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[Andarthiel_Demigod]

In Exile wrote...



Right, I get it now. I actually agree with you. TES games don't work for me for precsely this reason. I simply do not enjoy first person melee fantasy.

You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

[In Exile]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

I'm aware. You can do that in every TES game out there. It doesn't play like a good 3rd person game. Especially in melee. It's terrible gameplay that.

[blothulfur]

Favourite: Ultima 7. Still unbeaten and proof that you can have story and sandbox in the same game, utterly enthralling from start to finish.

Hated: Dragon Age 2. Illogical, poorly implemented, mawkishly over sentimental, and harmful to the genre as a whole. A barely interactive combat and conversation simulator that cannot be saved even by the Arishok, one of the best written and most original antagonists that the Qun has seen fit to grace us with.

[Laser Beam]

In Exile wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

I'm aware. You can do that in every TES game out there. It doesn't play like a good 3rd person game. Especially in melee. It's terrible gameplay that.

I prefer in third person now that they added a cross hair. Also the animations a leagues better. First person looks like floating camera.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

In Exile wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

I'm aware. You can do that in every TES game out there. It doesn't play like a good 3rd person game. Especially in melee. It's terrible gameplay that.

Oh well, each to their own I guess

[Gatt9]

Favorite:  Fallout 2

Least Favorite:  Oblivion

@In Exile

I can understand your point,  as I have tried to go back and play my old favorites,  and I just can't play alot of the old C64 era RPGs anymore.  But they did have some innovative ideas the industry should be looking at...

Bard's Tale - Spellcasters that evolve as you level,  allowing you to "Switch" classes to gain more power,  but make the choice of class crucial especially at the begining.

Ultima 4 - Hidden spell components that lock out certain spells until discovered.

Might & Magic 1 & 2 - The hidden ways to boost stats and hitpoints,  with incredible power levels,  and you still find encounters that wipe you out in moments.  Magic items with secret powers.

Might & Magic 6+ - The superior way to design an open world,  with dungeons littering the landscape that actually have reasons for you to explore.  Random Artifacts.

And of course...

Nethack - THIS is the way to design a randomized RPG.  How this game has not been given a modern graphics engine I do not know.  It's literally one of the best games ever made,  and it's interface is a huge huge roadblock for people to experience it.

[Splinter Cell 108]

My favorite is Mass Effect, my most hated is Fallout 3. Fallout 3 was ridiculous IMO, the story was terrible, it was nothing more than a combination of Fallout 1 and 2's stories, the factions if you can even call them factions weren't that great. Finally there was the bugs, the game was always crashing and freezing all the time. Its too bad that Obsidian isn't going to develop the next Fallout, I prefer them over Bethesda any day.

[Elhanan]

In Exile wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

I'm aware. You can do that in every TES game out there. It doesn't play like a good 3rd person game. Especially in melee. It's terrible gameplay that.

Sorry, but as one that plays almost entirely in 3rd person, and has not played any prior TES games, Skyrim has terrific gameplay mechanics, including the ability to switch to 1st person for those that prefer it.

[Vaeliorin]

In Exile wrote...
Right, I get it now. I actually agree with you. TES games don't work for me for precsely this reason. I simply do not enjoy first person melee fantasy.

That's a part of my problem with TES games as well.  The other is the dungeons that seem largely pointless (the lack of difficult fights or interesting story in many/most of them is a huge turnoff for me.)

From a combat perspective, I see what you're saying. And I almost agree. The thing is, there's just no value in a created party for me. It takes away so many other features I enjoy from an RPG that it makes the game unplayable (and, no, romance is not one of those).

Most of the games that have self-created parties I play solely for the story and combat.  It's like an adventure game with fun combat.  I will have little bouts of role-playing in them (particularly Wizardry games...they have the best voice snippets that the characters will say randomly that tend to fire my imagination) but I tend not to really play them as role-playing games.

I'd have to play them to see.

Of course.

Heroes of MM type gameplay is my favourite. By far. Without equal.

I think the last Heroes game I played was 3.  The gameplay was fun at the time, but the lack of options other than attack kind of bores me when I try to play such games nowadays.

But if you like Heroes of MM gameplay, I'd suggest you try out the King's Bounty titles if you haven't.

That's how I used to use it. Sylvius convinced me otherwise.

I can certainly see Sylvius's point.  I just haven't really incorporated that definiton into my personal lexicon yet.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Vaeliorin wrote...

In Exile wrote...
Right, I get it now. I actually agree with you. TES games don't work for me for precsely this reason. I simply do not enjoy first person melee fantasy.

