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[GMagnum]

aye it ok selene we all make mistake n it dunt make ur post n e less amazin <33 tbh

[Sturmwulfe]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

*snip*

Excellently put, absolutely agreed.

Going for the brownie points?

Can't say I am, I'm not around the community long enough to know who anybody is! Just agreeing with the fact that I have yet to be disappointed with a Bioware game, and as I touched with on mine, some people can't really be convinced to give something a chance so it's best to ignore them.

[Volus Warlord]

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

*snip*

Excellently put, absolutely agreed.

Going for the brownie points?

Can't say I am, I'm not around the community long enough to know who anybody is! Just agreeing with the fact that I have yet to be disappointed with a Bioware game, and as I touched with on mine, some people can't really be convinced to give something a chance so it's best to ignore them.

Well a belated welcome to you.

I played ME2 and was considering DA2 until I heard all the "feedback" and was unimpressed by the demo. Yeah, there are people who whine and moan like crazy for no particular reason, and then there is legitimate concern. Many of the optimists try to pretend they are the same thing.  

[hidden185]

meh

[Gatt9]

N7Raider wrote...

abaris wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fair enough,  I am getting it because I have put too much time in the first two games not to pick up the third one.  I want to see how all of my decisions and more importantly it is finaly time to take on the reapers, as far as as antogonists go they are probably my favorite video game antagonists that I have seen in a  long time.  Just seeing them attack earth in the demo was enough to get me excited.

I love the first two instalments. But I have witnessed what they have done to the Dragon Age series.

I'm not saying they haven't learned their lesson, but I'm not giving them any advance credit either. If it isn't my cup of tea I can easily wait till it's on sale to have the whole series.

Again Dragon Age team=/=Mass Effect team, they are two seperate groups of people. 

It's the same company.  Your comment extended means that I can expect some McDonalds somewhere in the country to be serving a meal equivalent of a 5-star restaurant,  because it's a different group of people.

They get their marching orders from the same places.  The same bosses have to sign off on the design and implementation,  and the same bosses decide what market to aim for.

Case in Point:  Kinect features that don't actually add anything to the game,  shoehorned in multiplayer that serves no real purpose,  SP gamers punished for avoiding MP,  and an Action mode to bypass any of those nasty gameplay things that aren't shooting,  like dialogue.

This game has enourmous problems,  if people don't voice their concerns,  studios and publishers will keep making the same foolish mistakes. 

@OP

I've read your post 1,000 times.  Most recently with DA2.  The "Wait and see" attitude invariable leads to trainwrecks that could've been avoided if people had actually voiced opinions prior to release.

Sadly though,  the fanaticism on the internet is a major problem in providing feedback to developers.  No small amount of it due to the < 18 crowd being able to anonymously post and appear equivalent to adults.  The < 18 crowd accounts for a very small portion of the total gamers*,  but has a disproportionate amount of time to post,  leading to seriously skewed representation.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp

[Sturmwulfe]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

*snip*

Excellently put, absolutely agreed.

Going for the brownie points?

Can't say I am, I'm not around the community long enough to know who anybody is! Just agreeing with the fact that I have yet to be disappointed with a Bioware game, and as I touched with on mine, some people can't really be convinced to give something a chance so it's best to ignore them.

Well a belated welcome to you.

I played ME2 and was considering DA2 until I heard all the "feedback" and was unimpressed by the demo. Yeah, there are people who whine and moan like crazy for no particular reason, and then there is legitimate concern. Many of the optimists try to pretend they are the same thing.  

Thanks, I have been registered for a while, but decided to come back on after a hiatus.

I haven't tried Dragon Age II yet, but I borrowed it and it's sitting in my living room at the moment, so I'll see how that goes. From what I gather, a lot of people were disappointed because it didn't have the same scope as the first game. Might as well see what it's about soon! Usually when people have legitimate concerns, they can articulate exactly what they're concerned about and are open to conversation on the matter. Others... not as such!

Yeah, some people see the world through rose tinted glasses and are incapable of acknowledging any wrongs. I believe they are called 'fanboys' in certain cultures.

[Bleachrude]

I think people remember the early days when multiplayer got added to single player videogames. Many of those games the multiplayer was bad and it gave the impression that resources were wasted on a feature that could have been spent on single player.

