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[AgitatedLemon]

CptData wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Really - a child's brain takes far less damage when watching naked skin than exploded bodies. When I was younger, at the age of 14 or so (I'm 29 now), I had nightmares after watching a war movie ("Stalingrad" or something). I never had any issues with naked skin at that age - and my secret collection of magazines regarding that topic hadn't been too small ...

This got me thinking... You don't ever really see Horror movies being criticized for the gratuitous violence and gore in the 99% of horror films that exist, do you?

Think I heard that statement once: "A good horror doesn't need splatter."
Horror shouldn't go for gore and violence but for psychological effects. That's a lesson almost every director has to learn tbh. They're going too much for effects ...

And that's why my favorite sub-genre of horror is the haunted house.

Really, anything involving ghosts and the supernatural, but especially haunted houses. Paranormal Activity is a guilty pleasure for me.

I still can't believe SAW was #1 for almost 7 years. That shows you how much  the average person knows about good taste, too, in addition to being incredibly stupid when it comes to mature topics.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 07:55 .

[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

That's because the majority of people only care for the effects. This is pretty much the same reason why so many blockbusters rely on explosions

That's called "mainstream".

Actually, if I want to watch a horror, I want experience a horror and not a splatter movie. If I want explosions I watch an action movie. And if I want a story movie I don't need explosions every sixty seconds.

Seriously ... mainstream sucks. The general opinion of the people fail. Guys, you (and I too) rely too much on news with pre-defined opinions. We really should get our ass moving and start to make our OWN opinions.
Just my two cents ...

[AgitatedLemon]

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

That's because the majority of people only care for the effects. This is pretty much the same reason why so many blockbusters rely on explosions

That's called "mainstream".

Actually, if I want to watch a horror, I want experience a horror and not a splatter movie. If I want explosions I watch an action movie. And if I want a story movie I don't need explosions every sixty seconds.

Seriously ... mainstream sucks. The general opinion of the people fail. Guys, you (and I too) rely too much on news with pre-defined opinions. We really should get our ass moving and start to make our OWN opinions.
Just my two cents ...

As much as I hate hipsters (They can ALL die), the average reaction to ZOMG PORN-- I mean, artistic nudity, makes me really want to become one.

[AgitatedLemon]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

That's because the majority of people only care for the effects. This is pretty much the same reason why so many blockbusters rely on explosions

That's called "mainstream".

Actually, if I want to watch a horror, I want experience a horror and not a splatter movie. If I want explosions I watch an action movie. And if I want a story movie I don't need explosions every sixty seconds.

Seriously ... mainstream sucks. The general opinion of the people fail. Guys, you (and I too) rely too much on news with pre-defined opinions. We really should get our ass moving and start to make our OWN opinions.
Just my two cents ...

What do you mean by that?

I took it as "We need to stop hopping on the bandwagon".

[CptData]

I mean it like that. Read different sources, switch off TV (the program is stupid anyway), talk to friends ... such stuff.

Fox News wouldn't have that power if the guys watching those "News" would know the truth (which is usually not the same as the "truth" of Fox News). Then again, we have the "BILD" in Germany ... which is a "news"paper acting similar to Fox News. Lots of lies and campaigns to damage prominent people.

[AgitatedLemon]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

That's because the majority of people only care for the effects. This is pretty much the same reason why so many blockbusters rely on explosions

That's called "mainstream".

Actually, if I want to watch a horror, I want experience a horror and not a splatter movie. If I want explosions I watch an action movie. And if I want a story movie I don't need explosions every sixty seconds.

Seriously ... mainstream sucks. The general opinion of the people fail. Guys, you (and I too) rely too much on news with pre-defined opinions. We really should get our ass moving and start to make our OWN opinions.
Just my two cents ...

What do you mean by that?

I took it as "We need to stop hopping on the bandwagon".

I'm not hopping on any bandwagon. I'm not sure why that was said.

I meant people in general, not you or myself.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:07 .

