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[implodinggoat]

didymos1120 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

If Kaiden or Ashley try to give my Shep a single order then I'm kicking their ass off my ship.

If they want to make an issue of it then I'll throw their ass off my ship in a body bag. Seriously after the **** they said on Horizon I'm not even sure I want them tagging along.

Oh, for Christ's sake. Did people sign some sort of contract obliging them to make at least one post about how much law they're gonna lay down in every single "Virmire Survivor is a Spectre/got promoted" thread?

Nope, just still pissed about getting told off by them on Horizon.

Mass Effect 2 made me sit there and take it while one of my subordinates decided that it was appropriate to call me a traitor mere minutes after I had saved their life (for the second time) and the lives of half the colony which they were supposed to be protecting.

Mass Effect 3 owes me a chance to tell them to go **** themselves.

[didymos1120]

Well, they weren't your subordinate anymore, so it's not like they were obligated to seek permission to speak freely. In fact, one of 'em would have outranked you even had you been in the Alliance.

[Pax of Doom]

implodinggoat wrote...
PS:  On a side note, how the hell did Kaiden or Ashley get a promotion after the way they botched Horizon? 

I mean half the colony got abducted because their incompotent asses couldn't get the guns on line and they along with the rest of the colony would have been liquified if Shepard hadn't stepped in.

So why in the blackest reaches of hell would Shepard deserve a promotion
for blowing up a relay and killing 300,000 civilain aliens, creating a
diplomatic fecal hurricane?

You could say it was VS's fault the guns weren't online, but then it wouldn't have been a problem if TIM hadn't lured the Collectors there, would it.  After all, other colonies didn't have their own guns or VS. Whose fault was Freedom's Progress, Tali?  What about other colonies,  Pressley?

[HBC Dresden]

Wait, I thought "Commander Shepard" was a rank all by itself?

yes, I'm joking, kinda, Shep is too awesome

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 06 janvier 2012 - 05:47 .

[implodinggoat]

Pax of Doom wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
PS:  On a side note, how the hell did Kaiden or Ashley get a promotion after the way they botched Horizon? 

I mean half the colony got abducted because their incompotent asses couldn't get the guns on line and they along with the rest of the colony would have been liquified if Shepard hadn't stepped in.

So why in the blackest reaches of hell would Shepard deserve a promotion
for blowing up a relay and killing 300,000 civilain aliens, creating a
diplomatic fecal hurricane?

You could say it was VS's fault the guns weren't online, but then it wouldn't have been a problem if TIM hadn't lured the Collectors there, would it.  After all, other colonies didn't have their own guns or VS. Whose fault was Freedom's Progress, Tali?  What about other colonies,  Pressley?

I didn't say Shepard deserved a promotion,  him/her being on trial for said act seems an appropriate place to start the game off.

Nor did I say that the Virmire Survivor deserves sole responsibility for what happened on Horizon.   The Collectors did the abducting and TIM instigated the situation by luring the Collectors there.  But; the fact of the matter is that their job was to get the guns online to defend the colony and they didn't get it done and as a result of that failure the colony was abducted.

They had a job to do and they didn't get it done even though Shepard managed to do the job in 5 minutes while fighting off a Praetorian.  Now I'm not sure if they neccessarily deserve to be court martialed; but they sure as hell don't deserve a promotion.

PS:  It is possible that TIM sabotaged the guns in order to make the Alliance seem powerless and Cerberus seem like the saviors of the galaxy.   It seems like a TIM sort of thing to do and it would certainly excuse the Virmire survivors inability to get the guns online (though not their disrespect for Shepard).

However; that theory is speculative and unproven although it would be a neat little plot twist for ME3, particularly if it came up at Shepard's trial.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

With the Alliance on the Council now, Shepard still outranks everyone due to the Spectre status. And for those who didn't get their status reinstated, then it doesn't matter since everyone would defer to Shepard's judgement on matters involving Reapers.

[Bekkael]

Kaidan stated in ME1 that he enjoyed serving under Shepard. I doubt that sentiment has changed. If anything, that feeling has probably only increased during their separation.

[Ryzaki]

I am kind of wondering what exact the VS did to get so many promotions. Must've been something.

Either that or the alliance is getting desperate.

[DiebytheSword]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

With the Alliance on the Council now, Shepard still outranks everyone due to the Spectre status. And for those who didn't get their status reinstated, then it doesn't matter since everyone would defer to Shepard's judgement on matters involving Reapers.

Not getting your status back is just foolish, but I see why people didn't do it.  Freedom to do as you please card is always useful, even if you plan to stab them in their flabby backs at some point.

Spectre status means that the argument on who's ship it is are only marginally more important than the fact that the ships AI is likely loyal to Shepard and not the VS.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

That, too. EDI changes the whole ballgame.

Regardless, we all know that 83% of the time, people will defer to Shepard. And likewise, Shepard will go to other people on matters out of his or her comfort zone, thus negating the whole "you listen to me" thing this thread is based on.

