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[Vapaa]

Gunderic wrote...

-- Dumbed down, with stripped out RPG elements

Proof or it didn't happen

[KotorEffect3]

Gunderic wrote...

From what I observed Mass Effect 3 looks to be the following:

-- Dumbed down, with stripped out RPG elements in favour of Gears of War style combat.

-- Multiplayer gimmick because EA thinks multiplayer always means more sales.

-- Now we just got news about Origin.

-- Much better games have already been released, by the looks of it.

-- BioWare has lost street cred since DA 2.
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That said, I'm willing to give it a chance, maybe.

1.  Must be blind or ignorant to say that since everything they have shown in actualy demos has proven otherwise

2.  Will somewhat give you that one but the co-op thing actualy isn't a bad idea depending on how well it is implemented

3.  Could care less I play on the 360

4.  Blasphemy and incorrect.  Name one.

5.  Once again I don't know how many times I have had to tell you people this.  DA2 HAS ZERO RELEVANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ME 3.  DIFFERENT DEV TEAM, DIFFERENT TIMETABLE, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING END OF STORY!!

[Aaleel]

I pessimistic that the major choices made in the first two games will have tangible, substantive rewards or consequences.

I don't care as much about the gameplay as this. Also worried about how are they going to handle fighting reapers and ultimately beating them. They made Sovereign such a beast in ME1, this part may be hard.

[Iakus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The first two games have been building the arrival of the reapers.

Well, you're half right 

[KotorEffect3]

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The first two games have been building the arrival of the reapers.

Well, you're half right 

half right?

[Iakus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The first two games have been building the arrival of the reapers.

Well, you're half right 

half right?

LOTSB and Arrival aside, most of ME2 built up the arrival of the Reapers about as much as Bring Down the Sky did. 

That said, the fact that the Reapers are in fact front and center in ME3 and that storyline will finally be completed is one of the straws I'm holding onto in the wake of all the bad news ME3 keeps hitting me with.

Modifié par iakus, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:00 .

[KotorEffect3]

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The first two games have been building the arrival of the reapers.

Well, you're half right 

half right?

LOTSB and Arrival aside, most of ME2 built up the arrival of the Reapers about as much as Bring Down the Sky did. 

That said, the fact that the Reapers are in fact front and center in ME3 and that storyline will finally be completed is one of the straws I'm holding onto in the wake of all the bad news ME3 keeps hitting me with.

bad news?  what the hell dude?  Oh and in ME 2 you went inside a reaper and saw another one being created for crying out loud

[mitthrawuodo]

I think that most fear is made by DA2 because some feel Bioware dropped the ball (another debate) and that if you look at the other games around (cough skyrim) ME3 will be in comparison to them worst which will ruin the overall feel (personally I find skyrim lacks something I can't put my finger on but is there and makes the game worse and find Mass Effect to have more heart or soul)

Modifié par mitthrawuodo, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:19 .

[Volus Warlord]

Volus Warlord wrote...

ME3, my humble take

Reasons to be optimistic:
-I loved ME2. Loved the story depth and attention to detail, semi-branched plotline, and sound basic mechanics.Did at least one playthrough with all classes but Soldier. Engineer ftw. Eat my drones.

Reasons to pessimistic:
-I think Cerberus is the best organization in the ME universe, and it appears they will be annihilated in shame.
-I can't say I'm not disappointed with the romance situation. Is anybody really happy with it? Maybe that will be my next poll.
-Many of favorite characters (Legion, Grunt) appear to have minimal involvement
-While I haven't viewed the leaks (I REFUSE to), most of the feedback I've heard about them is negative. Almost monotonously negative. Makes me suspicious.
-I'm legitimately concerned they will go overboard with the undertones. Sorry, but they tend ****** me off more than anything. Push to hard, and you begin to alienate chunks of your fanbase..

Items that go both ways:
-Multiplayer. I'm still not sure what to think. It could add even more replayability to the game (which is always welcome), which ME2's was excellent. On the other side, if it's crap it could destroy the series, and if it's awesome it could usurp the emphasis from single player, which is what I played ME for. Also, I want to fight as Volus.
-Game-to-game continuity. If it's all about making sense of what happened in ME2 and ME, the game will play like a series of mortgage payments. It should have some space to be its own game. On the flip side, I hate retcons and contradictions. I hate them passionately.

Tokens of indifference:
-Reduced squad size. I only used a few key members of the ME2 squad regularly. It would really have minimal impact on gameplay.
-Little middle ground between Renegade or Paragon. I almost went Renegade all out. I did one Paragon playthrough and hated myself for it.
-Resemblence to other games, such as GoW. I like ME more that Gears. The only Gears I played was the first. It's not copying if you're better.

Other notes:
I am admittingly skeptical and negative by nature.

Self-Quoting for effect.

[Gatt9]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
5.  Once again I don't know how many times I have had to tell you people this.  DA2 HAS ZERO RELEVANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ME 3.  DIFFERENT DEV TEAM, DIFFERENT TIMETABLE, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING END OF STORY!!

Well,  I'd venture you're going to have to keep saying it until you realize that it's the same company,  with the same bosses,  the same approval process,  and the same market expectations.