Of course, this tends to ignore the fact that many times, multiplayer resources don't mean that single player resources were diverted since usually there is a second team and multiplayer is seen by companies as a way to INCREASE the longevity of the game and without it, they wouldn't authorize more funding for single player anyway.

Roughly, I think people belive

$SP team (0.5 million) + $MP team (0,5 million) = $ total budget (1 million)
get rid of MP and SP would get the full 1 million.

I don't think this is true at all personally.

I also think that recently many games that DO add multiplayer have done so where the MP is at the least, FUN. Assassin's Creed and Uncharted MP got decent to good reviews especially the latter and let's face it, if those two franchises can co-exist with MP (seriously, what screams MP about assassins and inidiana jones), I'm not seeing why ME automatically couldn't exist with it...

[Terror_K]

Put it this way... when you see a speeding freight train heading towards a broken bridge and the people at the controls keep saying, "we'll stop in time" when they aren't slowing and all evidence given seems to indicate that they won't and aren't really even trying to, then it's hard to believe that they won't end up in the drink.

It's all well to have faith and all, but BioWare have long since shown that the once true adage of "trust BioWare" is dead, and almost nothing they've shown me illustrates that they've made the right decisions and are taking Mass Effect in the right direction. It still seems more about bringing in new fans than appealing to existing ones, and they still seem far too willing to toss their once-great universe down the toilet if it means appealing to the hardcore CoD and Gears crowd.

After Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 and most of the decisions that have been made since EA took the helm, I just can't see ME3 bringing back what ME1 had that ME2 lost. They're still too hung up on following modern trends and mass appeal to make something special, IMO.

[Praetor Knight]

Terror_K wrote...

Put it this way... when you see a speeding freight train heading towards a broken bridge and the people at the controls keep saying, "we'll stop in time" when they aren't slowing and all evidence given seems to indicate that they won't and aren't really even trying to, then it's hard to believe that they won't end up in the drink.

It's all well to have faith and all, but BioWare have long since shown that the once true adage of "trust BioWare" is dead, and almost nothing they've shown me illustrates that they've made the right decisions and are taking Mass Effect in the right direction. It still seems more about bringing in new fans than appealing to existing ones, and they still seem far too willing to toss their once-great universe down the toilet if it means appealing to the hardcore CoD and Gears crowd.

After Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 and most of the decisions that have been made since EA took the helm, I just can't see ME3 bringing back what ME1 had that ME2 lost. They're still too hung up on following modern trends and mass appeal to make something special, IMO.

Well, I have faith in Casey and Preston. And they did have a bunch to deal with when making ME2, and LotSB was pretty sweet, IMHO.

[PsychoWARD23]

If I was on PC, there's no way in hell I'd buy it.

[N7Raider]

Gatt9 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

abaris wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fair enough,  I am getting it because I have put too much time in the first two games not to pick up the third one.  I want to see how all of my decisions and more importantly it is finaly time to take on the reapers, as far as as antogonists go they are probably my favorite video game antagonists that I have seen in a  long time.  Just seeing them attack earth in the demo was enough to get me excited.

I love the first two instalments. But I have witnessed what they have done to the Dragon Age series.

I'm not saying they haven't learned their lesson, but I'm not giving them any advance credit either. If it isn't my cup of tea I can easily wait till it's on sale to have the whole series.

Again Dragon Age team=/=Mass Effect team, they are two seperate groups of people. 

It's the same company.  Your comment extended means that I can expect some McDonalds somewhere in the country to be serving a meal equivalent of a 5-star restaurant,  because it's a different group of people.

They get their marching orders from the same places.  The same bosses have to sign off on the design and implementation,  and the same bosses decide what market to aim for.

Case in Point:  Kinect features that don't actually add anything to the game,  shoehorned in multiplayer that serves no real purpose,  SP gamers punished for avoiding MP,  and an Action mode to bypass any of those nasty gameplay things that aren't shooting,  like dialogue.

