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[ChandlerL]

XDMMX wrote...

VS tries to pull rank on my Shepard and ill execute there ass and throw them out the airlock.

On your ship, they can't without relieving you of your command and have a cited article of command to do so.

Now when you're not on your vessel, well... drama...

[Indoctrinated Spectre]

Rank shouldn't matter that much in this situation, especially since Shepard's the Reaper Killer here. Anyway, I consider rank based on leadership skills and my second in command is Garrus ****ing Vakarian.

[ChandlerL]

bkjmaverick wrote...

I dont see how Kaidens gone up 3 ranks in what.. 3 years? Seems rather unrealistic. Okay, I get a promotion to LTCDR after beating Saren and all, but then Staff CDR and Capt/Major? And shep gets nothing?? Even Ashleys gone from Gunnery Chief to Op Chief then a miraculous 4 jump in rank to LTCDR as well.. there practically giving them away. Is Joker an Admiral yet?

ugh, you guys are still overdoing this and confusing your ranking structures. A Captain in the Navy is not equivalent to a Major in the Army. The equivalent rank in the Army would be a Colonel (aka full-bird). An Army/Marine Major (Kaiden/Ashley) is equivalent to a Navy Lt. Commander (Shepard).

Therefore, Kaiden, Ashley and Shepard are the same rank. Except Shepard is the Commanding Officer of the Normandy and that trumps all even if Kaiden and Ashley were a higher rank unless Shepard is relieved of command. See earlier post for more info

...... Navy .................... Army/Marine Corps
O-1 Ensign  ................. 2nd Lieutenant
O-2 LTJG ..................... 1st Lieutenant
O-3 Lieutenant ........... Captain
O-4 Lt. Commander …. Major
O-5 Commander ......... Lt. Colonel
O-6 Captain ................. Colonel

Here's something I think more worthy of discussion, however. It is customary for military personnel that are KIA (as Shepard was in ME2), certainly ones that have performed heroically as Shepard did, to be promoted in rank posthumously. Curious why that didn't happen.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 01 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[ChandlerL]

seirhart wrote...

if shepard got reinstated in me 2 shepard doesn't answer to the alliance shepard answers to the council as has been stated in both games. The Alliance confiscating the normandy which is a ship that a spectre uses is taking a council ship without authorization even if the alliance is part of the council. It also doesn't matter if it was built by humans once shepard became a spectre in the first one and again the second one if you choose to is a council ship no longer a human vessel and is violeting the council.

(ME1) The Normandy SR-1 was an Alliance vessel that became a council vessel and was (ME2) subsequently blown up.

(ME2) The Normandy SR-2 is a privately held civilian vessel of Cerberus.

(ME3) The Commanding Officer of SR-2 may have stolen this vessel and handed it to the Alliance military or the Alliance military built a c opy.

(ME3) Whether SR-2 is "commandeered" by a spectre and will, again, be considered a council ship remains to be seen. My guess is, no, since it is a time of war.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 01 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[Volumes]

Killed him on Virmire. Non-issue to me.

[ChandlerL]

Volumes wrote...

Killed him on Virmire. Non-issue to me.

Ashley/Kaiden are the same rank. It's a non-issue for you because the original post is inaccurate and they do not outrank Shepard. Which companion survived Virmire is irrelevant.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 01 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[casedawgz]

I would sincerely like to see Kaidan try. Shepard would just be like "lol no, go fix the glowy orange panel."

[Jedi31293]

I think Shepard's rank of "Cyber Jesus" trumps any rank in the Alliance or Council.

[DJStarstryker]

ChandlerL wrote...
Here's something I think more worthy of discussion, however. It is customary for military personnel that are KIA (as Shepard was in ME2), certainly ones that have performed heroically as Shepard did, to be promoted in rank posthumously. Curious why that didn't happen.

I imagine this is something that Anderson and Admiral Hackett would want to do for Shepard, as well. Good point.

[Camthalon]

From the ME1 Codex (sure it's been posted already, but I'm not scrolling through 16 pages):
ENLISTED

Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal
NCOs
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief
OFFICERS
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

Assuming the Shepard hasn't been promoted to Staff Commander yet, s/he would still be a Lieutenant Commander. HOWEVER, Shepard would still outrank Kaiden in two ways:

1. Seniority. He's been a Lieutenant Commander longer than Kaiden so he has it.
2. S/He is the Commanding officer/captain of the Normandy which Kaiden will be stationed on. This means Kaiden will be under Shepard's command.

[Banefully Yours]

Kaidan refers to Shepard as "Commander" or "Sir." While as Shepard always refers to Kaidan as, well, Kaidan. So I strongly believe the rank structure has been retconned.

[Aimi]

ChandlerL wrote...

ugh, you guys are still overdoing this and confusing your ranking structures. A Captain in the Navy is not equivalent to a Major in the Army. The equivalent rank in the Army would be a Colonel (aka full-bird). An Army/Marine Major (Kaiden/Ashley) is equivalent to a Navy Lt. Commander (Shepard).

