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[GLaDOScake]

It almost sounds like the
Reapers are the good guys?   




Here are some quotes from
the Reapers:




This body does not
matter.




Evolution cannot be
stopped.

They will be as we
are.

We are the
beginning, you are the end.

Embrace perfection.”

Preserve Shepard's
body if possible.

You cannot escape
your destiny, Shepard.

You are arrogant,
Shepard, you will learn.

I am the Harbinger
of your perfection.

I am the Harbinger
of your ascendance.

We are your genetic
destiny.

You do not yet
comprehend your place in things.

We are the
Harbinger of your perfection.

We are the
Harbinger of your ascendance.

We are the
Harbinger of your destiny.

We are your
destiny.

 

…and here’s this just
for fun! lol   (funny video… wait for the lyrics to begin)

Probably already heard
this but it’s still great…

[Sturmwulfe]

The reapers believe they're helping humanity ascend to a higher, and better, state of being by turning them into one. The reapers think what they're doing is pretty much an honour and what's supposed to be, I don't think good or evil or even morality comes into it. They just arrogantly think normal, organic life (and synthetic, for that matter) come and go, and aren't at the peak of existence.

It's kind of like getting accepted into an exclusive, super fancy club. Only if that club robbed you of your existence to turn you into something else.

[GLaDOScake]

Sturmwulfe wrote...

It's kind of like getting accepted into an exclusive, super fancy club. Only if that club robbed you of your existence to turn you into something else.

Hmmm... yeah.  I'll bet there's an ending where someone tries to convince your Shep to join,
after all "it is your destiny"!!!     

[AlexXIV]

You forget the best thing they do. By wiping out existing civilisations they give a chance to new ones who maybe would have never had a chance otherwise. If they didn't wipe out all other species before us, humans would probably never had the space and time to evolve to their current point.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Sturmwulfe wrote...

The reapers believe they're helping humanity ascend to a higher, and better, state of being by turning them into one. The reapers think what they're doing is pretty much an honour and what's supposed to be, I don't think good or evil or even morality comes into it. They just arrogantly think normal, organic life (and synthetic, for that matter) come and go, and aren't at the peak of existence.

It's kind of like getting accepted into an exclusive, super fancy club. Only if that club robbed you of your existence to turn you into something else.

Arrogance is the best way to look at it. To think you know what's best for every race in the galaxy without even taking into consideration what they want is the pinnacle of arrogance.

I think the majority of the Geth's way of looking at the reapers is
perfect here, that they don't need to Reaper's help to advance.

[Darthsam]

reminds me of Tengen toppa gurren lagann

[iEscaflowne]

Darthsam wrote...

reminds me of Tengen toppa gurren lagann

Absolutely nothing alike.

[ncknck]

But they ARE better. Lets face it, the only reason humanity is gonna win is because the plot will pull its strings.

I would like to have a more realistic ending where current races were forced into some kind of an exile maybe and reapers got the galaxy. But looking at ME/ME2, its not gonna happen.

Modifié par ncknck, 08 janvier 2012 - 04:41 .

[voteDC]

The best villains are usually those who don't see themselves as such.

[A Pregnant Nun]

Mass Effect Beta where art thou?

Modifié par A Pregnant Nun, 08 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .

[xbeton0L]

Well, then we get stuck in this tug of war between what's good and what's bad, when it's really a matter of opinion (or perspective, in the matter of Reapers) when in actuality it should be based on a principle of better or worse.

As in, is it actually better to be a Reaper than it is to be a Human? What reasons would justify why being a Human is actually worse?

And then you start asking things like, How does being a Reaper benefit me? What if I don't like being a reaper, can't I change back? <- More or less the personal questions begin to gauge the issue on an opinionated level, rather than factual. As in, you MUST become a Reaper *because* etcetera, etcetera...

Edit: You can pretty much ask a legitimate "Why?" question to the aforementioned reasons given by Harbinger and the Reapers.

Modifié par xbeton0L, 08 janvier 2012 - 04:59 .

[ItsThat01Guy]

AlexXIV wrote...

You forget the best thing they do. By wiping out existing civilisations they give a chance to new ones who maybe would have never had a chance otherwise. If they didn't wipe out all other species before us, humans would probably never had the space and time to evolve to their current point.

Cut down the towering trees that are starving each other of space and resources.

Bring the undergrowth into the sunlight and give it a chance to grow.

[xbeton0L]

^Sounds like forced evolution against Natural Selection. Of which is of course female.

[someone else]

Oh goody - this thread again. Reapers are just God's little vacuum cleaners..dyson didn't only invent spheres, you know.

[ItsThat01Guy]

xbeton0L wrote...

^Sounds like forced evolution against Natural Selection. Of which is of course female.

Once the advanced civilizations have been established, no amount of natural selection will remove them from their positions of power. Any threat to their power will be destroyed. Only if they destroy themselves will lesser species be given a chance.