Regardless of rank, Shepard is the best Alliance combatant and strategist out of the whole group.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah the second EDI was unshackled any debate of outranking Shep was thrown out the window.

The only person EDI will probably listen to over Shep is Joker and I don't see Joker siding with the VS over Shep.

So Shep wins by default.

[darthnick427]

that crater on virmire won't be doing anything to me lol

[Destroy Raiden_]

Ryzaki wrote...

I am kind of wondering what exact the VS did to get so many promotions. Must've been something.

Either that or the alliance is getting desperate.

I'm going to say the latter, once they let Conrad in standards were over.

[IllusiveMike]

ME1 already demonstrated that no one cares about Shep's rank. Shepard was under no obligation to respect the ADMIRAL that wanted to inspect the Normandy (not even a salute). CAPTIAN Anderson let Shepard decide whether to go through C-Sec or Udinia to release the Normandy's lockdown. ADMIRAL Hackett let Shepard decide whether the fifth fleet should hold back or save the council.

He transcends his rank and a promotion to another Alliance rank would be insulting. Oh, look, humanity's 3 time savior just got promoted to a captian, you're welcome Shep, I hope you're grateful.

Besides who really believes the V.S. has enough cajones to oppose Shep? Kaiden and Ashley wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't tagged along with Shep to stop Saren, they'll tow the line.

[DiebytheSword]

darthnick427 wrote...

that crater on virmire won't be doing anything to me lol

Did you manage to nuke them both or something, lol?  Ash would be the same rank as Shep.

[AlexXIV]

Shep's docking at the Citadel several times when the Ship's still got the Cerberus paintjob on it. Which is kind of ridiculous because even Jack recognized the ship for being Cerberus, so the Citadel control or whatever security they have would certainly know. So we can savely assume Shep had an official pass for the Normandy. Or don't you think? Which pretty much makes the Normandy Shep's ship. Not to mention Shep had the original Normandy already, which blew up. So basically Shep's saving them money so they don't have to get him/her a new ship.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

[Ryzaki]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I am kind of wondering what exact the VS did to get so many promotions. Must've been something.

Either that or the alliance is getting desperate.

I'm going to say the latter, once they let Conrad in standards were over.

I don't think they're quite that desperate yet.

Though part of me just wants to drag Conrad around everywhere just to laugh at him. Shep needs a good laugh now and then.

[didymos1120]

IllusiveMike wrote...

ME1 already demonstrated that no one cares about Shep's rank.

Shep could turn down the inspection because under Alliance regs, Mikhailovich actually had no authority to order an inspection. In the case of Anderson....dude: they were plotting MUTINY. Shep was not acting with Council authority, and Anderson was definitely not acting in his capacity as an Alliance officer. They were just a couple folk contemplating treason.  Rank did not remotely apply there. As for Hackett and the 5th Fleet, not a thing was said about Hackett having to obey Shep.  Hackett asked for Shep's judgment on what was the best course, because at that moment Shep was not only there, Shep was the de facto representative of the Citadel government.  The normal authorities were out of the loop.

Modifié par didymos1120, 06 janvier 2012 - 06:55 .

[AlexXIV]

Why shouldn't they take Conrad anyway? Because after the Reaper attack on Earth they look quite desperate to throw anything and anyone at the Reapers.

[IllusiveMike]

The point, however, is that his rank in no way affects how anyone treats him in the game. What makes you think Kaiden is going to pull rank now?

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...
Shep was the de facto representative of the Citadel government.  The normal authorities were out of the loop.

That's what being Spectre is all about or isn't it? They can't just take a Spectre's ship as if it is theirs. Especially if they didn't even build it and it is from the Terminus. Which is pretty much beyond everyone's jurisdiction. Also why even bother to discuss? As soon as you get into ME3 and the prologue is over the Normandy picks you up. Does it look to you like they arrested Joker and the rest of the crew?

[AlexXIV]

IllusiveMike wrote...

The point, however, is that his rank in no way affects how anyone treats him in the game. What makes you think Kaiden is going to pull rank now?

No he isn't doing it and he can't. Neither Ashley. If anything Shep's the senior Spectre anyway. And known for the fact that Spectres that cross him/her turn up dead btw.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 janvier 2012 - 07:03 .

[IllusiveMike]

AlexXIV wrote...

No he isn't doing it and he can't. Neither Ashley. If anything Shep's the senior Spectre anyway. And known for the fact that Spectres that cross him/her turn up dead btw.

Indeed.  I'm sure the VS has matured and all, but I don't see a break with their history from being commanded by Shep.  At most, there will be vocal questioning of your orders, which every squad mate has been doing since ME1 anyhow.

[Dariustwinblade]

Kaidan will be little boy and sit in the corner or else the ship is going to vent him out a window. If he steps a toe out of line.




Something he is going to inevitebly do in Me3.

[Gokuthegrate]

How could Kaidan order Shep around when she isnt even part of the Alliance?