Therefore, Kaiden, Ashley and Shepard are the same rank. Except Shepard is the Commanding Officer of the Normandy and that trumps all even if Kaiden and Ashley were a higher rank unless Shepard is relieved of command. See earlier post for more info

...... Navy .................... Army/Marine Corps
O-1 Ensign  ................. 2nd Lieutenant
O-2 LTJG ..................... 1st Lieutenant
O-3 Lieutenant ........... Captain
O-4 Lt. Commander …. Major
O-5 Commander ......... Lt. Colonel
O-6 Captain ................. Colonel

Here's something I think more worthy of discussion, however. It is customary for military personnel that are KIA (as Shepard was in ME2), certainly ones that have performed heroically as Shepard did, to be promoted in rank posthumously. Curious why that didn't happen.

If it's been said once, it's been said a thousand times: the Alliance does not use modern American military pay grades. It'd be nice if it did - the system would make more sense - but it doesn't.

In the Alliance structure, a "Major" is a field-grade officer equivalent to a Captain in the Navy. Majors are two grades higher than Lieutenant Commanders (the intervening grade is Staff Commander).

As per usual, here is a link to the Alliance's "military ranks [sic]" as they appear in the Codex.

As to your question about why Shepard was not granted a posthumous two-grade promotion - which is, yes, customary in modern militaries - the obvious answer is that "Commander Shepard" sounds much cooler than "Major Shepard" or "Captain Shepard". There is no real in-universe justification. There doesn't really need to be. The writers felt like fooling around with pay grades for kicks and giggles, and that's what they did.

It is possible that this structure has been retconned in the new game; we'll have to wait for the new Codex to find out.

Modifié par daqs, 01 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Banefully Yours]

Oh. And Ashley is referred to as "Lieutenant" although she's a Lieutenant-Commander.

[WarGriffin]

and if they do pull rank...

If your shepard is a biotic, your already stronger then Kaidan
If your not, your in trouble -Kaidan can hit you hard enough to shatter every bone in your body-... however not really Because all Kaidan will do is try to shot you, because despite the fact Ashley and Kaidan have very different backgrounds and fighting style...

BW treats them as interchangable in cutscenes, since ashley can only shot things, Kaidan will only try to pull a gun... instead of you know, suspending you in a biotic choke hold ala Darth Vader

It's the thing that bugs me about VS...

[ChandlerL]

daqs wrote...

If it's been said once, it's been said a thousand times: the Alliance does not use modern American military pay grades. It'd be nice if it did - the system would make more sense - but it doesn't.

As per usual, here is a link to the Alliance's "military ranks [sic]" as they appear in the Codex.

Ah thanks for this. Before posting I googled it and the first page that came up was this.

Looks like we have some bad info out there.

We're still left with Shepard as the Commanding Officer.

[Aimi]

ChandlerL wrote...

Ah thanks for this. Before posting I googled it and the first page that came up was this.

Looks like we have some bad info out there.

We're still left with Shepard as the Commanding Officer.

Yeah. Although it's unclear if Shepard is ever formally made the commanding officer of the SR-2. Apparently, this gets hashed out on the trip from Earth to Mars?

[ChandlerL]

mmhm. Makes you wonder who was the CO of the Normandy before Shepard heroically leapt onto it and got his dog tags thrown at him.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 01 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Legion64]

No because he is dead.

[UserForFun]

Shepard, at every opportunity of power given, by his respective faction at a time, elected to act on his own, unless the faction is question had the same ideology/pattern as Shepard had in mind.

The moment the faction in question elected a different pattern than Shepard wanted, he immediately discarded their orders, ignored, or turned against.

Example -- Shepard can screw the Council on every opportunity in Mass Effect 1, after each individual mission. ( Optional ) Shepard can dismiss or plainly deny orders from his Alliance superiors ( Hackett, again optional ) Shepard screws both Council/Alliance, once Normandy is grounded.

Ironic, from what we've seen, Shepard -only- listens to the Illusive Man, he might protest, but he accepts nevertheless, and shows no problem following orders, and proving a greater extend of obedience when compared to Council/Alliance, until the moment of the Collector Base, where you can screw Illusive Man as well ( Optional ).

We even see in his background.

He/She was ordered to retreat together with the rest of the civilians, instead he/she held the Batarians at bay, till reinforcements arrived. ( War-Hero )

He/She fought against the Batarian Terrorists, and despite Alliance's policy against war-crimes, he completely wiped them out, even the ones that surrendered, were gunned down mercilessly. ( Ruthless baby. )

Shepard was never the type to take orders, on every step within his career.

[TFulls]

kaidans dumb

[Han Shot First]

Being outranked by a pile of ash will have no effect on how my Shep operates.

[VampireCommando]

Indoctrinated Spectre wrote...

Rank shouldn't matter that much in this situation, especially since Shepard's the Reaper Killer here. Anyway, I consider rank based on leadership skills and my second in command is Garrus ****ing Vakarian.

This. To the letter.

[FabricatedWookie]

Shepard essentially transcends rank, I think that is the point, i.e. savior of the galaxy (hopefully).

[Dratkin]

For me kaiden is DEAD dead..