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[Gervaise]

Chantry authority is already gone Thedas wide. With a large section of the templars in rebellion, they can only puff and fume but have little military resources to back it up. What happens in Ferelden depends on which way the local templars jump - onto the rebel bandwagon or remain faithful to the Divine. If the latter then I would assume that Leliana would have kept her contacts at the royal court regardless of who was in power, but if it were Alistair then he would be another "old friend". So for all we know the Divine could have done a deal that mages who wished to accept her offer would find refuge in Ferelden.

It was one thing to agree to autonomy of the Circle in Ferelden but quite another to have the entire system break apart. An autonomous Circle would still be controlling and containing its mages. In the current situation there is literally chaos. Where do young mages go for guidance? Would all the senior figures have headed for Andoral's Reach or simply run for the hinterlands? One assumes that the Ferelden Circle would still have been smaller in numbers than others because it would still be recovering from the destruction ten years earlier. Irving has certainly gone north so the mages may well be leaderless in his absence. What the ruler can insure is that mages are not slain out of hand by rebel templars or a panicked general populace.

Alistair, and I would think certainly Anora, would opt for a less radical and destructive option than that offered in northern Orlais. Both showed a willingness to appoint Wynne as royal adviser on matters magical so it is likely their attitude would have been heavily influenced by her. Alistair may not have liked or approved of Meredith (hardly surprising) but that doesn't mean he would have been wholly supportive of the mages in the current conflict. He is well aware that not all mages can be trusted.

So it is very unlikely that Alistair (or Anora) would do a "Church of England" because there is nothing to be gained in so doing.

[Silfren]

XxDeonxX wrote...

There are a Male and Female on the Ferelden throne and both a male and female contending for the Orlesian one. if Anora was placed on throne she could secure political marriage with Grand Duke and if Alistair is on throne he could secure Marriage with Celene.. Dont know how they could work around if they both are on the throne however.. Maybe just Alistair and Celene... In any case though i hope your right

Personally, I just  find the notion of a marriage-alliance between Orlais and Ferelden as ridiculous as it is unlikely.  Ferelden is recovering from a Blight and a civil war, and Orlesians are not exactly held in high esteem by most Fereldans.  On top of that, the monarch of Ferelden is also having to deal with the eruption of the mage/templar conflict.  All told, it's an extremely foolish time for the monarch of Ferelden to be thinking of making conquest of Orlais or considering a marriage-alliance. 

Anora, certainly, is too politically astute and eager to maintain her power to do something so rash.  I think it can be safely argued that the only support she could rely upon for unifying with Orlais would come from the Chantry, but that isn't enough on its own for a marital union to be a good idea, and even so, the Chantry is nothing if not preoccupied right now.

Alistair could fairly be said to be as politically inept as Cailan was, but given the disaster that Cailan's own attempt at joining with Orlais turned into, I don't think Alistair would be quite so foolish to repeat the very same mistake.  Especially if he is hardened.  And hardened or not, the Alistair we saw in Origins is not the sort of person to be interested in conquest, either for the sheer sake of conquest or for revenge.  And, again, he, like Anora, would be preoccupied with more immediate concerns even if he does lack Anora's political savvy.

I don't think we'll be seeing much of Ferelden in DA3 if Ferelden isn't the homebase, and if that's the case I don't think we can expect to hear much from Ferelden except as vague background info that doesn't have much bearing on DA3's gameplay.  And a marriage-alliance between Ferelden and Orlais would have too many major implications for the story to be given that kind of treatment, so I just don't see it happening.  

I recall that Gaider said something once about both Alistair and Anora's stories being deliberately written so that, whether one ruled alone or they ruled jointly, neither would provide an heir to the throne.  This inclines me to think that the next time, if ever, we play another game set in Ferelden, it will involve a plot surrounding an empty throne with no legitimate heir and a lot of contenders.  Otherwise, I don't think we'll see any major plots surrounding Ferelden again, just as Ferelden got only innocuous mentions in both DA2 and in Asunder.