[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

I mean it like that. Read different sources, switch off TV (the program is stupid anyway), talk to friends ... such stuff.

Fox News wouldn't have that power if the guys watching those "News" would know the truth (which is usually not the same as the "truth" of Fox News). Then again, we have the "BILD" in Germany ... which is a "news"paper acting similar to Fox News. Lots of lies and campaigns to damage prominent people.

I never watched FOX before. As a matter of fact. I don't even watch the news. I have my select websites that I already go to read up on things. So what are you on about?

My statement wasn't made for you - it was meant for a general audience. The man in the street.

[LadyofRivendell]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Fun fact: Did you know IGN is owned by Fox News?

I hope you;re joking, because they aren't.

My lame attempt at midnight humor.

But, they are both owned by the same company.

[AgitatedLemon]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

I mean it like that. Read different sources, switch off TV (the program is stupid anyway), talk to friends ... such stuff.

Fox News wouldn't have that power if the guys watching those "News" would know the truth (which is usually not the same as the "truth" of Fox News). Then again, we have the "BILD" in Germany ... which is a "news"paper acting similar to Fox News. Lots of lies and campaigns to damage prominent people.

I never watched FOX before. As a matter of fact. I don't even watch the news. I have my select websites that I already go to read up on things. So what are you on about?

My statement wasn't made for you - it was meant for a general audience. The man in the street.

I doubt the general audience will change. I believe it will get dumber. Especially over here in America.

We just need an internet hipster to become a politician.

Their insufferably non-mainstream opinion on everything will change minds.

[AgitatedLemon]

That's a good point.

Off topic, but it's probably in vain to hope that people won't view non-pornographic nudity (Mass Effect, Dante's Inferno) as ZOMG PORN, at least within the next century or so.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:23 .

[gearseffect]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

That's a good point.

Off topic, but it's probably in vain to hope that people won't view non-pornographic nudity (Mass Effect, Dante's Inferno) as ZOMG PORN, at least within the next century or so.

I always felt that the Miranda scene in ME2 was more pornograpic than the naked shadowed bodies in ME1.

Sure the ME1 bodies were naked and you saw some butts, but for the most part all the naughty bits were hidden with good old fasioned carefully placed shadows.

The Miranda sceen in ME2 to me felt more pornagraphic, sure it didn't have naked bodies but it had the whole unzipping of her outfit which led to the hips in love motion, the whole thing had a more porno vibe than the sceens in ME1 did.

Also you can see naked roman art statues in school text books that show everything from naked ****** to dicks and you can also see 'em on History TV shows along with a lot more naked art.

As for Foxs whole big news thing about Mass Effect 1 I never listen to or watch any TV News It;s all propaganda, and there to keep people dumb and blind.

Anyway back on task if some dipstick at a store sales a kid a game that has a M rating for Blood, Gore, Nudity, Sex or whatever I think people should get mad at the person who sold it to him as oppossed to saying The People Who make games and the games are damaging the youth. It happens every generation with something this time it's not Rock Music or any Music it's video games.

I'd personally like to see an ME game where you meet and talk with someone whose in the middle of gettin high on Red Sand and he offers you some to get high with him on and you can join in on getting High with him and it gives you Renagade Points or you can chose not to and gain Paragon Points.

[AgitatedLemon]

I always felt that the Miranda scene in ME2 was more pornograpic than the naked shadowed bodies in ME1.

Jack (As renegade)

Anyway... How else would you have made Miranda's go? 

Shepard humping her through his pants and her suit? There had to be SOME lead up to the actual sex.

I don't see how Miranda's (Or any of the ME2 romances, except maybe Renagade Jack) were pornographic in the slightest. Sexy, sure, but not pornographic. That'd be like if your wife was in lingerie and she started to strip, then gave up. The ME1 ones, which actually featured nudity, felt x10 more pornographic (Which ian't saying a lot, considering none of them have been particularly arousing).

