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Optimism Vs Pessimist, why won't you give Mass Effect 3 a chance?


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Biotic Sage

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[quote]Battlepope190 wrote...

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Multiplayer is unnecessary (for anything but sales), but it could be entertaining for its own part.

I've read the leaked script and conceptually everything seems great to me.  Even if it didn't seem good conceptually, I really don't think it would be fair to judge them on a rough concept sketch when you haven't seen it executed with visuals, music, voice over, sound effects, and gameplay.  So you did like both ME1 and ME2?
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I enjoyed both, but prefer 1 by far. I'm also unwilling to believe that any real changes will be made to the script so late in development like Bioware suggested would happen. Devs say things all the time and it almost always ends up being lies, so I'll be happy believing nothing has changed from that script until I'm proven wrong.

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PM me what you think is bad about the script.

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I enjoyed both, but prefer 1 by far. I'm also unwilling to believe that any real changes will be made to the script so late in development like Bioware suggested would happen. Devs say things all the time and it almost always ends up being lies, so I'll be happy believing nothing has changed from that script until I'm proven wrong.

EDIT: Seems I muffed that quote, lol.

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Battlepope190 wrote...
I already paid it off ages ago and while I don't think it will be good I'm still willing to take the chance that it might somehow be.

What do you mean pay off? How could you order it for its full price?
If you just pre-ordered it, you just lose a couple of bucks.

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Why won't i give ME3 a Chance? i do, i'm just heavily worrying about the rising number of questionable design choices that keep coming out.

Modifié par Fixers0, 06 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .


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Haters are going to hate and nitpickers are going to nitpick. The game will be great.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Haters are going to hate and nitpickers are going to nitpick. The game will be great.


Haters are gonna hate.

And ballas they gonna ball.

Reapers, they gonna reap.

And rachni are gonna crawl.


Modifié par Biotic Sage, 06 janvier 2012 - 08:58 .


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I prefer pessimistic approach, because, if your expectations are low, then you won't be disappointed.

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Plaguemaster wrote...

I prefer pessimistic approach, because, if your expectations are low, then you won't be disappointed.


Yep, better to be a pessimist that gets pleasantly surprised than an optimist that gets burned.

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I am pretty optimistic about the game it got delayed which is a good thing if it's Bioware. It will get the time it deserves and I can't wait to play it.

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Wow, a rah rah thread. That's novel.

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I'm very optimistic.

I couldn't care less how much of an RPG ME3 technically is - I'm here for the story and the characters.

ME1 showed Bioware can pull of a great story in the ME universe.
ME2 showed they can pull off great characters and character stories in the ME universe.

All they need to do for ME3 is do both in the same game. And as long as they can do that, and make at least some of the previous choices have a significant impact (I already know a couple that do), then I'll be happy.

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I try and stay neutral, not pessimistic nor optimist. I believe ME3 will be great, I don't believe it is the 2nd coming that will refine gaming. Also, I wish people would use common sense when buying into 'marketing hype'. Skyrim's infinite quests is the prime example, the resources needed to create random quests on a very complex level would be too much for this current generation of gaming.

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

I'm very optimistic.

I couldn't care less how much of an RPG ME3 technically is - I'm here for the story and the characters.

ME1 showed Bioware can pull of a great story in the ME universe.
ME2 showed they can pull off great characters and character stories in the ME universe.

All they need to do for ME3 is do both in the same game. And as long as they can do that, and make at least some of the previous choices have a significant impact (I already know a couple that do), then I'll be happy.


Exactly: Bioware has shown.  There is evidence and precedent that they know what they're doing.  I wouldn't even call expecting ME3 to be good optimism, I'd just call it logic (assuming you liked the first two games).

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .


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Candidate, you have my vote.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Haters are going to hate and nitpickers are going to nitpick. The game will be great.

And BioDrones will continue to lick BiowEAre's boots

Modifié par DarthCaine, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .


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DarthCaine wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Haters are going to hate and nitpickers are going to nitpick. The game will be great.

And BioDrones will continue to lick BiowEAre's balls


This forum? Most of the threads are complaints!

Modifié par Epic777, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .


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DarthCaine wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Haters are going to hate and nitpickers are going to nitpick. The game will be great.

And BioDrones will continue to lick BiowEAre's boots


I spit on them for Dragon Age 2.  I give credit where credit is due in the Mass Effect series until that development team disappoints me.

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Epic777 wrote...

This forum? Most of the threads are complaints!

It wouldn't be much fun if every new thread was OMG BIOWARE YOU'RE SO AWESOME!!!, would it? It'd only get a few replies, nothing really to discuss there.

Haters post new threads, don't really care much after the first post.
Then fanboys spends pages and pages debating why their biased view is better than the hater's biased views.
It's the circle of life.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .


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Bioware has been promissing big branching plots in their games for awhile now. And I think it's safe to say, we've all played very similar games. Passed experience, and the leaked script would dictate that it's not happening in ME3. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. That being said, I think ME3 will be a good game, I just don't think it will have a solid plot, and I don't think it will deliver on the promises bioware's been making all these years.

Modifié par Slidell505, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:57 .


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Sweawm wrote...