You keep acting like there's some huge difference here,  DA2 was because EA decided this is what they wanted to ship,  and ME3 will be what EA wants to ship.

There's no immunity stick here,  ME3 team is subject to the exact same forces that produced DA2.  Just because their nametags have something different on them doesn't mean that they now can ignore EA's orders.

[saturos2]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

ME3, my humble take

Reasons to be optimistic:
-I loved ME2. Loved the story depth and attention to detail, semi-branched plotline, and sound basic mechanics.Did at least one playthrough with all classes but Soldier. Engineer ftw. Eat my drones.

Reasons to pessimistic:
-I think Cerberus is the best organization in the ME universe, and it appears they will be annihilated in shame.
-I can't say I'm not disappointed with the romance situation. Is anybody really happy with it? Maybe that will be my next poll.
-Many of favorite characters (Legion, Grunt) appear to have minimal involvement
-While I haven't viewed the leaks (I REFUSE to), most of the feedback I've heard about them is negative. Almost monotonously negative. Makes me suspicious.
-I'm legitimately concerned they will go overboard with the undertones. Sorry, but they tend ****** me off more than anything. Push to hard, and you begin to alienate chunks of your fanbase..

Items that go both ways:
-Multiplayer. I'm still not sure what to think. It could add even more replayability to the game (which is always welcome), which ME2's was excellent. On the other side, if it's crap it could destroy the series, and if it's awesome it could usurp the emphasis from single player, which is what I played ME for. Also, I want to fight as Volus.
-Game-to-game continuity. If it's all about making sense of what happened in ME2 and ME, the game will play like a series of mortgage payments. It should have some space to be its own game. On the flip side, I hate retcons and contradictions. I hate them passionately.

Tokens of indifference:
-Reduced squad size. I only used a few key members of the ME2 squad regularly. It would really have minimal impact on gameplay.
-Little middle ground between Renegade or Paragon. I almost went Renegade all out. I did one Paragon playthrough and hated myself for it.
-Resemblence to other games, such as GoW. I like ME more that Gears. The only Gears I played was the first. It's not copying if you're better.

Other notes:
I am admittingly skeptical and negative by nature.

Self-Quoting for effect.

gears 3's gameplay is far superior to mass effect 2 and 3. 

[Graunt]

mitthrawuodo wrote...

I think that most fear is made by DA2 because some feel Bioware dropped the ball (another debate) and that if you look at the other games around (cough skyrim) ME3 will be in comparison to them worst which will ruin the overall feel (personally I find skyrim lacks something I can't put my finger on but is there and makes the game worse and find Mass Effect to have more heart or soul)

There's no way ME3 is going to be worse than Skyrim.  Pretty much every Bethesda game is the most overrated game of that year when it's released, and Skyrim is no exception.  Barely-better-than-Oblivion-with-1994-combat-mechanics doesn't cut it.  After you finish it once, there's literally no reason to replay it.

Gatt9 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
5.  Once
again I don't know how many times I have had to tell you people this. 
DA2 HAS ZERO RELEVANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ME 3.  DIFFERENT DEV TEAM,
DIFFERENT TIMETABLE, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING END OF STORY!!

Well, 
I'd venture you're going to have to keep saying it until you realize
that it's the same company,  with the same bosses,  the same approval
process,  and the same market expectations.

You keep acting like
there's some huge difference here,  DA2 was because EA decided this is
what they wanted to ship,  and ME3 will be what EA wants to ship.

There's
no immunity stick here,  ME3 team is subject to the exact same forces that produced DA2.  Just because their nametags have something different on them doesn't mean that they now can ignore EA's orders.

So I guess what you're trying to imply is that it was EA that decided to postpone the release date by 4-6 months to make it better?  Yeah right. They didn't want the same negative reaction as to what DA2 received due to their supposed meddling and already knew that they would end up making more money if they gave a little more leeway this time around.  So yeah, there's a slight immunity stick happening.

Modifié par Graunt, 15 janvier 2012 - 12:14 .

[Last Vizard]

Graunt wrote...

mitthrawuodo wrote...

I think that most fear is made by DA2 because some feel Bioware dropped the ball (another debate) and that if you look at the other games around (cough skyrim) ME3 will be in comparison to them worst which will ruin the overall feel (personally I find skyrim lacks something I can't put my finger on but is there and makes the game worse and find Mass Effect to have more heart or soul)

There's no way ME3 is going to be worse than Skyrim.  Pretty much every Bethesda game is the most overrated game of that year when it's released, and Skyrim is no exception.  Barely-better-than-Oblivion-with-1994-combat-mechanics doesn't cut it.  After you finish it once, there's literally no reason to replay it.

Gatt9 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
5.  Once
again I don't know how many times I have had to tell you people this. 
DA2 HAS ZERO RELEVANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ME 3.  DIFFERENT DEV TEAM,
DIFFERENT TIMETABLE, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING END OF STORY!!

Well, 
I'd venture you're going to have to keep saying it until you realize
that it's the same company,  with the same bosses,  the same approval
process,  and the same market expectations.