That's a part of my problem with TES games as well.  The other is the dungeons that seem largely pointless (the lack of difficult fights or interesting story in many/most of them is a huge turnoff for me.)

I think you're thinking of Oblivion. No dungeon in Skyrim is pointless, they either have a quest relating to them or a Dragon Shout (or both)
Lack of difficulty? Try playing it anything above normal, no walk in the park. 

[Costin_Razvan]

 Favorite ( series and games ): 

Witcher: "I'm no avenger of orphans, no executioner of Ralher. I'm a witcher." - Geralt of Rivia.





The ultimate RPG experience in my books, excellent dark gritty story with strong choices and consequences, engaging and challenging combat system and amazing graphics ( the last two only for The Witcher 2 )

Alpha Protocol: "So, I don't need you anymore. I can make my own Halbech then I can make the world any way I want."




Mike Thorton as he prepares for his coup de grace.

Alpha Protocol has a game that looks outdated on graphical level, with an art design that barely gets a good rating. A combat system that has more imbalances then a three wheeled car but what it does is a one of a kind thing in video games, something that not even the Witcher games can match: The ability for the player to get strongly rewarded for his intelligence

Alpha Protocol's plot isn't amazing but what it offers is choice and consequence on a whole new level. The story is your PC, Mike Thorton, fighting a PMC group, but at the end of the game you get a choice to join them provided you have impressed their leader throughout the game via your actions your dialogue choices with him. You can then join him and betray him, taking over the PMC group and ultimately ruling the world from the shadows. As in becoming the Illusive Man, but a more badass, charming, intelligent version of TIM. The best part is that this ending accounts for ALL your choices in the game and you can only get if you were smart enough.

The video bellow shows that ending in all it's glory.

The Awesomeness of Alpha Protocol

Hated:

Dragon Age series ( exception being Awakening ).

Origins had a cliche plot, a Universe that was not interesting to me at all, pathetic characters for the most part ( with a few special exceptions ).

DA2 sucked on almost every level, Graphics, Combat, Plot, Characters, Story.

I've spent hundreds of hours playing DA:O and DA2, I feel I wasted my time.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh in regards to Skyrim. I feel it has quite a bit to offer, but it's main story sucks, it's combat sucks and offers no challenge ( and I've FINISHED it on master ). It's graphics suck, since they had to pay somehow for that massive world.

[Eski.Moe]

> Hates a game series. Bashes characters, world and story.
> Plays it for hundreds of hours.

[DragonRageGT]

In Exile wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
You know you can  switch to 3rd person, right?
I use it all the time because my characters look awesome.

I'm aware. You can do that in every TES game out there. It doesn't play like a good 3rd person game. Especially in melee. It's terrible gameplay that.

Since Morrowind, I could never play TES games in FPS. Only 3rd person works for me and, well, the gameplay is awesome. More so in Skyrim and my specialty is melee characters! =P

[Eski.Moe]

Skyrim is the first ES that has coaxed me into playing 3rd person (although I still prefer 1st person). Oblivion's was just too bad and awkward for me to really get into it. I hated the jumping animation among other things so I just stuck to 1st all the way through.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Hated:

Dragon Age series ( exception being Awakening ).

Origins had a cliche plot, a Universe that was not interesting to me at all, pathetic characters for the most part ( with a few special exceptions ).

DA2 sucked on almost every level, Graphics, Combat, Plot, Characters, Story.

I've spent hundreds of hours playing DA:O and DA2, I feel I wasted my time.

While everyone is entitled to their own opinion I must admit I am quite puzzled by your post, not for the fact that you dislike the Dragon Age series but more because you consider Awakening to be the exception. While I diddnt exactly hate Origins I diddnt think it was that great either however I really did not like Awakening at all, I will even go so far to say that I even felt that Awakening sucked far more than Dragon Age 2 ever did. I must admit I am curious to know what exactly was it about Awakening that redeemed itself in your eyes where the rest of the series failed?

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 08 janvier 2012 - 02:06 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I liked each and everyone of the companions in Awakening and how you had to work to earn their trust unlike Origins where you just piled gifts on them. I liked the portrayal of the Architect a lot, meaning that not all Darkspawn are mindless brutes. I liked the way you could handle Amaranthine as a politician and military commander and I did like the various locations, the lore behind them, the boss fights ( well some of them, like that Bone Dragon ). I liked the new talents.

What I didn't like was the zero challenge it offered if you imported a reasonably high level warden from Origins.

[Elhanan]

While I preferred the Darkspawn of DAA, the remaining DA series was superior, IMO.

I save my so-called hatred of games for those that are not worth any of my time; let alone hundreds of hours.

