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[jasonsantanna]

outlaw1109 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

@outlaw, the alliance is a combo of navy &marines thats why there is a commander rank

IIRC, Commander is a navy rank (am too lazy to look it up), but a few pages back someone suggested that Major wasn't a rank...I don't remember the context, but I was trying to point out that they are the same rank (even the insignia are the same) one is used by "ground forces" while the other is used by the Navy...

Ok. . . .

[seirhart]

if shepard got reinstated in me 2 shepard doesn't answer to the alliance shepard answers to the council as has been stated in both games. The Alliance confiscating the normandy which is a ship that a spectre uses is taking a council ship without authorization even if the alliance is part of the council. It also doesn't matter if it was built by humans once shepard became a spectre in the first one and again the second one if you choose to is a council ship no longer a human vessel and is violeting the council.

[DRACO1130]

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

If rank mattered, Shep would have ORDERED Ashley to rejoin him on The Normandy in ME2 not simply asked.
The fact that, as a Spectre, he COULD have done so but Bioware disallowed that option, really sucked.

Rank means Nada.

[jasonsantanna]

DRACO1130 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

If rank mattered, Shep would have ORDERED Ashley to rejoin him on The Normandy in ME2 not simply asked.
The fact that, as a Spectre, he COULD have done so but Bioware disallowed that option, really sucked.

Rank means Nada.

But during the events of ME2 Shep was no longer part of the Alliance . . . so he couldn't order her. . . but ask her instead. . . 

[seirhart]

jasonsantanna wrote...

DRACO1130 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

If rank mattered, Shep would have ORDERED Ashley to rejoin him on The Normandy in ME2 not simply asked.
The fact that, as a Spectre, he COULD have done so but Bioware disallowed that option, really sucked.

Rank means Nada.

But during the events of ME2 Shep was no longer part of the Alliance . . . so he couldn't order her. . . but ask her instead. . . 

that is correct shepard is no longer part of the alliance in two, shoot even hackett says in his own way for arrival that shepard is no longer part of the alliance.

What hackett says that he needs someone who isn't part of the alliance to go and free mrs kenson and that fits shepards perfectly because the alliance kicked him out of the alliance. Though they did want to arrest him/detain him but Hackett used his authority to shut all attempts to arrest shepard, the same can be said to anderson if he is a council member that anderson uses his authority to keep the council and the alliance away from shepard.

Now I don't know about if anderson is an admiral and udina is the council member so I can't say anything about that.

[hidden185]

 Personally I am not sure why it matters.

[bkjmaverick]

I dont see how Kaidens gone up 3 ranks in what.. 3 years? Seems rather unrealistic. Okay, I get a promotion to LTCDR after beating Saren and all, but then Staff CDR and Capt/Major? And shep gets nothing?? Even Ashleys gone from Gunnery Chief to Op Chief then a miraculous 4 jump in rank to LTCDR as well.. there practically giving them away. Is Joker an Admiral yet?

[outlaw1109]

seirhart wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

DRACO1130 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

If rank mattered, Shep would have ORDERED Ashley to rejoin him on The Normandy in ME2 not simply asked.
The fact that, as a Spectre, he COULD have done so but Bioware disallowed that option, really sucked.

Rank means Nada.

But during the events of ME2 Shep was no longer part of the Alliance . . . so he couldn't order her. . . but ask her instead. . . 

that is correct shepard is no longer part of the alliance in two, shoot even hackett says in his own way for arrival that shepard is no longer part of the alliance.

What hackett says that he needs someone who isn't part of the alliance to go and free mrs kenson and that fits shepards perfectly because the alliance kicked him out of the alliance. Though they did want to arrest him/detain him but Hackett used his authority to shut all attempts to arrest shepard, the same can be said to anderson if he is a council member that anderson uses his authority to keep the council and the alliance away from shepard.

Now I don't know about if anderson is an admiral and udina is the council member so I can't say anything about that.

Not so much "kicked out."  He was listed as K.I.A.  Which is why the SA wanted to bring him in.  To question him...and possibly arrest him for working with known terrorists.  Hackett stopped this, but I imagine he could only do this for so long before HIS higher ups started putting the pressure on...

Like I said before, it doesn't matter what rank Kaiden is, he'll be on Shep's boat, SA or not, and Shep's boat is shep's boat.

[Perpetually]

bkjmaverick wrote...