You keep acting like
there's some huge difference here,  DA2 was because EA decided this is
what they wanted to ship,  and ME3 will be what EA wants to ship.

There's
no immunity stick here,  ME3 team is subject to the exact same forces that produced DA2.  Just because their nametags have something different on them doesn't mean that they now can ignore EA's orders.

So I guess what you're trying to imply is that it was EA that decided to postpone the release date by 4-6 months to make it better?  Yeah right. They didn't want the same negative reaction as to what DA2 received due to their supposed meddling and already knew that they would end up making more money if they gave a little more leeway this time around.  So yeah, there's a slight immunity stick happening.

I thought ME3 was delayed thanks to SW:TOR... mostly EA comes out at night, mostly.

[Aaleel]

Last Vizard wrote...

I thought ME3 was delayed thanks to SW:TOR... mostly EA comes out at night, mostly.

NEWT!

[Last Vizard]

Aaleel wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

I thought ME3 was delayed thanks to SW:TOR... mostly EA comes out at night, mostly.

NEWT!

Yeah lol watching Aliens 2 right now, probably watched it several hundred times since I first watched it in year 2 I think... that and big trouble little china.

[Redcoat]

Hmm, another passive-aggressive "What's With All The Hate?"-type post. I'll bite.

I don't think people "aren't giving ME3 a chance"...they're simply concerned with what's been shown and what's been announced:

- Look at the trailers so far, and what have we seen? Shooter, shooter, shooter, shooter...nary an RPG mechanic in sight. The whole thing looks like yet another "A Space Marine Is You"-style shooter...do we really need another one of those?

- Multiplayer affecting single-player: I wouldn't give a damn about multiplayer if it were completely separate (though I would take issue with time and money wasted implementing it) from the single-player experience, but it isn't. Instead, we have to play it to gain enough war assets in order to gain the desired ending, or do some as-of-yet-unspecified amount of work to make up for not playing MP. This is terrible design, thrown in for no other reason than to entice used game buyers to purchase EA Online Passes.

- The leaked script: BioWare said that it doesn't represent the final product, yet at the same time suggested anyone wanting to avoid spoilers shouldn't read it, indicating that some or most of it is true. And while some of what I've read is good, a lot of is bad...really bad. I won't spoil it by revealing anything, but some of what they've done to certain characters, like Joker and EDI, is downright awful. Some of it made me wonder if I was actually reading fan fiction instead.

I don't think the game is doomed to failure, but there's a lot of troubling signs, which is why it won't be a day-one purchase for me.

[hitorihanzo]

I'm not pessimistic, I'm cautious. Here are two things that I think:

1. BioWare took their best writers and put them on the SWTOR team because that game was behind schedule. What have we seen since that has taken place? The overall quality of BioWare's writing has taken a slight dip. Keep in mind that this is simply my opinion.

2. Dragon Age 2 came out featuring some truly... Mind-boggling development designs, and mediocre writing. Now I do realize that it was a different dev team than ME2, but it was still released by BioWare. That means someone with the authority to implement changes saw the finished product and thought that there was no problem. It showed some gamers that BioWare, while still a great company overall, is still capable of making not just bad decisions, but terrible decisions.

3. The response to the leak (from people who's opinion I greatly respect) was more negative than positive. I picked over the beginning to the leak, and didn't find anything negative, but a LOT of people read the entire thing and it left a bad taste in their mouths.

I am honestly looking forward to ME3. ME2 is my favorite game of all time. But save a few games as of late (Saints Row the 3rd, Arkham City), I have been disappointed with EVERY GAME I HAVE BOUGHT. Including Skyrim (boring as hell). I just don't think that game devs have it in them to make mind-blowing games anymore.

[Winzzy]

 Not that it matters to anyone else but I have purchased the following so far;

BG 1 and expansion
BG 2 and expansion (first collectors edition I ever had!)
MDK 2
NWN
Dragon Age
Dragon Age 2
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Tons of DLC
SWKotR
Jade Empire

I am not going to use origion, and now only purchase my games via steam... It was a nice run Bioware but it looks like for now we will have to part ways.

[sonsofanarchy10]

WTH? Being here alone I think implies deep down you are looking forward to this game. wow.

[Redcoat]

Origin is a major sore point. I'd consider buying the game after it came down in price, but honestly? I'd no sooner put Origin on my PC than I would chow down on a lump of plutonium.

[xentar]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The first two games have been building the arrival of the reapers. In ME 3 the reapers finally show up. How can anyone not be excited about that?

Not everyone signed up for a war story when starting ME1. And I specifically dislike war stories...

[Someone With Mass]

How one couldn't count on a war with the Reapers at the end of ME1 is beyond me.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

How one couldn't count on a war with the Reapers at the end of ME1 is beyond me.

It's not like ME1 wasn't something of a war story itself.  It even did the whole "officer gives big inspirational speech" thing more than once, and four of the major sequences (Eden Prime, Feros, Virmire and the endgame Citadel) were set in straight-up warzones.  Plus, you know, the whole "you're in the military" thing.

[Rockworm503]

Simply put
I'm optimistic about the game itself
I'm extremely pessimistic about the DRM so much that it cancels out my optimism.