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Plot twist! Reapers are good!???


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xbeton0L wrote...

Whether organic or synthetic, evolution is still evolution.

If humans today started implanting cybernetic legs to jump higher, it essentially makes humans 'better' therefore we have achieved a new stage in evolution. If you could install a fully functional computer inside your brain, and use it at will, you now have a better brain. If somehow the line between genetics and mechanics becomes blurred at the expense of becoming a better race, it is still evolution.


That's kind of what I was thinking with my last post, almost a Deux Ex: Human Revolution thing where what used to be the reapers (it could almost be a parallel to what the reapers did the protheans to make the collectors, assuming they weren't always giant sentient starships that are each a nation of collective intelligence) bonded with technology to advance their race to the point where they were no longer recognizable, and they just took it to the extreme and assimilated their entire species into what we now know and love as space Cthulu.

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GLaDOScake wrote...

 "For all we know, this all powerful unstoppable race is prone to really bad decisions and have never been confronted with their own mortality before."

Reap: We are the beginning and end.  We shall transcend all and destroy you!  :devil:

(...and here comes something I don't think anyone has ever done to a reaper before...
[usually everyone just says "we'll fight you!!!] )
Shep: Why?  :mellow:
Reap: Um...   :?  well you see... :blush:  we all have to...  and then there's the...  :blink: ...  really its...  ...  :mellow:
Shep: Go on...
Reap: :unsure:


I think Shepard asked that in ME1.

Sovereign pretty much said, "F*** you, we do what we want. You're too stupid to understand it anyway."

alternatively,
Hipster-Sovereign: "It's called Ascension. You wouldn't understand it."Image IPB

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ItsThat01Guy wrote...

GLaDOScake wrote...

 "For all we know, this all powerful unstoppable race is prone to really bad decisions and have never been confronted with their own mortality before."

Reap: We are the beginning and end.  We shall transcend all and destroy you!  :devil:

(...and here comes something I don't think anyone has ever done to a reaper before...
[usually everyone just says "we'll fight you!!!] )
Shep: Why?  :mellow:
Reap: Um...   :?  well you see... :blush:  we all have to...  and then there's the...  :blink: ...  really its...  ...  :mellow:
Shep: Go on...
Reap: :unsure:


I think Shepard asked that in ME1.

Sovereign pretty much said, "F*** you, we do what we want. You're too stupid to understand it anyway."

alternatively,
Hipster-Sovereign: "It's called Ascension. You wouldn't understand it."Image IPB


Holy quad-sac, I would absolutely love it if Sovereign was a hipster. "I'm only talking to you on the terminal because it's ironic."

@GLadOScake, I would find it pretty amusing if the key to the reapers was making them realize that they don't really know why they're invading the galaxy and killing everyone and deciding it was kind of pointless in the first place. "You know, we don't even know why we keep doing this... um... We're just going to go now. Sorry everyone!"

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Reapers are good!? oh my gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!
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Also, now the Collectors are gone, I think the reapers should throw Pokeballs to collect and capture individual people, and we find out their whole reasoning for invading is they are just avid collectors.

ediskrad327, that is an epic reference. LOL

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Sturmwulfe wrote...

@GLadOScake, I would find it pretty amusing if the key to the reapers was making them realize that they don't really know why they're invading the galaxy and killing everyone and deciding it was kind of pointless in the first place. "You know, we don't even know why we keep doing this... um... We're just going to go now. Sorry everyone!"


Reapers: "fvck dis sh!t. we gon go lit up sum hella bluntz wit gmag, tbh."

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Those quotes you provided don't hint that the Reapers are "good," but that they're not bent on destroying intelligent life out of spite or malevolance. They have a rationale behind their plans but it doesn't make them any less bad - unless you think it's good to kill trillions of people.

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i would snap my ME 3 disk and throw my xbox out the window if that happens

Modifié par J0HNL3I, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:26 .


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The Reapers being good would be the stupidest plot twist ever.

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The reapers may think of themselves as good but are not unless possibly if there is a major plot twist which reveals a more powerful, more dangerous enemy which reapers were "saving" other races from.
(If the only such enemy is the passage of time then reapers are evil)

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Honestly I just think they're arrogant and they seem to like playing "god"

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This Tread is Indoctronated or somthin...

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The reapers are good guys like the Borg are good guys.

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Sturmwulfe wrote...
Holy quad-sac, I would absolutely love it if Sovereign was a hipster. "I'm only talking to you on the terminal because it's ironic."


"...it a reaper thang, ya feel me?"

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Weskerr wrote...

Unless you think it's good to kill trillions of people.


Depends if they are truly dead. We're still not entirely clear on what the mental state is of all the individuals fused into a reaper. From what we've seen indocintrinated people begin to share thoughts and memories, and after the initial distress caused by the unexpected changes don't seem unhappy.

