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[Sebbe1337o]

No, because Kaidan died on all my playthroughs.

[Helena Tylena]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

What I don't get is how a naval officer (Kaidan) gets a ground-force army rank (Major. Naval equivalent would be Captain).

Also, technically, Shepard 'left the Alliance' when she died in the beginning of ME2. People kept calling her 'commander', I assume, because that's what they're used to. Technically, she's the captain of a civilian(/paramilitary) ship.
She'll only get reinstated during the beginning of ME3, and I don't believe the rank she'll get is known yet.

That said, though, Spectres 'only answer to the council', meaning their ranks in whatever militaries they still may be would be irrelevant. Kaidan, Ashley and Shepard would all be equals regardless. And since Shep's the most experienced both in terms of leadership and fighting the Reapers, it'd only be natural they'd relinquish command to her.

Kaidan, to my knowledge, is actually an Alliance Marine, as he was in command of the Marine detatchment on the Normandy.  So the rank of Major would be correct.

Why do people keep commenting on the least interesting part of my post?

It's frustrating, you know?

[daftPirate]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Why do people keep commenting on the least interesting part of my post?

It's frustrating, you know?

Heh, they have nothing to refute. I personally think that Shepard will remain as a Commander, because that's what everyone (ourselves included) know him/her as. Come reinstatement time, while s/he may deserve a promotion, s/he's probably still wrapped up in the Alpha relay incident, so losing the promotion is a penalty. I know nothing about how it'll work though. I do expect him/her to remain "Commander", though.

[BatmanPWNS]

Pff, don't you know? Most people here have big ego's and cannot stand a single sight of their mighty Shepard being less than no.1.

[Helena Tylena]

daftPirate wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

Why do people keep commenting on the least interesting part of my post?

It's frustrating, you know?

Heh, they have nothing to refute. I personally think that Shepard will remain as a Commander, because that's what everyone (ourselves included) know him/her as. Come reinstatement time, while s/he may deserve a promotion, s/he's probably still wrapped up in the Alpha relay incident, so losing the promotion is a penalty. I know nothing about how it'll work though. I do expect him/her to remain "Commander", though.

Personally, I think the main reason for the writiers to keep her as a commander is because 'Commander' has become a de facto first name, more than anything else.

[daftPirate]

Exactly. A promotion makes all the sense in the world to me, but we know Commander Shepard. Anything else will be awkward.

[HolyAvenger]

Spectre = None of this rank BS.

[knightnblu]

Sylvianus wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I really don't see the problem with Kaidan outranking Shepard. Like, so what? Kaidan knows Shepard all too well to get in her way. As long as the trust is there, I'm not sure there's anything to worry about.

(And please don't mention Horizon. That was another story altogether.)

Oh please,  in a war and a military mission, there are often decisions to make, by whom? This sort of thing should always be clear and not be left in the dark, relying solely on the good old friendship with a drink. Really.

Why shep give order? And when they disagree ? this is exactly why things should always be clear in the military regardless of the intimate relationship.

That is why in a real military you have a chain of command with clear lines of authority. Civilians don't get that. They prefer to argue and muck about while they try to figure out who's going to do something about somebody that's trying to kill them. The Alliance is exactly like a civilian because they have no chain of command or clear lines of authority.
That is a direct reflection of how this was all conceived and probably why the Reapers just breezed through the Alliance defenses in the first place while everybody was arguing about who was in charge of what.
 
If you doubt that, then examine all of the comments on this thread and the varied positions and explain how the Alliance ranking system works. Because from what I can see, it doesn't. And to think that the Alliance didn't figure this out all along calls the intelligence of humanity into question in the ME universe. Further, there is the assumption that Shepard will be in command. Says who?
 
Anderson re-instated Shepard to the rank of "commander," whatever that means, he never placed him in command of anything. Unless I am very much mistaken, the VS is in command of the Normandy and Shepard is just a passenger. He has absolutely no role other than that assigned by the Normandy's Captain who is the same person who told you that you were a traitor on Horizon. And this person will desperately want to just hand their crew and ship over to Shepard because of why?
 
Once Shepard was relieved of command another person was assigned it. Unless and until orders come down reassigning that commander somewhere else and placing Shepard in command of the Normandy he will remain a passenger, excuse me refugee with less authority than a cabin boy.
 
Can BioWare fix this? Sure, but if they have kept this fouled up system for two games, why change now? Military advisors would have prevented this foul up from occurring. Chances are that somebody at BioWare knows somebody who is in the service and can clue them in for cheap. I'm just saying. But it is probably too late to change anything now.

[Fault Girl]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Pff, don't you know? Most people here have big ego's and cannot stand a single sight of their mighty Shepard being less than no.1.

Pretty much summed it up in a sentence.

[Clara Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yes, Shep's on the bottom now

lol  oh Isaac, I read that as both ways. 

[Clara Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

Read the Codex.

You said it, bro.  

Yay Major Kaidan!! =D

[mulder1199]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Pff, don't you know? Most people here have big ego's and cannot stand a single sight of their mighty Shepard being less than no.1.

Pretty much summed it up in a sentence.

not so much for me, def not interested in being forced to do mission in a,b,c order though....

[ArkkAngel007]

Helena Tylena wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

What I don't get is how a naval officer (Kaidan) gets a ground-force army rank (Major. Naval equivalent would be Captain).

Also, technically, Shepard 'left the Alliance' when she died in the beginning of ME2. People kept calling her 'commander', I assume, because that's what they're used to. Technically, she's the captain of a civilian(/paramilitary) ship.
She'll only get reinstated during the beginning of ME3, and I don't believe the rank she'll get is known yet.

That said, though, Spectres 'only answer to the council', meaning their ranks in whatever militaries they still may be would be irrelevant. Kaidan, Ashley and Shepard would all be equals regardless. And since Shep's the most experienced both in terms of leadership and fighting the Reapers, it'd only be natural they'd relinquish command to her.

Kaidan, to my knowledge, is actually an Alliance Marine, as he was in command of the Marine detatchment on the Normandy.  So the rank of Major would be correct.

Why do people keep commenting on the least interesting part of my post?

It's frustrating, you know?

Possibly because I agree with your points 

[Drone223]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Pff, don't you know? Most people here have big ego's and cannot stand a single sight of their mighty Shepard being less than no.1.

QFT ME2 gave them that huge ego which is sad really

Modifié par Drone223, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[daftPirate]

knightnblu wrote...

Anderson re-instated Shepard to the rank of "commander," whatever that means, he never placed him in command of anything. Unless I am very much mistaken, the VS is in command of the Normandy and Shepard is just a passenger. He has absolutely no role other than that assigned by the Normandy's Captain who is the same person who told you that you were a traitor on Horizon. And this person will desperately want to just hand their crew and ship over to Shepard because of why?
 

In both Shepard's and the VS's defence(I guess in "Horizon's" defence), the VS knows that Shepard is not a traitor, and what was said was in an intense moment. The VS (at least in some playthroughs, maybe not all) sends Shepard a message to apologize for what was said on Horizon. I'm sure the trust they'd built was shaken, but I don't think it was broken. Shepard's crew, VS included, are like Anderson: They know Shep has what it takes, and they trust him/her.

[Helena Tylena]

daftPirate wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

Anderson re-instated Shepard to the rank of "commander," whatever that means, he never placed him in command of anything. Unless I am very much mistaken, the VS is in command of the Normandy and Shepard is just a passenger. He has absolutely no role other than that assigned by the Normandy's Captain who is the same person who told you that you were a traitor on Horizon. And this person will desperately want to just hand their crew and ship over to Shepard because of why?
 

In both Shepard's and the VS's defence(I guess in "Horizon's" defence), the VS knows that Shepard is not a traitor, and what was said was in an intense moment. The VS (at least in some playthroughs, maybe not all) sends Shepard a message to apologize for what was said on Horizon. I'm sure the trust they'd built was shaken, but I don't think it was broken. Shepard's crew, VS included, are like Anderson: They know Shep has what it takes, and they trust him/her.

VS only sends a message if you romanced them in the previous game. Beyond that: ^

[Ryzaki]

daftPirate wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

Anderson re-instated Shepard to the rank of "commander," whatever that means, he never placed him in command of anything. Unless I am very much mistaken, the VS is in command of the Normandy and Shepard is just a passenger. He has absolutely no role other than that assigned by the Normandy's Captain who is the same person who told you that you were a traitor on Horizon. And this person will desperately want to just hand their crew and ship over to Shepard because of why?
 

In both Shepard's and the VS's defence(I guess in "Horizon's" defence), the VS knows that Shepard is not a traitor, and what was said was in an intense moment. The VS (at least in some playthroughs, maybe not all) sends Shepard a message to apologize for what was said on Horizon. I'm sure the trust they'd built was shaken, but I don't think it was broken. Shepard's crew, VS included, are like Anderson: They know Shep has what it takes, and they trust him/her.

You only get a letter if you romanced them.

Which really looks bad if you didn't.

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

S.ilver wrote...

I don't think Shep ever got promoted past Lieutenant Commander, so technically even Ashley can refuse to follow his/her orders.

She can't give any to Shepard either.

She can if she was placed in command of the Normandy and she outranks Shep.  That's how rank works.

She doesn't though. Both of them are Lt. Commander.

That actually should have been "and/or".  If she'd been given command of the Normandy, she'd have command.  Shep couldn't just say "I was Commander first. My ship now."  She'd be an acting Captain, same as Shep during ME1.

[didymos1120]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Spectre = None of this rank BS.

Normandy = Alliance vessel w/ Alliance crew = Rank still matters.

[HolyAvenger]

didymos1120 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Spectre = None of this rank BS.

Normandy = Alliance vessel w/ Alliance crew = Rank still matters.

Spectres exist outside rank structure. If Anderson puts Shepard in command, it doesn't matter what his/her rank is.

[didymos1120]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

No, because Kaidan died on all my playthroughs.

Stupid BSN tricks #3:

Wander into a character-related topic just to inform everyone that you killed them, and thus have no actual business here.

[didymos1120]

HolyAvenger wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Spectre = None of this rank BS.

Normandy = Alliance vessel w/ Alliance crew = Rank still matters.

Spectres exist outside rank structure. If Anderson puts Shepard in command, it doesn't matter what his/her rank is.

Anderson doesn't, and what part of "Alliance vessel" don't you understand?  Remember the beginning of ME1?  That Nihlus guy?  Spectre right?  Was not the boss of the Normandy.

[Helena Tylena]

didymos1120 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Spectre = None of this rank BS.

Normandy = Alliance vessel w/ Alliance crew = Rank still matters.

The original Normandy was an alliance vessel, yet Shepard used it as a Spectre, for a Spectre mission. She answered to the council, and the council alone.
When that one bloke demands he inspects the ship, you can refuse him with exactly zero repercussions.

If an Alliance ship is on loan to the council, it is used as if it were property of the council, and de facto of the Spectre who uses it.

[Aimi]

So, insofar as there is a consensus here of people who know what they're talking about, does it tend towards "whoever is the commanding officer of the Normandy is the person in charge of personnel attached to that ship regardless of rank and grade"?

Because that's, uh, what makes the most sense.

[Helena Tylena]

daqs wrote...

So, insofar as there is a consensus here of people who know what they're talking about, does it tend towards "whoever is the commanding officer of the Normandy is the person in charge of personnel attached to that ship regardless of rank and grade"?

Because that's, uh, what makes the most sense.

Pretty much. My guess is that IF the VS is in command of the Normandy, they'll relinquish it once Shep's on board.