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Hell, the closest thing you'll get to porn in any modern day game is the Witcher 2, and...

No, I won't say that TW2 was all that tame. It wasn't.

[Demonique]

Nissun wrote...

So the human husks run around naked for two games, and nobody bats an eyelash. But suddenly an asari husk is too sexual to show. Okay.

But who the hell would be sexually attracted to any kind of husk anyway? They are the creepiest motherf*cking things in the games.

[Unschuld]

android654 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...


You never hear younger people complain about sex in things. Has anyone ever noticed that?

It's always the 50+ year old parent or politician.

Because they're afraid for the children. I wouldn't let my child watch porn either until a certain age, mainly because I'm sick of teenage mothers getting television shows. It sickens me. What people don't seem to realize though is that it's not the government's job to limit your child's exposure by outlawing expression in media, It's YOUR job to not be a s**tty parent.

Then they should guard their own children. It is so unbecoming to have one person try to dictate another persons morals when those morals aren't damaging, they simply aren't to that person's liking.

I agree with you about the teen mothers thing, but that's not the result of "sexual liberation" or lack thereof. It has to do with society embracing mediocrity to the point that someone can be famous for doing something everyone can do; not wearing a condom.

Also, children develop sexually at different times, while a sixteen year old may have no innate interest in sex, a five year old might be a lecherous person in the making. While it is the parents responsibility to decide what's too mature for their child, it wont stop them from finding things out when they want to. Not when every six year old can navigate a computer like a programmer would only dream of thirty years ago.

Putting mature themes in video games will neither raise nor quell sexual miscreants of any stripe. The majority of them where going to turn out that way regardless. People's curiosities will lead them to strange places, and if people still ventured to those places when the only form of entertainment were books, then the cause was surely books right?

We must burn the books to protect children from becoming a generation of Libertines!

I'm not quite sure if you were arguing my statement, because in reality I think we're mostly on the same page regarding this subject. I guess my sarcasm and mockery doesn't always translate well over the internet (regarding the beginning of my post). No, putting a mature theme on a game or monitoring internet access for a child won't 100% guarantee success in eliminating exposure, or change natural compulsions that are already there. Humans are curious creatures and will find ways to get what they want if they really want it. Being a good parent though, and at least attempting to guide your offspring on the right path, is something that not enough people do. Unfortunately they point the blame at the artists and the authorities, for what boils down to not doing their jobs for them. Also, lol, very true about the books.

[gearseffect]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I always felt that the Miranda scene in ME2 was more pornograpic than the naked shadowed bodies in ME1.

Jack (As renegade)

Anyway... How else would you have made Miranda's go? 

Shepard humping her through his pants and her suit? There had to be SOME lead up to the actual sex.

I don't see how Miranda's (Or any of the ME2 romances, except maybe Renagade Jack) were pornographic in the slightest. Sexy, sure, but not pornographic. That'd be like if your wife was in lingerie and she started to strip, then gave up. The ME1 ones, which actually featured nudity, felt x10 more pornographic (Which ian't saying a lot, considering none of them have been particularly arousing).

I think your missunderstanding me. I likely shoun't have worded it that the ME2 scene was more pornagraphic but rather that they seemed more suggestive that Shep was really having sex.

I felt that the ME2 Miranda scene was more sexual suggestive that Shep had penetrated Miranda and had sex with her.

The ME1 sex scenes to me seemed to only suggest that Shep at most got a BJ from Liara or Ash, and then returned the favor.

Hope I was able to get my meaning across this time.

Also All My Sheps are all Dudes, (just like me) I've never been one of those people  who make custom characters of the oppisit sex to play as. Not that there's anything wrong with it it's just not my thing.

[AgitatedLemon]

I felt that the ME2 Miranda scene was more sexual suggestive that Shep had penetrated Miranda and had sex with her.

That's kind of the point.

And for the record, so does Tali's.

And Jack's.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 05:18 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I'm honestly surprised that this thread hasn't continued.