[Gervaise]

Yes, Anora if not married to Alistair or the Warden, is said to never marry because no one comes up to her expectations. Anora is very politcally astute so like her father she would realise that marriage to the ruler of Orlais would result in Ferelden being assimilated, not the other way round. Think of Scotland and England after James VI of Scotland became James I of England. That is why Cailan's idea of ditching Anora and marrying Celene would have been such a betrayal of his people, because any subsequent children would give Orlais an automatic claim on Ferelden. I was never clear as to whether Eamon knew or approved of such a plan but he seemed to think keeping a descendant of Calenhad on the throne was more important than having a capable monarch (Alistair versus Anora), and of course had an Orlesian wife himself, so perhaps he wouldn't have objected. Once I discovered about the plan, I wished the developers had made that part of the main story that you discover prior to the Landsmeet. rather than an add on, and that Loghain had been aware of it prior to his betrayal, as this would have made it a much more interesting scenario than simply the one given.

Even if married, Alistair may well be unable to father any children, and the same holds true of a Warden consort with Anora, so it is likely that some time in the future there may well be a plot or sub-plot involving Ferelden on the issue of the succession.

[nightscrawl]

Silfren wrote...

And hardened or not, the Alistair we saw in Origins is not the sort of person to be interested in conquest, either for the sheer sake of conquest or for revenge.

It doesn't have to be either of those though, attacking Orlais while they are weak could be used as a preemptive strike to ensure that Orlais never bothers Ferelden again.

In DA2 King Alistair mentions that some of the nobility in Orlais think it would be grand if they could "get their lost province back." If this mess with the mages hadn't happened, as well as their own civil war, it's not illogical to assume that it would eventually evolve into more than just talk. Nobles in Orlais, just as in Ferelden, have their own armies. I have no doubt that a few of them could get together and decide to try on their own, no matter what the empress thinks. They really are that arrogant.

I recall that Gaider said something once about both Alistair and Anora's stories being deliberately written so that, whether one ruled alone or they ruled jointly, neither would provide an heir to the throne.  This inclines me to think that the next time, if ever, we play another game set in Ferelden, it will involve a plot surrounding an empty throne with no legitimate heir and a lot of contenders.  Otherwise, I don't think we'll see any major plots surrounding Ferelden again, just as Ferelden got only innocuous mentions in both DA2 and in Asunder.

I've been quietly dreading this since DA2 has shown they have no problem with making large time leaps in the series. I am fully expecting that in some future game, unless more Warden research becomes known, that Alistair will have gone off on his calling. In a few years from DA2's timeline, he is going to have to give serious consideration to this, if he hasn't been already, and plan on what he is going to do about succession. It MUST be decided in advance if he has no progeny, or else Ferelden will find themselves in a civil war just as in DAO, and this time Arl Eamon won't pop up out of nowhere with the previously unknown royal bastard.

[Silfren]

nightscrawl wrote...

Silfren wrote...

And hardened or not, the Alistair we saw in Origins is not the sort of person to be interested in conquest, either for the sheer sake of conquest or for revenge.

It doesn't have to be either of those though, attacking Orlais while they are weak could be used as a preemptive strike to ensure that Orlais never bothers Ferelden again.

In DA2 King Alistair mentions that some of the nobility in Orlais think it would be grand if they could "get their lost province back." If this mess with the mages hadn't happened, as well as their own civil war, it's not illogical to assume that it would eventually evolve into more than just talk. Nobles in Orlais, just as in Ferelden, have their own armies. I have no doubt that a few of them could get together and decide to try on their own, no matter what the empress thinks. They really are that arrogant.

I recall that Gaider said something once about both Alistair and Anora's stories being deliberately written so that, whether one ruled alone or they ruled jointly, neither would provide an heir to the throne.  This inclines me to think that the next time, if ever, we play another game set in Ferelden, it will involve a plot surrounding an empty throne with no legitimate heir and a lot of contenders.  Otherwise, I don't think we'll see any major plots surrounding Ferelden again, just as Ferelden got only innocuous mentions in both DA2 and in Asunder.

I've been quietly dreading this since DA2 has shown they have no problem with making large time leaps in the series. I am fully expecting that in some future game, unless more Warden research becomes known, that Alistair will have gone off on his calling. In a few years from DA2's timeline, he is going to have to give serious consideration to this, if he hasn't been already, and plan on what he is going to do about succession. It MUST be decided in advance if he has no progeny, or else Ferelden will find themselves in a civil war just as in DAO, and this time Arl Eamon won't pop up out of nowhere with the previously unknown royal bastard.