Human development is already moving towards networking - facebook, wikipedia, even BSN - the barriers that seperate humans are already being eroded, with communal sharing of knowledge and social networking on a scale previously unimagined. Legion seems to indicate that reapers have a similar setup to a Geth platform, with many minds linked creating a single entity. A really intimate social network, where not just words and imagines, but thoughts, concepts and feelings can be transmitted seemlessly

It's not GOOD to force that sort've change upon trillions of people without their consent, but it may be that being a reaper really isn't a BAD experience either.




if this is true then the final question therefore is: Why do the reapers feel it nessecary to force it upon the races.

Once we know that we can judge whether they're truly a force for good or ill. Harbinger's rants about "ascension" or "humanity's destiny" might not be as hollow as they initially sounded

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 08 janvier 2012 - 01:52 .


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RyuujinZERO wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Unless you think it's good to kill trillions of people.


Depends if they are truly dead. We're still not entirely clear on what the mental state is of all the individuals fused into a reaper.

Well, yes, certainly no one knows how human a Reaper will be that is composed of humans. We don't know if the individuals who are processed into the reaper retain any of their own individuality once integrated into the Reaper or if these individuals are irrevocably changed into something completely different than themselves. So we must first answer the question "are individuals who are processed into Reapers different from their original selves once fully interegrated into a Reaper?" before answering "Are they truly dead?"

I think that if a person is changed completely into something else but is still alive, then that person has died and given birth to something completely different than himself. If this is how the process of making a Reaper truly works, then anyone who is integrated into a Reaper dies.

From what we've seen indocintrinated people begin to share thoughts and memories, and after the initial distress caused by the unexpected changes don't seem unhappy.


They will eventually die however, All people who are indoctrinated eventually lose their higher cognitive functioning and cannot take care of themselves. They will then starve and die.

Also, do not forget the people who are neither integrated into Reapers nor indoctrinated. They will simply be killed by conventional means of warfare.



Human development is already moving towards networking - facebook, wikipedia, even BSN - the barriers that seperate humans are already being eroded, with communal sharing of knowledge and social networking on a scale previously unimagined. Legion seems to indicate that reapers have a similar setup to a Geth platform, with many minds linked creating a single entity. A really intimate social network, where not just words and imagines, but thoughts, concepts and feelings can be transmitted seemlessly

It's not GOOD to force that sort've change upon trillions of people
without their consent, but it may be that being a reaper really isn't a
BAD experience either.


The difference between the Geth and Reapers is that the former are interdependent while each of the latter are independent. How each Reaper's independence affects communication is unknown and in any case, irrelevant. Whether it's a good or bad experience to be a Reaper is independent of the fact that people may have had to die for the Reaper to be created. Anyway, not all people are used to make Reapers and all of them will die because of the Reapers. To know how many people will be used to create a Reaper and how many will be killed through indoctrination, huskification, and conventional warfare depends on how many people are needed to make one Reaper and how many Reapers are going to be made.





if this is true then the final question therefore is: Why do the reapers feel it nessecary to force it upon the races.

Once we know that we can judge whether they're truly a force for good or ill. Harbinger's rants about "ascension" or "humanity's destiny" might not be as hollow as they initially sounded

A lot of people will die if the Reapers accomplish their goals, regardless of the Reaper's reasons. As far as the galaxy is concerned, that makes the Reapers bad.

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well, have we ever met a reaper that looked or acted differently then any other reaper?

its not like reapers have any unique qualities, or any personality at all. those thousands of oozed down people mean nothing individually and mean nothing as a whole.

the only thing going for being reaperized, is the word "transcendent." er whatever that one word is for the reapers ozzifying species thinking its the supreme form of a species. whatever that word is, isnt enough of a reason for me to follow along with it.

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someone else wrote...

Oh goody - this thread again. Reapers are just God's little vacuum cleaners..dyson didn't only invent spheres, you know.


We sell Dyson vacuums where I work.

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Reapers are just population control, there are no natural predators anymore in ME.

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RyuujinZERO wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Unless you think it's good to kill trillions of people.


Depends if they are truly dead. We're still not entirely clear on what the mental state is of all the individuals fused into a reaper.


What is dead cannot die, it comes back stronger and harder! We Do Not Sow!

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i thank they fear some race becoming more powerfull than them

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davidmasseffect wrote...

i thank they fear some race becoming more powerfull than them


close mate
tbh reapers are good and organic are evil :devil:

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OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

The reapers believe they're helping humanity ascend to a higher, and better, state of being by turning them into one. The reapers think what they're doing is pretty much an honour and what's supposed to be, I don't think good or evil or even morality comes into it. They just arrogantly think normal, organic life (and synthetic, for that matter) come and go, and aren't at the peak of existence.

It's kind of like getting accepted into an exclusive, super fancy club. Only if that club robbed you of your existence to turn you into something else.


Arrogance is the best way to look at it. To think you know what's best for every race in the galaxy without even taking into consideration what they want is the pinnacle of arrogance.

I think the majority of the Geth's way of looking at the reapers is
perfect here, that they don't need to Reaper's help to advance.


You mean - like humanity does to the hundreds of millions of other species on our planet? 

I agree - but, we really can't call the Reapers evil for that I suppose - without being huge f'n hypocrites. It would be nice if ME brought up this glaring reality.

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What a twist!