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[haroldhardluck]

Captain Eldarion wrote...
True, it would be a political suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden, but then again she does not have much choice either if she wish to succeed in regaining her throne. Sure she could seek aid elsewhere, Nevarra or somewhere else...but it would be easiest to go to Ferelden as she allready finds herself close to its borders. And your right, many people in Ferelden would love to see the civil war in Orlais continue, but if it could preseve peace between the two countries, there at least would be worth a shot, even if not all agree. Just my thoughts though, what happens in DA:3 we can only wait and see what happens.

Rulers who seek outside help to keep their thrones tend to become puppet rulers. So there is a price for outside help and Celene may well decide that it is not worth it. She could well decide that it is better to go down fighting as a true Queen than to become only a puppet Queen. She could also decide to flee to a neutral or firendly country as Queen in exile. The Stuarts fled to France and made trouble for the English for years. The current King of Spain was in exile for many years before the monarchy was restored. Europe has many exiled royal families who are living quite well in exile and have never given up their claims to the throne. They just are too busy living well in exile to risk being assassinated by actively pursuing their claims.

So Queen Celene does not have to do or die. She can simply make a strategic retreat to fight another day.

Harold

[Augustei]

haroldhardluck wrote...
So Queen Celene does not have to do or die. She can simply make a strategic retreat to fight another day.

Her Title is Empress not Queen =P

haroldhardluck wrote...

Given the various DAO options for DA2, it is not clear whether or
not Alistair is king or whether Anora is alive. There is no hint in
Asunder either as to who rules in Ferelden.


Harold

To acommidate for the issue of the various outcomes to whos on the ferelden throne.. A political marriage could be arranged where Celene wins the war if Alistair is on throne and he marries her (whether he is ruling alone or jointly with Anora) Celene winning the war due to Alistairs assistance or something..

Whereas Grand Duke Gaspard wins the war if Queen Anora is on the throne alone due to her not giving Celene support and Anora marries Grand Duke Gaspard now Emperor Gaspard

I know that theres the thing thats said on the Epilogue card in origins about how she never remarries, but the epilogue cards have been ignored several times before by bioware. So it can just be ignored again

Captain Eldarion wrote...



True, it would be a political
suicide for Celene to openly get aid from Ferelden, but then again she
does not have much choice either if she wish to succeed in regaining her
throne. Sure she could seek aid elsewhere, Nevarra or somewhere
else...but it would be easiest to go to Ferelden as she allready finds
herself close to its borders. And your right, many people in Ferelden
would love to see the civil war in Orlais continue, but if it could
preseve peace between the two countries, there at least would be worth a
shot, even if not all agree. Just my thoughts though, what happens in
DA:3 we can only wait and see what happens.

Nevarra would be to busy invading Orlais's northern borders to lend their support to their civil war. Since Nevarra is a growing power capable of opposing the Orlesian armies and eager to expand their territory as seen by how they have already claimed Orlesian territory (Hills of Perrindale) and there is still tensions between the two countries with Chevaliers literally turning people back at the borders and always guarding it (according to Gentivi's codex) Nevarra is less likely to lend aid than Ferelden is it would seem and more likely to take advantage of the civil war

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:23 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Or Celene and Gaspard both die and Orlais becomes a fractured mishmash of city states like 17th Century Germany, with Ferelden and Nevarra competing for dominance.

[Maria13]

How old is Celene by the time of Asunder? I hardly think she is still of childbearing age.  Likewise Anora who is rumoured not to be fertile in any event...

As stated above my view is that the next in line for the Ferelden throne is Fergus Cousland. But I think the Landsmeet can and should actually determine sucession.

Modifié par Maria13, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:21 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Maria13 wrote...

How old is Celene by the time of Asunder? I hardly think she is still of childbearing age.  Likewise Anora who is rumoured not to be fertile in any event...

As stated above my view is that the next in line for the Ferelden throne is Fergus Cousland. But I think the Landsmeet can and should actually determine sucession.

I distinctly remember Gaider saying something like 36-ish. So, she's still capable of childbearing, unless she's barren...

And if Alistair were savvy, he'd have a successor lined up already. Being a Grey Warden makes having a child extremely unlikely, and the future of his country should not hinge on whether his boys really could swim.

I could get behind Fergus being King - seems like he'd be a pretty righteous Teyrn, at any rate.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:34 .

[nightscrawl]

haroldhardluck wrote...

After Asunder it looks to me that DA3 will be set in Orlais and will involve finding an alterative to the Circle for the free mages with the Chantry being a more prominent force in the game. Ferelden's action will be mostly off stage unless the PC is once again a Ferelden or an Orlesian/Ferelden scion.

I'm not so sure about DA3 being set in Orlais. I used to be very sure of it, but not so much anymore. After finishing DA2 I felt so sure that the next place to go would be Orlais. We heard a lot about Orlais and Orlesians in The Stolen Throne, The Calling, DAO, and DA2. It seemed right that the next game would take us there. But, DG took us there himself with Asunder, so perhaps the next game won't be set there at all. We'll just have to wait and see.

Actually, what I would like to see would be a broadly sweeping journey taking us through multiple regions. After being stifled in Kirkwall, I need some breathing room!

After playing a game where the final conflict was about mages, hearing Anders whining about mages, and reading an entire book about mages, I think I'm ready for something other than mages, at least for a little while...

I say this being a mage player in both DAO and DA2.

Of course, I'm not suggesting a game completely devoid of this conflict, but I don't want it to be the entire basis for a game. The events of Kirkwall and Asunder are now a part of Thedas and have changed it dramatically and they need to be represented, but it's not always about mages, other things are going on in the world.