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Sturmwulfe wrote...


Instead of blanket statement trashing it, why not find a game that sounds interesting and try the multiplayer?


Some people, me included, simply aren't interested in multiplayer, and before you ask, I tried it. It boils down to tastes and playing style. When I play a game I simply sit down and do it and if I get bored I hit the exit button. Bailing out usually doesn't sit well with the playing community. So I had to plan in advance and that's something I'm not doing when playing a game.

My problem with multiplayer is, simply adding it isn't an option. To get a multiplayer functionality worth its name, you have to invest a whole lot of time and money. So the basic concern is, that this effort has some kind of impact on the single player aspects.

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abaris wrote...

Some people, me included, simply aren't interested in multiplayer, and before you ask, I tried it.


Not unless you got a hold of the leak on LIVE.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Not unless you got a hold of the leak on LIVE.


In general terms, but I hope you got that.

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I have not doubt that BioWare will make an unforgettable experience with ME3. I've always been one to withhold judgement until I experience something for myself, so I haven't been affected by some of the negativity here. At the end of the day, though, (and this is something some people tend to forget): it's just a game. Not real life, a game. To get so worked up over something that is, relatively, a small part of our daily lives isn't worth the stress IMO. So relax, take some deep breaths and let come what may on March 6th.

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I think ME3 will be great, don't care about multiplayer, I think I never play it.

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I never really got genre bashing. It always seemed incredibly closed minded and insulting. Let people enjoy the genres that appeal to them.

As for multiplayer, from what I've seen I doubt we'll see a significant cut back in single player quality.

Modifié par Gorosaur, 07 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .


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abaris wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...


Instead of blanket statement trashing it, why not find a game that sounds interesting and try the multiplayer?


Some people, me included, simply aren't interested in multiplayer, and before you ask, I tried it. It boils down to tastes and playing style. When I play a game I simply sit down and do it and if I get bored I hit the exit button. Bailing out usually doesn't sit well with the playing community. So I had to plan in advance and that's something I'm not doing when playing a game.

My problem with multiplayer is, simply adding it isn't an option. To get a multiplayer functionality worth its name, you have to invest a whole lot of time and money. So the basic concern is, that this effort has some kind of impact on the single player aspects.


And all of your points are very valid, I just think a lot of people who trash playing multiplayer just haven't found a game that agrees with them, or only see what's popular. I personally am more of a fan of cooperative gaming than hardcore competitive slugfests, but to each their own right? And it depends what you're doing, but you are right that generally it's frowned upon leaving a session until the match is over. Some games even record that. Fortunately, there's lots of drop in and out kinds of games out there, so there's ways around it.

We'll have to see when the game is released, but I suspect Bioware's probably been working on the multiplayer for quite a long time now, but only released the fact they're making it very recently as a way to bring some more hype to the game. I don't know what it's going to be like, but I do hope it's fairly substantial, and if it is pretty much a survival mode like has been suggested, then I'm fine with that. I just hope it feels like it's a part of the overaching story involving other characters and not just fighting random bad guys for the heck of it.

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  • Hate multiplayer in general, so a game that includes it in any capacity is a no go.
  • What was read in the leak was below high expectations and didn't satisfy every desire
  • Expected a semi-linear game franchise to be vast and highly branched
  • Hate that the combat was refined
  • Hate that companies want to have both a base and new consumers and use marketing
  • Pre-Order incentives don't line up with my OCD
  • Romance and ME2 characters aren't the main focus, so the whole plot is ruined
  • Tali and Liara.  And Ashley.  And that lame Vega.  Hell to all the characters except Shepard.
  • BioWare has no idea what they are doing
  • Dragon Age 2 is ruining Mass Effect 3
  • Origin is going to steal all my tax and banking information and sell it to jihadists, and then ban me for it.
  • It's not available on Steam, which has never done wrong since its conception
  • Already cancelled preorder 9 times, so why stop now?  Preorder cancelled.
;)

On a serious note, the game will be great.  Just like everything else I enjoy, I will end up nitpicking a few things once it is all said and done, and that's ok.  As long as I love what I'm doing while I'm doing it, and want to go back for more, I'll be perfectly content.  

And if things don't all fall in place?  That's fine too.  I have more important factors in my life to focus my attention on (such as my actual life) than fake romances and subordinates.



Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 07 janvier 2012 - 07:49 .


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Oh man! I totally thought you were serious at first with those bullet points! LOL It wasn't until I hit your point about selling personal information to jihadists I realized you were poking fun at the very vocal complainers. Well played, sir, well played. I think you managed to cover almost all of the over reactions. ;)

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ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.

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Sturmwulfe wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

Oh man! I totally thought you were serious at first with those bullet points! LOL It wasn't until I hit your point about selling personal information to jihadists I realized you were poking fun at the very vocal complainers. Well played, sir, well played. I think you managed to cover almost all of the over reactions. ;)



Not all of them, and I can see where some folks do come from (the marketing is terrible, Origin lacks legislation and EA pushed it out before it was ready to be used, etc), but the overall pessimism, especially the complaints that are directly towards the game, are hard to take seriously when you actually read into it.

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I guess you can call me a pessimist, because I'm not going to pre-order ME3. I want to see how the story turns out, but I can do that from the bargain bin months after it comes out just as easily as day one if I don't like what I see and hear.

Modifié par Aaleel, 07 janvier 2012 - 07:37 .


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abaris wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...


ME1 was amazing, ME2 was amazing. ME3 will be amazing.

What is so unrealistic about this?



It's an assumption. I agree on the first two, but I haven't seen the third one yet. Calling something amazing, before having seen it with my own two eyes is wishful thinking or having high expectations.