This game has enourmous problems,  if people don't voice their concerns,  studios and publishers will keep making the same foolish mistakes. 

your first analogy is crap, mcdonalds is mcdonalds the 5 star restaurant is the 5 star restaurant, they're not even the same company.  With bioware it's 1 company but seperate teams, a better analogy would be movie studios, Warner Bros. distributed The Hangover Part Ii and they'll do the same for The Dark Knight Rises, it's the same studio but different teams I'm not gonna assume The Dark Knight Rises is gonna be a bad sequel just cause The Hangover Part II was. 
I don't care for kinect but it's not like they moved tons of resources over just so they could implement kinect.  Multiplayer is also being made by another team, the sp team isn't waisting there time on it, besides look at Dead Space 2 it had tacked on multiplayer but the campaign was better than Dead Space 1.  Action mode is the same thing as kinect, no waisted resources it just makes the choices for you, if people don't wanna do the dialouge parts fine what ever there loss.  
I'm gonna have to ask you to lend me your time machine, because that's clearly the only way you can know that it has enourmous problems.  As for people voicing their concerns, there's a difference between constructive criticism and pointless cyinisicm, such as stating a game has enourmous problems months before the game has even released.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 07 janvier 2012 - 01:15 .

[DxWill10]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

For me it will be the best game ever made, I just know it

I read this with a little kid's voice.  hmm.. probably little timmy in scrooge's christmas carol.  It makes me even more excited for it

Oh and uh yes I'm staying optimistic.  Loved the story in the 1st game, loved the combat in the second game, expecting a stellar third.

Modifié par DxWill10, 07 janvier 2012 - 01:25 .

[Nashiktal]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Put it this way... when you see a speeding freight train heading towards a broken bridge and the people at the controls keep saying, "we'll stop in time" when they aren't slowing and all evidence given seems to indicate that they won't and aren't really even trying to, then it's hard to believe that they won't end up in the drink.

It's all well to have faith and all, but BioWare have long since shown that the once true adage of "trust BioWare" is dead, and almost nothing they've shown me illustrates that they've made the right decisions and are taking Mass Effect in the right direction. It still seems more about bringing in new fans than appealing to existing ones, and they still seem far too willing to toss their once-great universe down the toilet if it means appealing to the hardcore CoD and Gears crowd.

After Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 and most of the decisions that have been made since EA took the helm, I just can't see ME3 bringing back what ME1 had that ME2 lost. They're still too hung up on following modern trends and mass appeal to make something special, IMO.

Well, I have faith in Casey and Preston. And they did have a bunch to deal with when making ME2, and LotSB was pretty sweet, IMHO.

Huh never knew that, I think I can see where the game was hurt by the lack of manpower and with this knowledge its becomes painfully obvious.

Well as far as we know there was no major diseases this time, so lets see what happens.

[King Minos]

I like Gatts thinking. I am cautious of this game and purchasing purely because it is Mass Effect and it is the last of Shep's trilogy.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I don't think ME3 will ever make it 100% of the franchise potential, but well, there's so much you can do with the choices made by the developer/publisher and the resources.

That said, I'm optimistic and of course I'll give it a good chance. I think it will be a 10/10, best game of this generation, and an unforgettable experience just like its predecessors.

Can't wait.

[King Minos]

Obviously it will get 10/10 just because it's Mass Effect! No game reviewer gives an honest review because they are either bribed or I they don't they get flames by fanboys. Keep your expectations real people, stop being so drunk on optimism.

[Praetor Knight]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well I feel sorry for you.

Actually, I don't, but that's a lot more polite than saying what I really feel.

Though I suppose if you like most or everything you've seen so far then you have a good reason to be optimistic. If not...

Well... thanks, I guess... I mean you are an incredibly sensitive person, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you, afterall.

[Alex_SM]

First time, I played ME1 and ME2 in a row. It was one of the best and most exciting gaming experiences I've ever had.

Right after finishing ME2 I was totally excited about ME3. My thoughts where it was going to be like the best game ever. After all the things that happened in both games I was thinking about all the possibilities opened. ME3 seemed a game to provide endless walkthroughs. I was excited about having a game which cares about what my ingame choices where. I even replayed them lots of times with different characters to provide different save files.

My impression was that ME3 was going to be the hugest game ever made. It needed to take care about lots of things to make it right. It needed to answer many questions. It needed to finish the story of many characters. There wasn't any option except having one of the most ambitious games ever made to fulfill everything both games promised and hinted. It seemed like they where trying to go where none has been before.

But at the end it was Bioware itself who lowered (almost killed) my expectations. They pretty much admitted they never wanted to go so far. Never wanted to go where none has been before. They just wanted to give us an exciting ride, which is something lots of games give us every year. They never wanted to have so much opened paths. They never wanted to give us different walkthroughs depending on our choices.

