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[WhiteKnyght]

We know the guy frittered away the family fortune looking for a shiny gem, but the guy manages to have a house in Lowtown, get drunk occasionally, and be at the Blooming Rose every freaking time you go in. So he's gotta be making some coin somehow(even before Hawke came to Kirkwall), otherwise he'd be sulking in Darktown with the other homeless people.

[Knight of Dane]

He's santa.

[WhiteKnyght]

More like his heart is two sizes too small.

But I can imagine Gamlen spying on kids, breaking into peoples' houses, stealing kisses from their mothers, and enslaving elves.

Somebody alert Fenris. Gamlen's a prime fisting candidate. lol

[Plaintiff]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a job.

From what we know of him, I imagine any coin he happens to have at any given moment was probably "earned" through gambling.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a job.

From what we know of him, I imagine any coin he happens to have at any given moment was probably "earned" through gambling.

From what we know of him, I imagine he sucks at gambling. Considering they make jokes about his debt collectors and the thing between him and Meeran.

He's got some form of income, considering Hawke, Leandra, and Carver/Bethany lived there a year before he dared to ask them to pay rent and chip in for food.(Meaning until then they've been living off whatever he makes while saving their own coin for themselves.)

[Kmead15]

You said it yourself, he's in the Blooming Rose every time you go in there. Perhaps he isn't just a customer?

[BevH]

Maybe that investment in Qunari cheeses paid off?

[Plaintiff]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a job.

From what we know of him, I imagine any coin he happens to have at any given moment was probably "earned" through gambling.

From what we know of him, I imagine he sucks at gambling. Considering they make jokes about his debt collectors and the thing between him and Meeran.

He's got some form of income, considering Hawke, Leandra, and Carver/Bethany lived there a year before he dared to ask them to pay rent and chip in for food.(Meaning until then they've been living off whatever he makes while saving their own coin for themselves.)

He can't be a "good" gambler. Gambling, by definition, has a significant element of chance and little do with skill. Most professional gamblers often rack up significant debt in short periods of time, requiring them to score a big win in order to break even. Having a "regular income" wouldn't help Gamlen because he'd lose it all anyway.

Gamlen is not paying for them. How could he be? He has no money. It costs him nothing to keep them in his house. The rent, which he can't pay regardless, would be the same amount either way. The house has no utilities so it's not like they could be costing him extra by using up all the hot water.

The Hawke family isn't "saving" coin, they don't have any coin. They spent a year just paying off the money it cost to bribe their way into Kirkwall. Since Hawke and sibling are the ony ones shown doing any work at all, the more likely explanation is that they support their mother and themselves with what little is kept after debt payments and leave Gamlen to his own devices.

The reason it took him so long to "dare" to ask for money is because he knows he doesn't ****ing deserve it. He doesn't want them to start paying for themselves, he wants them to start paying for him.

[WhiteKnyght]

Kmead15 wrote...

You said it yourself, he's in the Blooming Rose every time you go in there. Perhaps he isn't just a customer?

Who could be crazy, disgusting, and pathetic enough to pay to sleep with Gamlen?

Also if you walk in, you might hear Viveka ask Gamlen if he's bathed. Because some of the girls he's paid for have complained.

[WhiteKnyght]

Plaintiff wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a job.

From what we know of him, I imagine any coin he happens to have at any given moment was probably "earned" through gambling.

From what we know of him, I imagine he sucks at gambling. Considering they make jokes about his debt collectors and the thing between him and Meeran.

He's got some form of income, considering Hawke, Leandra, and Carver/Bethany lived there a year before he dared to ask them to pay rent and chip in for food.(Meaning until then they've been living off whatever he makes while saving their own coin for themselves.)

He can't be a "good" gambler. Gambling, by definition, has a significant element of chance and little do with skill. Most professional gamblers often rack up significant debt in short periods of time, requiring them to score a big win in order to break even. Having a "regular income" wouldn't help Gamlen because he'd lose it all anyway.

Not entirely true. Considering that Thedas is technically underdeveloped, gambling is likely limited to things like card playing. Which one can be skilled at.

Also when asking Meeran how he knows Gamlen, he reveals that he cheated one of his men playing Wallop. Which appears to be a game that requires some skill.(Considering it uses a mallet I would assume its a Thedas version of Polo or Croquet)

[Thiefy]

he probably gets a few odd, shady jobs. it was his connections with shady people that got the family into kirkwall to begin with.

[Gervaise]

Gamlen is probably one of those low life hanger on types. Not bold or skilled enough to be involved on actual jobs but running the odd erand, delivering messages, keeping watch on people and reporting back. Enough to earn a few odd coins to keep him in food and clothes, spend on budget service in the blooming rose and let him get out of his depth gambling. The demands he was making on Hawke and family were likely as a result of knowing the debt collectors were due rather than a need to pay for basics.

[thats1evildude]

Judging from the notes I keep finding from his debtors, I think he owes a lot of different people money.

[Ophir147]

thats1evildude wrote...

Judging from the notes I keep finding from his debtors, I think he owes a lot of different people money.

It is quite possible that he's just living on credit and borrowed time, actually.

[WhiteKnyght]

Ophir147 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Judging from the notes I keep finding from his debtors, I think he owes a lot of different people money.

It is quite possible that he's just living on credit and borrowed time, actually.