To address the top bit about Orlais, the problem with a pre-emptive strike is the fact that Ferelden, under Maric, signed a peace treaty with Orlais.  For either Alistair or Anora to make the decision to attack Orlais in spite of the peace treaty would be a very risky political move, once again.  Bear in mind that regardless of the state of Orlais, even if there hadn't been a mage rebellion and a civil war within Orlais, Ferelden is still recovering from a Blight and its own civil war.  Even if it were deemed prudent to pre-emptively attack Orlais because of rumors that some Orlesians want to re-take Ferelden, the fact remains that Ferelden is not necessarily strong enough to wage a pre-emptive war.  And if Ferelden were to blatantly disregard its peace treaty with Orlais, that just sets the stage for future hostilities.  Finally, Anora might be the type to consider a pre-emptive strike even so, but I strongly doubt that Alistair would, even as a self-defensive maneuver in response to the fact that some Orlesians think Celene should re-take its "lost province."  

Aside from all that, I don't necessarily agree that it's likely that certain of Orlais' noble families might have decided to attack Ferelden in spite of the Empress's decision not to.  Because that would, of course, put those nobles in a very bad position with the empress, thereby sparking a civil war on its own.  I don't see the Empress letting such blatant disregard for her edicts go unpunished, after all.  Not if she's as ruthless and cunning as she's been described.  Arrogant or not, if triggering a civil war in a bid to seize the Orlesian throne is NOT the goal of a group of nobles, I don't see them going out of their way to ****** off a woman who can bring her own armies to bear against them.  Since however a group of Orlesian nobles do seem bent on overthrowing Celene, I doubt that, arrogant as many are, they'd seriously try to go after Ferelden at the same time they're fighting a civil war within their own realm. 

As for the question of an heir to the throne of Ferelden, well.  Bear in mind that the epilogues for Origins have Alistair up and disappearing, with nary a word said about the state of the monarchy as a result.  Since it does seem to be that Bioware wrote Alistair and Anora as not producing heirs, I think that's exactly what they intend for a future game plot.  Hell, I've even considered that thist may be a perfect opportunity for Fiona's child to come into play.  I'm not and never have been convinced that Fiona is Alistair's mother, because of what Goldanna has to say about it.  Which would mean that somewhere out there is another Theirin-blooded child with a claim to the throne.

[Silfren]

Gervaise wrote...

Yes, Anora if not married to Alistair or the Warden, is said to never marry because no one comes up to her expectations. Anora is very politcally astute so like her father she would realise that marriage to the ruler of Orlais would result in Ferelden being assimilated, not the other way round. Think of Scotland and England after James VI of Scotland became James I of England. That is why Cailan's idea of ditching Anora and marrying Celene would have been such a betrayal of his people, because any subsequent children would give Orlais an automatic claim on Ferelden. I was never clear as to whether Eamon knew or approved of such a plan but he seemed to think keeping a descendant of Calenhad on the throne was more important than having a capable monarch (Alistair versus Anora), and of course had an Orlesian wife himself, so perhaps he wouldn't have objected. Once I discovered about the plan, I wished the developers had made that part of the main story that you discover prior to the Landsmeet. rather than an add on, and that Loghain had been aware of it prior to his betrayal, as this would have made it a much more interesting scenario than simply the one given.

Even if married, Alistair may well be unable to father any children, and the same holds true of a Warden consort with Anora, so it is likely that some time in the future there may well be a plot or sub-plot involving Ferelden on the issue of the succession.

I'm fairly sure that Cailan's plan to marry Celene I WAS part of the original plot, but was axed for reasons I'm not clear on, and the bits we hear about it in the game are remnants of that.  Supposedly, even for the vanilla game we get, Loghain was indeed aware of Cailan's intent to set aside Anora for Celene, and this was one of his driving reasons for leaving the king to be massacred.  I've read conflicting accounts that say the references to this plot were deliberately part of Return to Ostagar, and others that claim those bits were intended to be cut, but got overlooked before the game's release. 