Now even ME1 and ME2 look different. Looking at them knowing that all that potential was never meant to be fulfilled makes them look irrelevant. It's even worst when I spent more than 20 hours building a team in ME2, to have ME3 just ignoring that team (BW, do you know something about narrative mechanics?).

ME3 is most likely to be a good game. Probably a very good game. But It's a shame BW never got the guts to go where they hinted they wanted to go.

[Someone With Mass]

King Minos wrote...

Obviously it will get 10/10 just because it's Mass Effect! No game reviewer gives an honest review because they are either bribed or I they don't they get flames by fanboys. Keep your expectations real people, stop being so drunk on optimism.

Sure. There's no such thing as a positive subjective view one reviewer might have during his/her experience with the game. Or the personal opinion of a reviewer some people might search for.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I'm late to the game series. I started playing about a month or so before I signed up here. Now, since then.. I purchased all the DLC for both games with ME3 CE ordered for the date of release. I have to say since all the DLC for the games were there when I purchased the games, I had no wait at all. I jumped into the series head-first and loved it. Since everything was ready, I had a good time with no expectations besides the "main course". With ME3 coming soon, I have already completed a couple play throughs on ME1 and on my way with a couple on ME2 near completion. So now I do have expectations and the wait creates either high expectations or just overall excitement of getting to complete a great trilogy thus far. Multi-player adds excitement for myself even if it's limited because instead of posting on a forum about our experiences, we can share them together *for better or worse*. Adding our OWN (Shep is predetermined to an extent) character's race, class, upgrades, ect to our single player campaign adds a unique flavor. Only thing I am worried about is our character's from ME1 and to a more extent - ME2 on how they are handled before the closing credits. I'm not being pessimistic about it, just a little worried that some will get closure and a nice piece of time while others are docked at the bottom or rushed. The reason for that is because ALL the characters in ME2 were played up so good or bad depending on POV (with loyalty missions increasing my interest).

Now, with ME3..
For instance, if Thane can die of his sickness. They could handle it many different ways.
1. You could be in the middle of fighting your good fight with the reapers with Thane dying and you just hear about it.
2. Thane is with you during a story arc involving him, and he sacrifices himself knowing he can die soon anyway.
3. You could be given an ultimatum. Save character/force/planet or find the supposed cure for Thane from a hanar planet. Gives the Thane fans like myself some room to keep him around to play in endgame stories.
4. Option to either take the time to get a cure or similar med to delay his debilitating disease or not which saves from losing something else like in option 3.

Of course, some of us think it's nice to have forced drama, choices, or the option to do it or not. That's just for the character demise and not including his overall involvement in the story (which could be another concern). Plus you have 10+ other characters and new characters to swing in the mix besides Shep and his story arc. I'm just worried, I know the action and MP will be up to par to ME's good standards. I'm not being pessimistic toward character development in ME3, I'm just concerned and worried but I do hope it works for the best.

[King Minos]

Someone With Mass - If it is a big well known game with a **** load of hype, it immediately gets an 9 or 10/10. A perfect example is CoD. Same shot rehashed every year except new setting and guns and bam! 10 out of 10! Gears of War, bam! Perfect scores, Killzone 2 and 3, surprise surprise a perfect score! And if your game sucks, you can always bribe!

[N7Raider]

King Minos wrote...

Someone With Mass - If it is a big well known game with a **** load of hype, it immediately gets an 9 or 10/10. A perfect example is CoD. Same shot rehashed every year except new setting and guns and bam! 10 out of 10! Gears of War, bam! Perfect scores, Killzone 2 and 3, surprise surprise a perfect score! And if your game sucks, you can always bribe!

dayum, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning huh?  And Gears 3 got lower scores than Gears 1 & 2 and Killzone 3 got review scores in the 80's far from perfect.  

[Epic777]

King Minos wrote...

Someone With Mass - If it is a big well known game with a **** load of hype, it immediately gets an 9 or 10/10. A perfect example is CoD. Same shot rehashed every year except new setting and guns and bam! 10 out of 10! Gears of War, bam! Perfect scores, Killzone 2 and 3, surprise surprise a perfect score! And if your game sucks, you can always bribe!

Sigh, Duke Nukem Forever, Fable?

[Alex_SM]

80s is a really high score. It means the game is outstanding.