He might also be panhandling in Hightown too.

Or he might have kept a small amount of the Amell fortune to himself and never told anyone.

[Malanu]

He owes people money and favors so I'd say he's a bit of a gambler/facilitator.People(nobles) go to him to avoid having to associate with with the (actual) darker aspects of naughty business.

[Lazy Jer]

I agree, Knight of Dane, he's probably Santa. Either that or the Easter Bunny.

In all seriousness, though, he probably has his own ways of making money here and there. Keep in mind he is at least on speaking terms with both the Red Iron Mercs and Athenril, so he could get occasional "finders fees". For example telling a local Orleasian merchant where to find mercenaries to guard his incoming shipments...and then telling Athenril that an Orleasian merchant is bringing expensive shipments into Kirkwall.

Either that or he works near the Daleish Camp, serving as an example of why young elves should avoid the human cities.  For example:

Keeper: Now children, see this shem? He lives in Kirkwall. If you move there you'll have to deal with about a hundred humans just like him.

Young Elf 1: Argh!

Young Elf 2: Noooo

Young Elf 3: *wrinkling nose* Do they all smell like that?

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:17 .

[vixvicco]

Kmead15 wrote...

You said it yourself, he's in the Blooming Rose every time you go in there. Perhaps he isn't just a customer?

Lol I was about to say the same thing. He seems the type that just does odd jobs here and there. 

[Lazy Jer]

Kmead15 wrote...

You said it yourself, he's in the Blooming Rose every time you go in there. Perhaps he isn't just a customer?

 
Gadzooks, I really hope you're implying that he serves drinks.

[thats1evildude]

I'm not sure which I find more disturbing: the idea of Gamlen frequenting a brothel or the idea of Gamlen working at a brothel.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:37 .

[Quething]

Plaintiff wrote...

The reason it took him so long to "dare" to ask for money is because he knows he doesn't ****ing deserve it. He doesn't want them to start paying for themselves, he wants them to start paying for him.

He says "maybe put something towards food." That line makes no sense whatsoever if Gamlen's not paying for the food.

I tend to agree with the "facilitator" notion, though he seems to take a more active hand from time to time as well. Athenril's "He owes us after that last big idea" seems to suggest he offers plans as well as information and connections. As much as he's the butt of every joke, I think he is actually pretty canny, and he'd make a fine living if he could stop himself from spending it all on bad gambles and expensive ****s (seriously Lusine's prices are highway robbery, and Hawke says you can get laid for a handful of copper down at the Docks).

[haroldhardluck]

As a former noble, Gamlen still has connections. Given that he knows smugglers and mercenaries, he probably makes money acting as a "go between" between those with money who need dirty deeds done discretely and those who can do those deeds. He is not in the top tier of the "go to" guys but is probably well known enough to get enough work to get by. If not for his gambling, I suspect he would be much better off than he is.

Harold

[Plaintiff]

Quething wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The reason it took him so long to "dare" to ask for money is because he knows he doesn't ****ing deserve it. He doesn't want them to start paying for themselves, he wants them to start paying for him.

He says "maybe put something towards food." That line makes no sense whatsoever if Gamlen's not paying for the food.

I tend to agree with the "facilitator" notion, though he seems to take a more active hand from time to time as well. Athenril's "He owes us after that last big idea" seems to suggest he offers plans as well as information and connections. As much as he's the butt of every joke, I think he is actually pretty canny, and he'd make a fine living if he could stop himself from spending it all on bad gambles and expensive ****s (seriously Lusine's prices are highway robbery, and Hawke says you can get laid for a handful of copper down at the Docks).

It doesn't have to make sense to anyone except Gamlen, he's a self-entitled douchebag. He has no right to ask Leandra for money, he already stole all of hers years ago.

I know some people tend to feel sorry for him, but I think they're misled. Gamlen taking care of his sick parents is admirable, if it's true, but it does not mean he's entitled the estate and all assets. When passing down the family wealth, the primary concern should not be "Who did the most for me personally?", but "Who can handle it respnsibly?". And the answer is obviously "not Gamlen".

That money, with wise investment, could've and indeed, was supposed to ensure the comfort and safety of many future descendants of the Amell family. When Gamlen's parents left him only a monthly stipend, to be controlled by Leandra, they were trying to do him a favour. They were ensuring that he had a regular income, but preventing him from racking up any debts that might get him into serious trouble by limiting his funds. They were probably hoping he'd eventually learn the concept of a budget.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:49 .

[Quething]

What does the estate or their parents or feeling sorry for Gamlen or even whether the Amells *should* pay rent have to do with anything? The question is "is Gamlen paying to support the Hawkes now," and the answer is "yes."

If Leandra and the kids were already paying for food, the words "maybe put something towards food," aimed at them, would literally not make literal sense, any more than Gamlen saying "stop leaving your horse in my basement," and would be as likely to pass without comment by the people he's accusing. But Hawke's reply to Gamlen isn't "what are you even talking about, we already buy all the food." It's the same one you just made: "you supporting us is only fair, considering you stole from us."

Because Gamlen is supporting them. Whether or not he should be is a whole different issue.

[Lazy Jer]

Well knowing Gamlen the term "support" is probably exagerated.

"I've provided food.  I bought a wheel of cheese a year ago and put it in the bedroom, you haven't touched it."