[Augustei]

I don't recall any epilogue where Alistair up and leaves without a word? Where did you read this?

Also having just finished Asunder, it seems Celene is in Jader Wynne says this is just a rumor but a very likely one however, Jader being literally just over the border it seems so the nobles who would want to start something with Ferelden if acting against Celenes wishes would have to quite literally go through her it would seem..

Although I do remember codex's stating she wishes to see Orlais's borders extended and shared the expansionist vision of emperor Drakon I so am still wary of her intent, Im thinking Nevarra is one of the only things stopping her from invading Ferelden again since they may take advantage of an Orlesian invasion of Ferelden and its already been displaying Orlais will struggle fighting a war on two fronts, having lost both Perendale and Ferelden the last time they tried it

[CrimsonZephyr]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I don't recall any epilogue where Alistair up and leaves without a word? Where did you read this?

Also having just finished Asunder, it seems Celene is in Jader Wynne says this is just a rumor but a very likely one however, Jader being literally just over the border it seems so the nobles who would want to start something with Ferelden if acting against Celenes wishes would have to quite literally go through her it would seem..

Although I do remember codex's stating she wishes to see Orlais's borders extended and shared the expansionist vision of emperor Drakon I so am still wary of her intent, Im thinking Nevarra is one of the only things stopping her from invading Ferelden again since they may take advantage of an Orlesian invasion of Ferelden and its already been displaying Orlais will struggle fighting a war on two fronts, having lost both Perendale and Ferelden the last time they tried it

I kind of hope Ferelden becomes the "balance of power" kingmaker that England eventually became in Europe, capturing land from Orlais while it's too busy fighting itself, and then using cunning chessmastery to keep both Nevarra and Orlais at each others' throats while making alliances with the Free Marches. Then they can be like "Who's a backwater now?!" as their army sacks Val Royeaux.

[Gervaise]

I'd heard those rumours about Origins and Return to Ostagar as well, which is why I feel the way I do, because I didn't get that DLC but once I knew what was in it, the various cryptic remarks in the game regading that plot, started to make sense. Right from the beginning I thought the bit of gossip about Loghain arguing with Cailen about Anora would be siginficant but without the DLC it was never implicitly explained. A reveal at the Landsmeet by Loghain about what their beloved Cailan had been up to would have made his comments about Orlesian puppets seem much more credible.

It is like with DA2 and the Exiled Prince download that in addition to Sebastian companion, also has extra information concerning the main plot via Sister Nightingale and conversations with Elthina, which again should have been in the main game even if you did only buy the standard version rather than the bells and whistles one.

[Silfren]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I don't recall any epilogue where Alistair up and leaves without a word? Where did you read this?

Also having just finished Asunder, it seems Celene is in Jader Wynne says this is just a rumor but a very likely one however, Jader being literally just over the border it seems so the nobles who would want to start something with Ferelden if acting against Celenes wishes would have to quite literally go through her it would seem..

Although I do remember codex's stating she wishes to see Orlais's borders extended and shared the expansionist vision of emperor Drakon I so am still wary of her intent, Im thinking Nevarra is one of the only things stopping her from invading Ferelden again since they may take advantage of an Orlesian invasion of Ferelden and its already been displaying Orlais will struggle fighting a war on two fronts, having lost both Perendale and Ferelden the last time they tried it

It's been a long time since I've played it, but there are epilogue slides at the end of Awakening that have Alistair disappearing after some unknown period of time.  This slide may be dependent on whether Alistair is in a relationship with the Warden.  King or not, if he's in a relationship with the Warden (or married to her), then the epilogues indicate that he disappears along with the Warden.  I'm not sure what the slides say about Alistair if he isn't paired with the Warden, if anything. But fan consensus seems to generally take this as Alistair and the Warden eventually going on their Calling, although now, with the hints that Hawke's disappearance is linked with the Warden's, this may be wrong.

Modifié par Silfren, 12 janvier 2012 - 11:11 .