[Costin_Razvan]

That means I played DA:O 5 times and DA2 twice, that's really not saying much for an RPG, but with an Average 50-60 hours per playthrough it does mean hundreds of hours.

I'd argue that a true opinion of game can only be gained once you've spent that much time in it.

On contrast though. I've spent roughly 80-100 hours on each of my Witcher 1 playthrough, and I completed it 3 times. For Witcher 2 I spent over 400 hours in it.

I replayed Mass Effect 1 over 4 times and Mass Effect over 15 times ( would have added the series to my list but thought 2 games was worth it ).

As for Alpha Protocol. It takes 8 hours to finish it, but I did so five times. I don't like playing it that much due to a very imbalanced combat system.

As for DA:O and DA2 being superior. In what regards? Combat? It was **** all around ( even DAA is **** ). Story? LOL. ( I fall down laughing at saying that DA2 even had a story, as for that cliche bull**** DA:O had, no thank you )

[Elhanan]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

That means I played DA:O 5 times and DA2 twice, that's really not saying much for an RPG, but with an Average 50-60 hours per playthrough it does mean hundreds of hours.

I'd argue that a true opinion of game can only be gained once you've spent that much time in it.

On contrast though. I've spent roughly 80-100 hours on each of my Witcher 1 playthrough, and I completed it 3 times. For Witcher 2 I spent over 400 hours in it.

I replayed Mass Effect 1 over 4 times and Mass Effect over 15 times ( would have added the series to my list but thought 2 games was worth it ).

As for Alpha Protocol. It takes 8 hours to finish it, but I did so five times. I don't like playing it that much due to a very imbalanced combat system.

As for DA:O and DA2 being superior. In what regards? Combat? It was **** all around ( even DAA is **** ). Story? LOL. ( I fall down laughing at saying that DA2 even had a story, as for that cliche bull**** DA:O had, no thank you )

I do not have to eat an entire meal of liver and sauerkraut to know I dislike them; usually the smell of it tells enough, but I have tried them out of respect for the chef.

I have over a score of Wardens from DAO in a full solid year of play while waiting on my NWN1 fixes to appear.And 300-400 hours of DA2.

OTOH, the aroma that is TW keeps me from trying it, as I dislike the general scent, and I do not even know the cook.
Or in this case, the profane seasoned cuisine some call great writing. Pass.

To be fair, this is also the main reason I was able to only play ME2 a single time after just finishing ME1 in multiple runs. Plus I also hate running over discarded ammo clips to reload a weapon; makes little sense, and ruins any sense of urgency. For these reason, I cancelled my ME3 pre-order; to wait and see what will appear in the final appearance of Shepard. But I digress....

Combat in DAO was terrific for me; loved the Death Blow animations. And I enjoyed the greater freedome to play Archers with Heavy armor, Mages with weapons and helmets, and Warriors that could also utilize a longbow. Still, DA2 was also enjoyable, as I liked the newer staff motions, spell tiers, and full VO.

And the writing of all is superb. Love to hate Loghain and Bhelen, and adore Lelianna; wanted a romance with Aveline, but had to live with heartache. Wanted to laugh with Anders, then grieve while I killed him. The dialogue of some characters became a part of my own speech. Wonderful work!

But I still like saving the world or a single city, and occasionally the galaxy; no need for a new tire when the other is still running smooth .While I am not fond of the dialogue in Skyrim, the gameplay is outstanding, and the graphics have been quite breathtaking at times. Well worth my time and investment, like so many others.

Modifié par Elhanan, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:41 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Games are not food. Your opinion as someone who hasn't played the Witcher games is just as irrelevant as someone who didn't finish DA2, or only finished it twice.

[Elhanan]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Games are not food. Your opinion as someone who hasn't played the Witcher games is just as irrelevant as someone who didn't finish DA2, or only finished it twice.

Perhaps, but it is also as valid (or irrelevant) as yours.

[slimgrin]

Elhanan wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Games are not food. Your opinion as someone who hasn't played the Witcher games is just as irrelevant as someone who didn't finish DA2, or only finished it twice.

Perhaps, but it is also as valid (or irrelevant) as yours.

Not really, since he at least played the games. And this:


"OTOH, the aroma that is TW keeps me from trying it, as I dislike the general scent, and I do not even know the cook.
Or in this case, the profane seasoned cuisine some call great writing. Pass."

Gimmie a break dude..

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:26 .

[bussinrounds]

AlanC9 -

"Note that pre-3.0 versions of D&D were not turn-based in this sense, so it's not strictly correct to think of this as a one-way movement from turn-based to RTWP. The IE engine  (the E in IE means "engine" -- duh) did D&D far better than the Gold Box engine did."

Modifié par bussinrounds, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:33 .