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[Kaiser Shepard]

Savber100 wrote...

Hence why I'm kinda surprised why people like Kaiser to expect more from Bioware. Did we honestly think that ME3 will have Witcher 2-styled C&C? >.>

God no, but I at least expected something that tries to be inspired by DAO, and perhaps even Alpha Protocol as well.

Biotic Sage wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Lots of people like Justin Bieber as well, and most people prefer McDonalds over a restaurant with actual Michelin stars.

Ah yes, the "Justin Bieber / Twilight" fallacy.  The "everybody likes it so it must be bad," reverse bandwagon fallacy.  "Hipster's Delight" as some may call it.

Then what are you, he who claims it must be good because the masses like it? If I, by your logic, am a hipster, then you are nothing more than an unthinking sheep.

There is a difference here.  Justin Bieber does not receive universal acclaim.  "Universal acclaim" is when both the masses and the elite in the relevant field praise you.  No music elite praise Justin Bieber, just as no elite directors/authors praise the abomination of storytelling that is Twilight.  The Mass Effect series has gotten universal acclaim because it appeals to the masses and to the gaming elite.

Mass Effect's acclaim is far from universal as well; one only need to take a look at these very boards to realise that.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 06 janvier 2012 - 01:15 .

[Biotic Sage]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect's acclaim is far from universal as well; one only need to take a look at these very boards to realise that.

So...for something to have "universal acclaim," for you that means a Borg-like consensus where there is not even one dissenting opinion?  Not even a 1% that disagrees?  These boards don't even represent 1% of the people who have played Mass Effect, and of them not even 50% agree with you.  Are you really so deluded to think your miniscule dissenting opinion is an affront to the universal acclaim of the Mass Effect series?

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 06 janvier 2012 - 01:19 .

[Savber100]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Hence why I'm kinda surprised why people like Kaiser to expect more from Bioware. Did we honestly think that ME3 will have Witcher 2-styled C&C? >.>

God no, but I at least expected something that tries to be inspired by DAO, and perhaps even Alpha Protocol as well.

Wait you lost me at "inspired by DAO". 

I don't recall any significant consequences besides for those epilogue slides. 
Most of your choices were just a sprinkle of extra dialogue here and some different races to play with in the finale there. DAO was just the typical Bioware linearfest with an excellent illusion of choice. 


Having read the leaked beta script, I don't see how the C&C will disappoint if you used DAO as an example since while the conseqeunces aren't Witcher 2-styled, it definitely seems to surpass DAO. 

Modifié par Savber100, 06 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[spirosz]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect's acclaim is far from universal as well; one only need to take a look at these very boards to realise that.

Right.. because these boards represent the majority of fans for Bioware/Mass Effect... <_<

[nitefyre410]

Savber100 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Hence why I'm kinda surprised why people like Kaiser to expect more from Bioware. Did we honestly think that ME3 will have Witcher 2-styled C&C? >.>

God no, but I at least expected something that tries to be inspired by DAO, and perhaps even Alpha Protocol as well.

Wait you lost me at "inspired by DAO". 

I don't recall any significant consequences besides for those epilogue slides. 
Most of your choices were just a sprinkle of extra dialogue here and some different races to play with in the finale there. DAO was just the typical Bioware linearfest with an excellent illusion of choice. 


Having read the leaked beta script, I don't see how the C&C will disappoint if you used DAO as an example since while the conseqeunces aren't Witcher 2-styled, it definitely seems to surpass DAO. 

 

but don't you  understand that DA:O is the permire example of the player choice in a vidoe game and anything else  falls woefully short unless its the Witcher 2. <_< 


The  bolded is the exact point that I think people   miss ... there is no choice  just  illusion of the choice in these games... Which fine by me ... I still enjoy  them but I know that I will always end one of the spots the creators choose the outcome.

[Biotic Sage]

spiros9110 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect's acclaim is far from universal as well; one only need to take a look at these very boards to realise that.

Right.. because these boards represent the majority of fans for Bioware/Mass Effect... <_<

When you're delusional...

[log1x_dr4g0n]

A couple of my friends who play Mass Effect don't come on these boards. lol I told them they wouldn't want to, and they wondered why, and when I gave them the link, they lol'd, and said they're glad they're not into forums.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Savber100 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Hence why I'm kinda surprised why people like Kaiser to expect more from Bioware. Did we honestly think that ME3 will have Witcher 2-styled C&C? >.>

God no, but I at least expected something that tries to be inspired by DAO, and perhaps even Alpha Protocol as well.

Wait you lost me at "inspired by DAO". 

I don't recall any significant consequences besides for those epilogue slides. 
Most of your choices were just a sprinkle of extra dialogue here and some different races to play with in the finale there. DAO was just the typical Bioware linearfest with an excellent illusion of choice. 