The Reapers destroy advanced civilizations before they destroy themselves. However, they also grant ascension to the defeated races.

Once the galaxy's tyrannical rulers have been removed, natural selection can continue, and the Reapers are no longer needed.

I believe someone else (another person, not someone else) once made an argument similar to this one. I personally don't believe it, and my Shepard is going to f*** up some Reapers, but I feel that all sides of an argument should be represented.

Modifié par ItsThat01Guy, 08 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Swampthing500]

I think in even the most flexible of standards of good and evil, repeatedly wiping out a galaxy of intelligent life counts as "evil".

[xbeton0L]

Well of course evolution outside that of the sovereign power.

However, such as is individual purpose in life such is the same in the path of evolution. There shouldn't be an 'absolute' end to evolution, although what I say is neither fact or opinion. I can't think of the word!

[Hedera]

You want to join the Reapers? Go ahead.

CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE?

[ItsThat01Guy]

xbeton0L wrote...

Well of course evolution outside that of the sovereign power.

However, such as is individual purpose in life such is the same in the path of evolution. There shouldn't be an 'absolute' end to evolution, although what I say is neither fact or opinion. I can't think of the word!

Of course. The Reapers believe themselves to be Gods, with perfect knowledge of right and wrong. So, for them, it is the right thing to do. But they are not Gods, and they could be wrong.

For us, it is wrong. We are not given a chance to decide for ourselves. We are exterminated without an explanation or an offer of peace or compromise. But we might also be wrong.

Maybe the Reapers are wrong, and they are stopping evolution and forcing extinction. Maybe we are wrong, and we have reached our limits and are stifling growth in the galaxy. Should there be an absolute end to evolution? I don't know. The Reapers don't know either. But do we know better than the Reapers?

[xbeton0L]

All we do know in our primitive foresight is that we know what's best for our continued survival. Perhaps the Reapers haven't acknowledged that as a 'god-given right' and that perhaps it is they who will commence judgement accordingly. We might not agree it's fair, nor any other species, but who is to say they shouldn't? And furthermore, what better reason than this to go out and whoop some Reaper's official-godlike ass?

[ItsThat01Guy]

Darthsam wrote...

reminds me of Tengen toppa gurren lagann

Anti-Spiral (Reaper): "So this is how it must be. Protect the universe at all costs."
Simon (Shepard): "Of course we will. Humanity isn't that stupid."

Wow, that actually makes sense depending on your point of view of the Reapers. That's kind of a good comparison if you view the Reapers as destructive saviors.

The rest of it isn't even remotely the same, though.

[Eclipse_9990]

Darthsam wrote...

reminds me of Tengen toppa gurren lagann

Do the impossible see the invisible.. 

On Topic: The Reapers aren't good from out perspective, but they might be from their perspective. I don't really care I'm killing them regardless. I'm fully expecting a "motive rant", and I'll be ready for my "shut up Hannibal" moment in the form of a bullet/cannon/vorcha to the face. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:25 .

[Sturmwulfe]

@voteDC, I totally agree. I always found the most compelling villains the ones that think they're doing the right thing, or at least what they feel is necessary.

The reapers are pretty fascinating adversaries because really, there's a lot of layers to them. Maybe what they're doing is saving us from ourselves in the long run, maybe it never occurred to them that coexistence or even choice comes into the equation. In some ways... it almost seems like for a race so ancient and powerful, they don't understand more than manipulating events to complete a cycle. I wonder if they used to be an organic race that somehow, someway, voluntarily transcended their existence into what's now the reapers. Maybe if that were the case, they were on the verge of completely destroying their own civilization and someone got the crazy idea that merging the best qualities of organic life and technology would be their salvation. Heck, it could be anything.

Either way, as I and others have mentioned, they are arrogant and I think their downfall will be because of it. I don't think it can occur to them that the cycle can be broken, and everything we see is rash and unprecedented because this has literally never happened to them before. Maybe this is a side to organic life and civilizations that has literally never even been noticed or considered before. For all we know, this all powerful unstoppable race is prone to really bad decisions and have never been confronted with their own mortality before. Food for thought.

[xbeton0L]

Whether organic or synthetic, evolution is still evolution.

If humans today started implanting cybernetic legs to jump higher, it essentially makes humans 'better' therefore we have achieved a new stage in evolution. If you could install a fully functional computer inside your brain, and use it at will, you now have a better brain. If somehow the line between genetics and mechanics becomes blurred at the expense of becoming a better race, it is still evolution.

[GLaDOScake]

 "For all we know, this all powerful unstoppable race is prone to really bad decisions and have never been confronted with their own mortality before."

Reap: We are the beginning and end.  We shall transcend all and destroy you!  

(...and here comes something I don't think anyone has ever done to a reaper before...
[usually everyone just says "we'll fight you!!!] )
Shep: Why?  
Reap: Um...     well you see...   we all have to...  and then there's the...   ...  really its...  ...  
Shep: Go on...
Reap: