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[Atakuma]

Sylvianus wrote...
No. Bioware didn't answer any request from xbox gamers. There hadn't had special treatment. They decided to do that to attract more people, and to sell more. That's only their interest they defended, their business. They could have done the same for PS3 if according to them it was as easy, but it wasn't.

On the opposite, why Bioware would release what you ask, you pc gamers ? I am not against that, but is it in their interest ? Except to satisfy some of you.

It is definitely in their interest to do something simple like this to gain some customer goodwill, rather than spending lots of money on something nobody asked for.

Modifié par Atakuma, 08 février 2012 - 11:55 .

[oligo]

Sylvianus wrote...

No. Bioware didn't answer any request from xbox gamers. There hadn't had special treatment. They decided to do that to attract more people, and to sell more. That's only their interest they defended, their business. They could have done the same for PS3 if according to them it was as easy, but it wasn't.

On the opposite, why Bioware would release what you ask, you pc gamers ? I am not against that, but is it in their interest ? Except to satisfy some of you.

I'm not denying that they did it for business and I'm not denying it wasn't asked for, but it still is something xbox has over all the other platforms, so it is a form of special treatment.

Satisfying customers is in the interests of BioWare, although they wouldn't make money from it, keeping your customers happy is a good way to ensure future purchases.

Or they could just sell it off as DLC... <_<

EDIT: Atakuma beat me to it. 

Modifié par cicimae, 08 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Complistic]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

hell no PC Players do not have a right to get special stuff

you said the same thing yesterday. 

[Sylvianus]

Atakuma wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
No. Bioware didn't answer any request from xbox gamers. There hadn't had special treatment. They decided to do that to attract more people, and to sell more. That's only their interest they defended, their business. They could have done the same for PS3 if according to them it was as easy, but it wasn't.

On the opposite, why Bioware would release what you ask, you pc gamers ? I am not against that, but is it in their interest ? Except to satisfy some of you.

It is definitely in their interest to do something simple like this to gain some customer goodwill, rather than spending lots of money on something nobody asked for.

Don't be too sure. kinect market is rapidly expanding, ( many xbox gamers have now a kinect ), but the offer is very small in the same times. there aren't many games with this option. So, no great competition, which is great for them. So, they could totally attract news players who do not know Mass Effect, but have a kinect. The high res texture pack, that's cool for pc gamers.

But I do not think it really affects sales, and it has the same chances to attract more people, even I wonder if that changes anything. Otherwise all companies would offer that at the same time as the release of the game. Besides all companies do not offer high res texture pack.

Bethesda for Skyrim waited a bit before giving this high res texture pack. I am convinced that it was just to satisfy their Pc fans and it had almost nothing to do with business.

The comparison with the kinect option is just wrong for me. I could totally see why, it is better to focus on that, than this pack.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[Sylvianus]

cicimae wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

No. Bioware didn't answer any request from xbox gamers. There hadn't had special treatment. They decided to do that to attract more people, and to sell more. That's only their interest they defended, their business. They could have done the same for PS3 if according to them it was as easy, but it wasn't.

On the opposite, why Bioware would release what you ask, you pc gamers ? I am not against that, but is it in their interest ? Except to satisfy some of you.

I'm not denying that they did it for business and I'm not denying it wasn't asked for, but it still is something xbox has over all the other platforms, so it is a form of special treatment.

Satisfying customers is in the interests of BioWare, although they wouldn't make money from it, keeping your customers happy is a good way to ensure future purchases.

Or they could just sell it off as DLC... <_<

EDIT: Atakuma beat me to it. 

I agree, but I am not sure how this argument is effective. If they did that for business, for them there hadn't had special treatment. They just followed a trend to gain more money.

If they give you what you want, it is only to see you satisfied, you pc gamers, not to do justice or because they expect their sales affected.

They could offer you this high res texture later, like DA2.

[DragonRageGT]

Complistic wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

hell no PC Players do not have a right to get special stuff

you said the same thing yesterday. 

Well, as we say here, envy is a green smelly pile of ...

[oligo]

Sylvianus wrote...

I agree, but I am not sure how this argument is effective. If they did that for business, for them there hadn't had special treatment. They just followed a trend to gain more money.

If they give you what you want, it is only to see you satisfied, you pc gamers, not to do justice or because they expect their sales affected.

They could offer you this high res texture later, like DA2.

I understand what you're trying to get at, but just because the Kinect features are making them money doesn't make it any less exclusive.  They're intentions may not have been to satisfy the customer, but it is still time and money that they have invested into the xbox version of the game over the other platforms.

Of course it would only be to satisfy the customers, I doubt a high res texture pack would convince anyone to buy ME3.  What I was getting at is that it's still important to satisfy customers whether it would make them money or not.

Also, I doubt anyone's expecting it to be in the released product, if it was to happen it would be released later.

[Sylvianus]

But you will fail, if you focus your argument on the kinect, that isn't what will decide bioware to be kind with you. They do what they want with their money to gain more money, they aren't at all concerned by impartiality and justice when it is about business, if you don't know yet.

There are other indicators that will be taken into account, like for example  " how many folks ask for this high pack." etc.

Otherwise, I am sure there could be a high pack, one day.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 février 2012 - 12:44 .

[sackyhack]

Sylvianus wrote...

cicimae wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'm not denying that they did it for business and I'm not denying it wasn't asked for, but it still is something xbox has over all the other platforms, so it is a form of special treatment.

Satisfying customers is in the interests of BioWare, although they wouldn't make money from it, keeping your customers happy is a good way to ensure future purchases.

Or they could just sell it off as DLC... <_<

EDIT: Atakuma beat me to it. 

I agree, but I am not sure how this argument is effective. If they did that for business, for them there hadn't had special treatment. They just followed a trend to gain more money.

If they give you what you want, it is only to see you satisfied, you pc gamers, not to do justice or because they expect their sales affected.

They could offer you this high res texture later, like DA2.

With your argument I don't see the difference between a Kinect and a high end graphics card.  If they're just following the money, then t he rationale is that they want to create an added incentive for Xbox owners with Kinects to purchase the game, right?  Well, with high resolution textures, they'd be creating more incentive for PC owners with decent rigs to purchase the game.  Following the money argument, how many PC players do you think were genuinely interested in Crysis's gameplay?  A lot, I'm sure, but it also sold a lot due to its graphics.   Crytek certainly didn't make that game look so great out of the kindness of their hearts.  In the same way, Bioware wouldn't be doing any special favors for the downtrodden formely glorious PC gaming master race.  They'd just be providing more incentive for people with the hardware to handle it, and making lots of people happy as a result.

Kinect: extra hardware
A GOOD GPU: extra hardware (any GPU is a necessity these days, I'm tlaking about a mid to high-range one)

[Sylvianus]

I already said I didn't believe at all that it played a role on pc sales. That's why high texture packs come out months or weeks after the release for some companies, and other don't do that. It is only about to satisfy some fans. PC Fans still buy games without any high res texture pack. I do not think anyone can deny this reality. That's why they do ask for that later.

Also, I don't remember. Mass effect 2 had a high res texture pack ? ( I don't think so )

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 février 2012 - 01:04 .

[PSUHammer]

DA2 did on release day.

[Sylvianus]

DA2 was a special case to be honest, it was rushed as hell and Bioware was already aware of this issue. Textures in Kirkwall, everywhere, etc, were intolerable, not acceptable compared to the power of the PC without this high res texture pack. It was just too much.

They knew their pc fans would be upset without it. But maybe, they will do the same for mass effect 3.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 février 2012 - 01:21 .

[PSUHammer]

I actually think ME2's textures were worse then vanilla DA2. Of course these are two different game engines.

Sorry man, textures are just a simple file drop of existing content. It should be an easy bone to release for players.

[mauro2222]

I thought that textures are high resolution when they are developing the game.

[Heggis]

Yeah, they use High-resolution textures when they design the models but then they scale them down due too a console can't really handle it...

[Icinix]

Yes please. Considering the number of 2gb or more graphic cards floating around out there.

Personally I game at 2560x1600 - and in sooo many games the image is sharp but the textures look so horrible its like looking at oil painted cell shading.

DA2 hi res patch was one of the redeeming things about DA2.

[muse108]

You people are all missing the point. We PCers shouldnt need texture packs, the game should come with them as default, not as an extra package that we are expected to worship the devs for.

PC should always be the lead development platform, sadly it rarely is.

And to the person who said ME2 wasnt a port............

[Heggis]

Don't mind having a texture pack on the side as long as we get it.

[Doctoglethorpe]

muse108 wrote...

You people are all missing the point. We PCers shouldnt need texture packs, the game should come with them as default, not as an extra package that we are expected to worship the devs for.

PC should always be the lead development platform, sadly it rarely is.

And to the person who said ME2 wasnt a port............

Your right.  It should come standard to begin with, for most of the industry it does.  But it doesn't here, not from Bioware.  So begging like helpless puppies for a texture pack is the next best thing.  **** honestly if it came down to it I'd even be willing  to pay extra for one.  Mass Effect is one of very few games I'd even consider to do that for, ironically its the only one on that very short list that actually needs it. 

DA2 got one, that gives me slight hope.   I hope Bioware do the right thing again this time.  They would make a lot of friends in the PC crowd if they would do such a simple thing.  That or make modding easier so a day later people would already have texture packs out instead of waiting years as one generous soul slowly cranks them out like its been for ME2. 

[Kalms]

Just chiming in to show my support for this. Would be a welcome addition - would make me consider buying ME3 for both platforms.

Modifié par Kalms, 09 février 2012 - 09:49 .

[Clearly Balkan]

I hope for high res. texture pack on X360 & PC. Recommended PC specs are already obsolete and made for PC configuration 2 years old.

[Clearly Balkan]

Hammer6767 wrote...

cicimae wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Except when I plug my PC into my 60" plasma in the theater room!  

You have a theater room?!  ....Can I come live with you? 

Dedicated, sound proof drywall, all speaker wire and power run in the walls.  Calibrated plasma and 5.1 audio, power theater chairs.

Yup...took a few years (and wife acceptance factor) but it is worth it.  Gaming in 5.1 surround as loud as you want on a monster PC is incredible.  THAT is why I push hard for high res textures, folks.

Any plans for adoption? 

[Clearly Balkan]

SpectreSaren wrote...

They could easily do a texture pack for X360. It'd just be pretty big.

BF3 was 2.3GB, and you imagine how many more environments/characters need textures for ME3.

I would wait for download of 2.3GB file whole day if it takes and BioWare decides to put in on XBL Marketplace. 

Hell I would even pay MS points for it.

[Fredvdp]

Hammer6767 wrote...

DA2 did on release day.

That was throwing the PC gamers a bone. Same as the DirectX 11 announcement. Even my HD 6870 can't handle DA2 on the highest settings at a decent framerate because of how poorly DX11 was implemented. They turned a PC franchise into a console game and that resulted in poor quality in some areas which fans would complain about. Mass Effect, however, was always a console first game, so I don't think they feel the need to give the PC players something extra.

[roflchoppaz]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

cicimae wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Except when I plug my PC into my 60" plasma in the theater room!  

You have a theater room?!  ....Can I come live with you? 

Dedicated, sound proof drywall, all speaker wire and power run in the walls.  Calibrated plasma and 5.1 audio, power theater chairs.

Yup...took a few years (and wife acceptance factor) but it is worth it.  Gaming in 5.1 surround as loud as you want on a monster PC is incredible.  THAT is why I push hard for high res textures, folks.

Any plans for adoption? 

How about an OCD kid right here?

I can make sandwiches!

No, seriously, that setup sounds sweet.