[Augustei]

I bet Ferelden gets dragged into the civil war in Orlais due to Celene likely fleeing there when Gaspard pushes through to Jader (bet he will =D) then she will probably flee to Denerim or Redcliffe or something. From there things will get ugly for Ferelden and hopefully Nevarra takes advantage of the situation and begins invading Orlais twould be sweet

Silfren wrote...
It's been a long time since I've played it, but there are epilogue slides at the end of Awakening that have Alistair disappearing after some unknown period of time. This slide may be dependent on whether Alistair is in a relationship with the Warden. King or not, if he's in a relationship with the Warden (or married to her), then the epilogues indicate that he disappears along with the Warden. I'm not sure what the slides say about Alistair if he isn't paired with the Warden, if anything. But fan consensus seems to generally take this as Alistair and the Warden eventually going on their Calling, although now, with the hints that Hawke's disappearance is linked with the Warden's, this may be wrong.

I wouldn't put much faith in those epilogues either since Bioware don't seem to themselves. I remember ones of the warden disappearing but I don't remember any of Alistair. But its been a while since Ive played awakening anyway.

Gervaise wrote...
A reveal at the Landsmeet by Loghain about what their beloved Cailan had been up to would have made his comments about Orlesian puppets seem much more credible.

He didn't actually know about it until he read the letters at Ostagar though, and even then he only had a suspicion due to the tone Celene used in the letters.

CrimsonZephyr wrote...
I kind of hope Ferelden becomes the "balance of power" kingmaker that England eventually became in Europe, capturing land from Orlais while it's too busy fighting itself, and then using cunning chessmastery to keep both Nevarra and Orlais at each others' throats while making alliances with the Free Marches. Then they can be like "Who's a backwater now?!" as their army sacks Val Royeaux.

This is exactly what i hope for =D

Silfren wrote...
I'm fairly sure that Cailan's plan to marry Celene I WAS part of the
original plot, but was axed for reasons I'm not clear on, and the bits
we hear about it in the game are remnants of that.  Supposedly, even for
the vanilla game we get, Loghain was indeed aware of Cailan's intent to
set aside Anora for Celene, and this was one of his driving reasons for
leaving the king to be massacred.  I've read conflicting accounts that
say the references to this plot were deliberately part of Return
to Ostagar, and others that claim those bits were intended to be cut,
but got overlooked before the game's release. 

Yeah ive read it was definitly part of the original plot, David Gaider confirmed that Celene was going to make an appearence in Denerim

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 13 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[Maria13]

If Alistair/Anora do not produce issue are not the Orlesian loving Couslands the next in line? By that I mean Fergus, he's fertile... Alistair/Anora would do well to develop a harmonious relationship with him in order to secure a stable FERELDAN succession ... And Fergus needs to remarry and get with the breeding...

Modifié par Maria13, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:10 .

[Gervaise]

Good old Fergus, I'd forgotten about him. And don't forget Nathaniel Howe actually saves his life post Awakening, so he definitely should be around to produce new offspring and his family would have the best claim. Nevertheless, other nobles might not agree.

[Maria13]

Having suffered so much I doubt he'd give a rat's a*** as to what the other nobles think, this is why Alistair/Anora should cultivate him... It's win-win for all involved and for Ferelden.

[Augustei]

Theres also the Drydens though like Levi.. despite their bad name their past crimes could be forgiven by Alistair / Anora and the Drydens are an offshoot of the Theirin bloodline, Sophia Dryden being cousin of King Arland Theirin. I really cant see Levi or one of his brothers being king but Alistair / Anora could adopt a Dryden kid and groom them for command =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[haroldhardluck]

The breakup of the Circles is every where except in Tevinter. This would be too good an opportunity for Tevinter to regain its "lost" provinces. I think we will see much more of Tevinter in DA3. That will not be good for Ferelden and whoever is the ruler will act to stop them.

A new system to replace the Circles is clearly going to be a major theme of DA3.

Ferelden must support a replacement for the Circles. The reason for the Circles still exists. Blood magic and abominationss should be running rampant in Thedas in DA3.

OTOH a civil war in Orlais is probably something Ferelden would love to see last as long as possible. A weak Orlais is a benefit to Ferelden.