I dont see how Kaidens gone up 3 ranks in what.. 3 years? Seems rather unrealistic. Okay, I get a promotion to LTCDR after beating Saren and all, but then Staff CDR and Capt/Major? And shep gets nothing?? Even Ashleys gone from Gunnery Chief to Op Chief then a miraculous 4 jump in rank to LTCDR as well.. there practically giving them away. Is Joker an Admiral yet?

After you beat Saren, you may recall that you die. The Alliance lists you as K.I.A. and when you are resurrected, you are not only neck deep in Cerberus business, but you also never contact the Alliance about reinstatement (coincides with the Cerberus ties). There really was no time for Shepard to receive a promotion, let alone enough to outrank the VS.

And while Shepard has been dead for two years or so, I assume the VS has been at a lot of work. I'd assume they'd be promoted to Staff Commander after the Saren mess is cleaned up and shoved under the rug. I was unaware that the VS would become a Captain or a Major, but either way, Shepard really never had much of an opportunity to go through the hoops of becoming an Alliance officer once more, let alone earn promotions.

Though I would think that after all the crap you go through from Hackett, you'd get at least a gumball or something for the efforts. Those (bleep)ing threshers were everywhere on ME1...

[raist747]

Currently, it is possible in the US military to enter the Officer Ranks at O-3. However, that is done to my knowledge to medical personnel, who have a MD or a Doctorate to even qualify. I believe certain Engineering fields can do so too. One of my Former NCO's did not re-enlist, then came back in as a Captain when he got his PHD.

To could be a Wartime Promotion. Skipping up the ranks was very common in World War II when they were going through personnel like candy. That and the President can pretty much promote military personnel at will if he chooses to.

I think for Ash its the mix of a Wartime Promotion or a political promotion that followed after she became a SPECTRE to give her more leeway when dealing with other Alliance personnel. And like I said earlier, going from a Chef to a LT is more of a demotion that a promotion.

I can see it now.

Random Admiral: "Congratulations on your promotion Williams, you get to start at the bottom all over again! Now make me some coffee!"

Modifié par raist747, 07 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Hackett keeps you save from the Alliance.

[AlexXIV]

Perpetually wrote...

bkjmaverick wrote...

I dont see how Kaidens gone up 3 ranks in what.. 3 years? Seems rather unrealistic. Okay, I get a promotion to LTCDR after beating Saren and all, but then Staff CDR and Capt/Major? And shep gets nothing?? Even Ashleys gone from Gunnery Chief to Op Chief then a miraculous 4 jump in rank to LTCDR as well.. there practically giving them away. Is Joker an Admiral yet?

After you beat Saren, you may recall that you die. The Alliance lists you as K.I.A. and when you are resurrected, you are not only neck deep in Cerberus business, but you also never contact the Alliance about reinstatement (coincides with the Cerberus ties). There really was no time for Shepard to receive a promotion, let alone enough to outrank the VS.

And while Shepard has been dead for two years or so, I assume the VS has been at a lot of work. I'd assume they'd be promoted to Staff Commander after the Saren mess is cleaned up and shoved under the rug. I was unaware that the VS would become a Captain or a Major, but either way, Shepard really never had much of an opportunity to go through the hoops of becoming an Alliance officer once more, let alone earn promotions.

Though I would think that after all the crap you go through from Hackett, you'd get at least a gumball or something for the efforts. Those (bleep)ing threshers were everywhere on ME1...

Shep doesn't die after beating Saren. Shep dies on a mission to investigate Geth activity, which turned out to be a Collector trap. Then the Alliance didn't care enough about Shep or the Normandy to collect the wreck from the planet surface. Then they declare Shep dead without even having a body as evidence. Then Shep returns and actually contacts the Alliance and the Council at the first chance (after Omega). Then he/she gets leave to work with Cerberus to stop the Collectors. From Anderson and the Council. As long as he/she stays in the Terminus. Which he/she does. And Arrival is a mission that Hackett sends Shepard on. Which ends up with Shep blowing up a relay, that's right. But why did they send Shep in it anyway? Couldn't the Alliance have looked into it on their own? It was their dirty game to send Shepard so they have reason to complain how it ended? Screw it, I tell you this, my Shep is not going to take any more crap from the Alliance or Council. Not even Anderson or one of the VS. All my Shep ever did is working for these ****ers, so they better be grateful. Or they can see if they rather face the Reapers without Shepard's help.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .

[chaosomegas]

shepard listen to no one because he/she most skilled a soldier in galaxy shepard destroyed a mass relay, wipe out the collecters, stop Saren and Sovereign attack of the Citadel.
when galaxy needs impossible stuff done they call shepard end of story.
shepard is the Captain of The Normandy soon to be destroyer of reapers.

[didymos1120]

AlexXIV wrote...


Shep doesn't die after beating Saren. Shep dies on a mission to investigate Geth activity, which turned out to be a Collector trap.

Yes, and when did that mission occur?  After beating Saren. 

[KylieDog]

Not from the grave I always put him in he won't outrank her.

[Burneye Is God]

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

ash also out ranks sheps then lol

[jasonsantanna]

Burneye Is God wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

With Kadian being a Major now will dish out orders to Shep . . . ?
Will the story be different because he is a commanding officer now . . .?
Will he let Shep lead and be in command . . .?
Basically will it radically change the way the story is played out with him being ranking officer?

ash also out ranks sheps then lol

She should be the same rank as Shep now

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Shep doesn't die after beating Saren. Shep dies on a mission to investigate Geth activity, which turned out to be a Collector trap.

Yes, and when did that mission occur?  After beating Saren. 

That's not the point. The point is if after the Citadel there is enough time to assing Shepard to a new mission then there is also enough time for a promotion. I mean for all that is right and fair Shep would have deserved a vacation after the Citadel, and then afterwards maybe be assigned to other missions. So the point that he/she died right after fighting Saren didn't give the Council or Alliance enough time to honor Shepard's service is a bit of an asspull. Not to mention that honoring people posthumely isn't so uncommon either. Anyway, Shep got nothing. Which is not really much considering what he/she did. Everyone and their mom seem to have more respect for Shep than the Alliance and the Council.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 janvier 2012 - 04:47 .

[xantanos]

and if im not mistaken, some of you folks are correct in that it is shepards boat, thus sheps command. Still do not remove the fact that Kaidan outrank Shepard though. Meaning that kaidan could pull rank should he wish to. I rather doubt he would, but that is a another thing entirely.
On the other hand. Shepards status as a spectre, i think was revoked after he blew up 300 k batarians during me2. could be wrong tho.

[Banefully Yours]

Almighty necromancer, I bow to you.

[WarGriffin]

Kaidan isn't gonna pull rank unless shepard does something really really Amoral or shifty

Ashley on the other hand >.>

[eye basher]

A hero never takes orders from a sidekick Shepard=hero kaiden/ahsley=sidekicks.

[ChandlerL]

Y'all are overthinking this. First, Kaiden being a Major is the same rank as Lt. Commander Shepard-- they are part of different branches of the military, I assume, since the designated titles differ. Major is O-4 in the Army/Marine Corps. LCDR is O-4 in the Navy. That's if they've derived their lore from the U.S. Military.

If Bioware derived it from Canada, their home country, it is still the same.

However here's the more important point, I'm assuming Shepard is once again the Commanding Officer (CO) of the Normandy. That means he has ultimate command decision over that vessel- his rank is irrelevant. To be even more clear, on a ship, any officer more senior than the captain but not in the direct line of command is treated as an honored guest yet ignored when it comes to operational decisions.

The instances where this is not true is if the senior officer is in charge of the task force the captain's vessel is a part of or if the senior officer is Head of the Joint Chiefs of Command of the Armed Forces.

Finally, the senior officer may have shown up to relieve the Captain of his command in which case.. well... drama..
With all that said, if a more senior officer is aboard Shepard's vessel all honor and acoutrements would be given to the senior rank however command decision rests with the CO of that vessel. There is no way, as some have put it, to "pull rank." You'd have to relieve the CO of his command. More than likely, when this is done, the officer doing this doesn't "take command" but places the XO in charge. With that said, there is still politics, alas, in the military-- I'll just leave it at that.

Hope that helps.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 01 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[XDMMX]

VS tries to pull rank on my Shepard and ill execute there ass and throw them out the airlock.

[ChandlerL]

Random Admiral: "Congratulations on your promotion Williams, you get to start at the bottom all over again! Now make me some coffee!"

Would not be the bottom, since the lowest officer rank O-1 outranks all enlisted personnel. With that said this ex-Marine Officer would have been an idiot to ignore the advice of his Sgt. Major.