Have you even played any of Gygax's 1st edition modules ? 

     Video game RPGs have adopted simplistic gameplay from games like Zelda which was the kind of thing rpgs from 1990 to the early 2000's tried to evolve from.

    I think we can actualy say that the genre has retroceded in terms of quality of their gameplay models.   (THEY ARE GAMES BTW)

Why wont the world admit that it's nothing more then a bunch of greedy companies who dont give a s**t about the games they create any more and only worry about a list of qualities the game has for marketing value?

You simply dont get it do you? Yes we know Gygax's modules featured turn based combat and dice rolls but is that really what made them RPGs? It would seem that your view of what an RPG should be is limited to what was in the past but without questioning why they were can you really claim to know and understand the Role Playing genre?

bussinrounds wrote...

It's called catering to the non patient masses of today to make more $$$$$. What's so hard to understand about that ?

I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe I'm an oddity around these parts and your mainstream gaming forums, but there's alot of old school RPG heads that are still fighting the good fight right along side of me.

Now I dont know what exactly you and the "old school RPG heads" are fighting for but I am pretty sure it isnt Role Playing Games. That being said has it ever occured to any of you that whinging on an internet forum rarely changes anything? If you dont like the games currently being released today then why dont you actually do something about it? Rather than complaining to game developers about how they should be creating games that cater to your tastes rather than their own why dont you and these "old school RPG heads" get together and create something that does cater to your own tastes?

I have to agree with this

[DragonRageGT]

OP must be drunk in cachaça to say anything like that about The Witcher 2. Bad story? Bad Graphics? Bad Characters? ... hmm... you're not this guy playing are you? Because this guy must really really hate The Witcher 2!

The Witcher 2 - This guy sucks dogs ball! Is this Yahtzee playing? HD

Favourite:
The Witcher 1 & 2
TES V - Skyrim
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 1 & 2
Baldur's Gate 1& 2
Gothic 1, 2 & 3
Risen
Neverwinter Nights (Online Permanent Worlds - RP servers)

Worst:
Dungeon Lords
Arcania

(Why on Earth you guys keep calling Arcania as Gothic? It is NOT Gothic. Risen is Gothic. Arcania just kept the title because of contract and it will be back to Piranha Bytes soon, thanks the Maker! =)

[Rockworm503]

bussinrounds wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

If you want twitch gameplay and something awesome to happen every time you press a button, why don't you just play action games ? Some of them actually have good gameplay like Dark Souls.

And yet thats an RPG
you're blowing my mind man.

  Action/Adventure with RPG elements

RPG with Action/Adventure elements