The big question is the Chantry. It is the one institution in Thedas that has the authority to sanction a new solution to the free mages problem. For that reason Ferelden will support the Divine and provide troops to replace the templars. But not all templars will break from the Chantry. There are good templars as shown in the games and Asunder. So the Chantry will have some templars who will remain loyal.

Politically Thedas in DA3 should be a chaotic mess. We may see the resolution of the two Chantries. That is a politically unstable situation. In European history, one of the two Popes quickly became the lesser one who eventually fades away. Chinese history has many examples of split Chinese empires that eventually get re-united.

There will be some very interesting times in Thedas in DA3.

Harold

[Augustei]

I doubt Tevinter will be an issue at all, Theres a far more powerful army than the imperium's currently at war with them that hasn't even devoted their forces to their war with the imperium - I speak of course of the Qunari. Sten even stated they would invade again despite the treaty which has been breached several times before and ignored and breached again when their Arishok was killed.... Something a bit more difficult to ignore. And with the nations of thedas inevitably taking sides in this war to begin a massive conflict thedas will be greatly weakened something the Qunari will wish to take advantage of. One of the codex's states that Tevinter would like to reclaim their lost provinces but cannot even consider attempting to while they war with the Qunari which this conflict wont change, they will still be at war with the qunari like they have been for the past 400 years or however long its been

[haroldhardluck]

We know that Tevinter and the Quanri are still technically at war but there are no indicators as to how active is the war. The war has not prevented Tevinter slavers from being very active in DAO and DA2. It has not prevented the Qunari troubles in DA2.

Tevinter does not have to send armies to win back their old lands. They can send small groups of their mages to help and subvert the free mages. They can offer the Tevinter model as an alternative and make any land controlled by the free mages into subjects of Tevinter.

The Chantry found a solution to the Qunari problem in their previous wars. Commit genocide against all Qunaris who are not warriors.The lost of their farmers, artisans and innocents was what forced the Qunari to withdraw from the conquered lands and sign a peace treaty with the Chantry.

After Asunder it looks to me that DA3 will be set in Orlais and will involve finding an alterative to the Circle for the free mages with the Chantry being a more prominent force in the game. Ferelden's action will be mostly off stage unless the PC is once again a Ferelden or an Orlesian/Ferelden scion.

Harold

[HiroVoid]

What's hilarious is if we get into other countries, everyone there'll be speaking different accents from the ones(aside from a character or two) we always hear in the other DA games.

[Augustei]

haroldhardluck wrote...

We know that Tevinter and the Quanri are still technically at war but there are no indicators as to how active is the war. The war has not prevented Tevinter slavers from being very active in DAO and DA2. It has not prevented the Qunari troubles in DA2.

Tevinter does not have to send armies to win back their old lands. They can send small groups of their mages to help and subvert the free mages. They can offer the Tevinter model as an alternative and make any land controlled by the free mages into subjects of Tevinter.

The Chantry found a solution to the Qunari problem in their previous wars. Commit genocide against all Qunaris who are not warriors.The lost of their farmers, artisans and innocents was what forced the Qunari to withdraw from the conquered lands and sign a peace treaty with the Chantry.

After Asunder it looks to me that DA3 will be set in Orlais and will involve finding an alterative to the Circle for the free mages with the Chantry being a more prominent force in the game. Ferelden's action will be mostly off stage unless the PC is once again a Ferelden or an Orlesian/Ferelden scion.

Harold

Slavery is the focus of the Tevinter econemy, of course there will be slavers out and about even during times of war because if there weren't they wouldn't be able to offord to war with the Qunari and they would collapse.

The Tevinter Magisters wont want to bring foreign mages into the imperium because it will mean political compeition for them as David Gaider said. So if the Archon wants to risk involving Tevinter in a war while they already fight one with the most powerful millitary in thedas he's going to get almost complete opposition from his court of magisiters.. if he even supports war in the first place that is.

We dont know the specifics of the war thats true, but we do know that its enough to make Tevinter unwilling to go to war with any other nations in thedas

[WardenKing]

Interesting to read what you all think and I myself have thought much the same, though after reading the book Asunder, I believe that Empress Celene who is most speculated to be in the city Jader during the Orlesian civil war, will ask Alistair for help against Gespard and his allies. For let`s think about it, if you were trapped in a corner, would you stay and die? Or would you fight back and use the resources/allies you have?