Having read the leaked beta script, I don't see how the C&C will disappoint if you used DAO as an example since while the conseqeunces aren't Witcher 2-styled, it definitely seems to surpass DAO. 

Hmm, I suppose my expectations were in fact too low to use as an example of expecting something better. My apologies.

spiros9110 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect's acclaim is far from universal as well; one only need to take a look at these very boards to realise that.

Right.. because these boards represent the majority of fans for Bioware/Mass Effect... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

No, because our mere presence prevents it from being universal.

Biotic Sage wrote...

When you're delusional...

I suppose so, as these forums are often used as an example of why EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES ABSOLUTELY ADORES TALI AND GARRUS.

[Biotic Sage]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

When you're delusional...

I suppose so, as these forums are often used as an example of why EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES ABSOLUTELY ADORES TALI AND GARRUS.

Anyone who uses them as evidence for that is delusional as well.  Don't be like them.

[tetrisblock4x1]

darkness reborn wrote...

Ah yes, "Mass Effect is a RPG", we have dismissed this claim.

No we haven't.

[Nohvarr]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

When you're delusional...

I suppose so, as these forums are often used as an example of why EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES ABSOLUTELY ADORES TALI AND GARRUS.

Anyone who uses them as evidence for that is delusional as well.  Don't be like them.

Makes sense, why else would Bioware implement data gathering systems to see how people play the games they create? If they could blindly trust fan feedback on this forum they wouldn't have to do that.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:05 .

[Chuvvy]

Nohvarr wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

When you're delusional...

I suppose so, as these forums are often used as an example of why EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES ABSOLUTELY ADORES TALI AND GARRUS.

Anyone who uses them as evidence for that is delusional as well.  Don't be like them.

Makes sense, why else would Bioware implement data gathering systems to see how people play the games they create? If they could blindly trust fan feedback on this forum they wouldn't have to do that.

THEY'RE SELLIN IT TO THEIR CORPRATE OVERLORDS MAN! THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I PROBED URANUS!

[Cloaking_Thane]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Lots of people like Justin Bieber as well, and most people prefer McDonalds over a restaurant with actual Michelin stars.

I'm sorry this just bothered me, I highly doubt that most people would prefer that, but feeding 2 for $8 is much simpler than feeding 2 for $100 plus.

[abaris]

I'm all for options. The more the merrier.

But I wasn't disturbed by how the previous Mass Effect titles handled things. Sure, the missions were linear but where it mattered to me, the interactions with NPCs and squaddies were quite all right and offered different possibilities.

[Il Divo]

Biotic Sage wrote...

So...for something to have "universal acclaim," for you that means a Borg-like consensus where there is not even one dissenting opinion?  Not even a 1% that disagrees?  These boards don't even represent 1% of the people who have played Mass Effect, and of them not even 50% agree with you.  Are you really so deluded to think your miniscule dissenting opinion is an affront to the universal acclaim of the Mass Effect series?

I'm gonna go with this. If a less than 1% consensus is evidence of "far from universal", I think we need to re-evaluate the phrase.

Modifié par Il Divo, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[Swampthing500]

Let's see.

You had  the option to choose your character background, appearance, skills and class

You had dialogue options

You had options to resolve different quests

You had options to save or leave the Council to die.

You had options when levelling up.

You had options when equipping armour and weapons.

Modifié par Swampthing500, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[Biotic Sage]

Swampthing500 wrote...

Let's see.

You had  the option to choose your character background, appearance, skills and class

You had dialogue options

You had options to resolve different quests

You had options to save or leave the Council to die.

You had options when levelling up.

You had options when equipping armour and weapons.

No no no.  They mean the specific options they want; your entire list is immediately dismissed.  What they don't realize is they have the option to choose not to play the game.

[Pedrak]

More ways to solve quests (ex. with stealth, avoiding enemies instead of fighting them) would be good.

This said, ME is a RPG.

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:55 .

[leeboi2]

******.

[nitefyre410]

Biotic Sage wrote...

So...for something to have "universal acclaim," for you that means a Borg-like consensus where there is not even one dissenting opinion?  Not even a 1% that disagrees?  These boards don't even represent 1% of the people who have played Mass Effect, and of them not even 50% agree with you.  Are you really so deluded to think your miniscule dissenting opinion is an affront to the universal acclaim of the Mass Effect series?

100% agree with you.

Seriouly thought Do you REALLY want an answer to the question?  Because I think we all know the answer to it.   

[JeffZero]

I call it Xenogears and FFVIi, my two favorite video games.

[Arkitekt]

I still remember the days when I considered Kaiser's posts to be sane and intelligent. Mind you, if I had the opinion that Kaiser has on the ME series, the one thing I just couldn't bring myself to do was to keep lurking and contributing to these forums. But that's probably because I still think I'm sane enough to see that.

[LGTX]

Your definition of choices is very limited Especially since you proceed to elaborate that it's purely in terms of gameplay yourself.