It is hard to go about BSN these days without being swamped
in messages concerning everyone's doubts and what they personally hate about
Mass Effect. When it comes to Mass Effect 3, everyone seems to be a pessimist.
These forums seem to tell Bioware the exact wrong thing. Everyone spends there
time complaining about characters and everything else about Mass Effect.



Why can't everyone just be optimistic about the product they are looking
forward to?



Hey! Don't let it get you down - loads of people are absolutely stoked about ME3, stoked I tell you. From some people I have heard little else.


Sweawm wrote...


Lastly and the largest problem here is Origin. OK. Everyone accepts that it’s
not very popular in this realm of the Internet (If any). We all know about
Origin and its specifications. Sure, it’s always good to inform a less knowledgeable
gamer about such qualms with the online system, but do we really need to get a
stream of hate mail in here? People ranting on about boycotting and even daring
to hint at piracy. You’re directing your anger in the entirely wrong place.
Bioware doesn’t get to make a choice about what Publisher they have.



I was outraged when I discovered that one of my other favourite game sequels
required me to have Steam. Sure, that
may have not been a big issue for other people; but out in my area, my
connection is slow as a trickle. It takes me thirty seconds to load up Google
on some days. The fact of having a system in which I must spend ages
downloading a game I brought through retail infuriated me. It wasn't the games
fault, or the developer. They made the choice to publish with Valve Corp. While
I returned the game, I couldn't help but sigh at what I was missing out on.



Please, Bioware haven’t even told us anything about how Mass Effect 3 will
involve Origin. Direct your hate mail to somewhere else other than Bioware's forums
and really: all this tough speech of talking about not playing Mass Effect 3 at
all is really pointless. Plus, you’re really missing out on something.


No. There is no sane, rational reason to stop telling people that an Origin requirement is unacceptable until 1) it is fixed or 2) there is no requirement or 3) the decision has been made, you can't buy the game but at least you explained why.

Steam is neither here nor there, it has nothing in common with Origin in terms of the actual privacy problem that people are concerned about.

Sweawm wrote...
Next big thing that sucks about the community here is that everyone is too
focused on their own opinions. I have opinions, you have opinions. That's the
special thing about the Mass Effect fan base; we have different experiences
when playing the game. Whenever someone simply throws something out there such
as this character is better than that other character, everything must start
flinging mud.

Can't anybody here accept other opinions?


BSN has a number of well observed and discussed characteristics. I've seen it said that we are all sexual deviants and smug first year philosophy undergrads who are unable to accept that our opinions are not fact.

This heinous slur is a complete lie, for a start some of us are second years, drop-outs or even media undergrads.

Seriously though, there are lots of regulars here, and we mostly accept fellow community members' opinions and attitudes, warts and all, but you will meet a heck of  lot of argument on the basis "my opinion is fact" just like nearly any other gaming-related forum.

BSN is far, far from the worst of these.

Sweawm wrote...
Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game. I've already pre-ordered it and I'm waiting
till March eagerly.   Why must everyone be such a pessimist when it comes
to the final instalment of the trilogy?


Don't sweat it. People whinge in forum posts, it doesn't necessarily mean there aren't lots of people looking forward to it.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:05 .


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DarthCaine wrote...

You say pessimists, I say realists.
Simple really, optimists choose what they wanna believe, the others see what's really there

Agreed.  I too am a realist, have been for months.

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I don't understand why people say this subforum is very negative... I wouldn't say it's incorrect but I get the feeling there's still a healthy amount of fans (and fanboys).
I've seen worse, like the UK forums for Battlefield or the Gamefaqs board for Final Fantasy XIII-2. Both are miserable places.

As for the game, I'll see how good it is in March so I will give it a chance.

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Da_Lion_Man wrote...
Gamefaqs


Why would you do that?

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I'm never saying that a Haters opinion is incorrect. I could sit here all day and blabber on about who some characters I completely hate. There were a few parts of the Mass Effect games which I felt where entire let downs. Every user is entitled to their opinion, is all I'm saying. My opinion is no more valued than another, yet I won't trash another user for it nor do I hold any malice or discontent for people who do not like Mass Effect and rather play Modern Warfare 3 all day.

I didn't start this thread to complain, I was pointed out a few flaws we have here. Its to advance (just like as I said earlier) my own personnel opinion. Give Mass Effect 3 a chance, don't sit there like a Star Wars fanboy who rants on how the Prequel Trilogy sucked so much.

I'm no blind optimist who believes everything the marketers tell you. They'll tell you Origin ****s gold out your CD drive if you download it. There is a difference between blind fanboy belief and some actual optimism that a game will be good.

Honestly, I simply expect Mass Effect 3 to build upon what made 1 and 2 great and create an even better game, you can trust Bioware to at least do that.

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DarthCaine wrote...

It wouldn't be much fun if every new thread was OMG BIOWARE YOU'RE SO AWESOME!!!, would it? It'd only get a few replies, nothing really to discuss there.

Haters post new threads, don't really care much after the first post.
Then fanboys spends pages and pages debating why their biased view is better than the hater's biased views.
It's the circle of life.


Both types of threads you bring up are not constructive most of the time, though. Then some of those threads can often lead to a whole heap of trouble for little good reason when they get out of hand. And they easily give newcomers a bad impression of these forums too.

Nevertheless, I'm glad that the ME related boards have been pretty good overall, all things considered.