As we know, Empress Celene and King Alistair seem to have a good friendship, perhaps even more than that. If Alistair and Anora for instant married and are now having problems between them, considering not being able to give birth to a child, then Alistair would need to consider other options like remarrying, if not the fault lied with him. If I remember correctly though, the Gray Wardens are almost unable to produce a child, except if it were done with a mage. This would certainly create a problem, and should Alistair die without an heir…then most likely the throne would pass on to either Goldanna, Goldanna`s children, Teagan or Fergus, depending on what choice you made in DA: O or maybe future games.

If Empress Celene would like to cease an alliance through marriage with Alistair, then she would have his aid if accepted and together they could recapture the Orlesian Capital and bring peace to both their lands, perhaps even with the mages.

However with lots of conflicts in the south, I also believe the Tevinter Imperium and perhaps the Qunari will use the right opportunity to strike all the lands of Thedas and should two more blights appear in all of this, then chaos would roam for sure. I would be cool though, if the entire world fell to the Qunari, but I don’t think it will happen yet.

There is also another question, in the ending of the book of Asunder, it is mentioned that Val Royeaux have been attacked…what it means, I don’t know…either Empress Celene did succeed in recapturing her capital, or it was burned by the Templars or Gespard and his allies.

Modifié par Captain Eldarion, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:37 .

[haroldhardluck]

Captain Eldarion wrote...
Interesting to read what you all think and I myself have thought much the same, though after reading the book Asunder, I believe that Empress Celene who is most speculated to be in the city Jader during the Orlesian civil war, will ask Alistair for help against Gespard and his allies. For let`s think about it, if you were trapped in a corner, would you stay and die? Or would you fight back and use the resources/allies you have?

Given the animosity between Ferelden and Orlais, it could be political suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden and it would be very politically hard for Alistair/Anora to give such aid openly. There are political factions in Ferelden who would love to see the civil war in Orlais last a very long time. I think Ferelden will be an off stage player in the game of kings in DA3. Queen Celene will suceed or not based on her Orlesian support and not any outside support.

Harold

[WardenKing]

haroldhardluck wrote...

Given the animosity between Ferelden and Orlais, it could be political suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden and it would be very politically hard for Alistair/Anora to give such aid openly. There are political factions in Ferelden who would love to see the civil war in Orlais last a very long time. I think Ferelden will be an off stage player in the game of kings in DA3. Queen Celene will suceed or not based on her Orlesian support and not any outside support.

Harold

True, it would be a political suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden, but then again she does not have much choice either if she wish to succeed in regaining her throne. Sure she could seek aid elsewhere, Nevarra or somewhere else...but it would be easiest to go to Ferelden as she allready finds herself close to its borders. And your right, many people in Ferelden would love to see the civil war in Orlais continue, but if it could preseve peace between the two countries, there at least would be worth a shot, even if not all agree. Just my thoughts though, what happens in DA:3 we can only wait and see what happens.

[HiroVoid]

haroldhardluck wrote...

Captain Eldarion wrote...
Interesting to read what you all think and I myself have thought much the same, though after reading the book Asunder, I believe that Empress Celene who is most speculated to be in the city Jader during the Orlesian civil war, will ask Alistair for help against Gespard and his allies. For let`s think about it, if you were trapped in a corner, would you stay and die? Or would you fight back and use the resources/allies you have?

Given the animosity between Ferelden and Orlais, it could be political suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden and it would be very politically hard for Alistair/Anora to give such aid openly. There are political factions in Ferelden who would love to see the civil war in Orlais last a very long time. I think Ferelden will be an off stage player in the game of kings in DA3. Queen Celene will suceed or not based on her Orlesian support and not any outside support.

Harold

Well, Alistair could always marry her.  It's not like the HN's around anymore anyway according to the end of DA2.

[haroldhardluck]

HiroVoid wrote...
Well, Alistair could always marry her.  It's not like the HN's around anymore anyway according to the end of DA2.

Given the various DAO options for DA2, it is not clear whether or not Alistair is king or whether Anora is alive. There is no hint in Asunder either as to who rules in Ferelden.

Harold