Well, by being optimistic or pessimist you're already making an assumption that the game will either be good or disappoint you. High expectations = being optimistic. I could say, "ME is gonna be good", or great, amazing, etc. My point is, based on the previous games being very good, being optimistic about the third one in not unrealistic. At all.

If the person didn't like one of the previous games, that's different.

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ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

Oh man! I totally thought you were serious at first with those bullet points! LOL It wasn't until I hit your point about selling personal information to jihadists I realized you were poking fun at the very vocal complainers. Well played, sir, well played. I think you managed to cover almost all of the over reactions. ;)



Not all of them, and I can see where some folks do come from (the marketing is terrible, Origin lacks legislation and EA pushed it out before it was ready to be used, etc), but the overall pessimism, especially the complaints that are directly towards the game, are hard to take seriously when you actually read into it.


It's true. There is merit in what some people are saying, but I think people just like to complain because they can. Ripe overreactions to everything and being pessimistic never helped anyone. I mean, getting your expectations so high nothing can meet them is just as bad, and some people are uber guilty of that. Oh well, no skin off my back when the game comes out. I'll be enjoying the game for what it is while other people will gripe the whole way through because something wasn't exactly as they wanted it. I should bug the community to see if anyone wants to try out the multiplayer after the game comes out.

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Sturmwulfe wrote...


We'll have to see when the game is released, but I suspect Bioware's probably been working on the multiplayer for quite a long time now, but only released the fact they're making it very recently as a way to bring some more hype to the game.


Well, I guess they started working on it when they postponed the release date. There even has been some statement by some EA brass hinting at that.

But it's only a guess.

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abaris wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...


We'll have to see when the game is released, but I suspect Bioware's probably been working on the multiplayer for quite a long time now, but only released the fact they're making it very recently as a way to bring some more hype to the game.


Well, I guess they started working on it when they postponed the release date. There even has been some statement by some EA brass hinting at that.

But it's only a guess.


They revealed it because they were ready to show it off to the press.  

You don't announce something and have nothing to show with it.  Look at Nintendo with the WiiU (Let's just ignore the whole stupidity of the concept for the time being).  They had no real games to show and a prototype that was made clear that it wouldn't be the final product.  The few games announced were the builds on other systems.  In the end, there was a lot of confusion and skepticism.  

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tfive24 wrote...

ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.



Ok I understand DA 2 (I still like DA 2 but I understand it's criticism and even agree with much of it), but ME 2?  What did ME 2 do to you?  Even if you didn't like the changes from ME 1 to ME 2 I don't see how you can complain about being burned. 

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.



Ok I understand DA 2 (I still like DA 2 but I understand it's criticism and even agree with much of it), but ME 2?  What did ME 2 do to you?  Even if you didn't like the changes from ME 1 to ME 2 I don't see how you can complain about being burned. 

 


gears of  effect  2  come on you  should know the answer to question the same  BSN nayser debating  point that is used  all the time. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 07 janvier 2012 - 09:57 .


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nitefyre410 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.



Ok I understand DA 2 (I still like DA 2 but I understand it's criticism and even agree with much of it), but ME 2?  What did ME 2 do to you?  Even if you didn't like the changes from ME 1 to ME 2 I don't see how you can complain about being burned. 

 


gears of  effect  2  come on you  should know the answer to question.


Which is an ignorant comparison complainers often make.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.



Ok I understand DA 2 (I still like DA 2 but I understand it's criticism and even agree with much of it), but ME 2?  What did ME 2 do to you?  Even if you didn't like the changes from ME 1 to ME 2 I don't see how you can complain about being burned. 

 


gears of  effect  2  come on you  should know the answer to question.


Which is an ignorant comparison complainers often make.

 

I agree but  that won't stop them for doing  it   again and again and again.   I have  had my issues with  ME 2 mosty with  story telling but I still greatly enjoyed the game and I think ME 3 will be a game that I enjoy.  By know we  can put this whole debate and summarize with pictures, bullet points and power point presentation.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 07 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .


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KotorEffect3 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

ME3 will not be a 1st day, 1st week, or 1st month buy for me. I will pick it later when it's 20 like I should have for ME2 and DA2. I have been burnt twice by Bioware and will not be burnt again.



Ok I understand DA 2 (I still like DA 2 but I understand it's criticism and even agree with much of it), but ME 2?  What did ME 2 do to you?  Even if you didn't like the changes from ME 1 to ME 2 I don't see how you can complain about being burned. 


I'm sorry, but I didn't like the changes to the game like no inventory , ammo clips, and everyone had having the no armour.  i didn't like the streamlining of the game. The game was too much gears-lite for me. I like gears of war, but i don't want to play it all the time on other game too.,

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I'm giving ME3 a chance. In fact I'm giving it more than one! I plan on playing the entire series over and over when I finish!

I will not stop until i play all classes with all outcomes in all games. :D

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Optimistic about: The game. I have very few complaints or concerns for the quality of the game itself.

Pessimistic about: This Origin business. As a PC gamer, the increasing trend of privacy invasion and trying to turn products into services is disheartening.

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Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Optimistic about: The game. I have very few complaints or concerns for the quality of the game itself.

Pessimistic about: This Origin business. As a PC gamer, the increasing trend of privacy invasion and trying to turn products into services is disheartening.


You only need origin to activate it. After that you can play without it, from what I understand.

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squee365 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Optimistic about: The game. I have very few complaints or concerns for the quality of the game itself.

Pessimistic about: This Origin business. As a PC gamer, the increasing trend of privacy invasion and trying to turn products into services is disheartening.


You only need origin to activate it. After that you can play without it, from what I understand.


Maybe, but I doubt it'll let you uninstall Origin and still run ME3. Biowares (and EA's) silence on the matter is not encouraging though, like their trying to save the announcement till the last second so as to avoid cancelled pre-orders. Time will tell I suppose.