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Feelings after reading Asunder (spoilers)


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WhiteKnyght

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David Gaider wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
That's weird. Didn't they say, that books, comics have got their own canon story like Mass effect's novels ? Why couldn't they choose a side for Hawke in this case ?


Because creating canon for events and creating canon for player characters are two quite different things. The people at Tor, who have published numerous tie-ins, said as much-- fans tend to be okay with the former and far less okay with the latter-- and I can see their point. Since there's no way to avoid mentioning Hawke in the context of the book's conflict without also mentioning which side of the conflict Hawke came down on, I had to avoid mentioning Hawke at all.

Which doesn't bother me, since the references are minor at best anyhow. The point was not to pat a player on the hand and reassure them how very important their Hawke is. They'll have the games for that. :)


Well said.

One question though about Wynne. I know people are probably accusing you of canonizing her with the events of Origins since by choice of the Warden, she can be killed off.  But my question is can she or Evangeline even die when they have that spirit inside them? Seeing as it resurrected Wynne after she died, and Wynne was able to force the spirit into Evangeline to bring her back, it seems like having this spirit of 'faith' in them could make someone immortal.

Also after seeing the truth about Cole, it also seems possible that it might not have even really been Wynne, but rather the spirit possessed a corpse before it started rotting and became confused and believed itself to be the person after seeing her memories. Which would bring up the same curiosity about Evangeline.

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I am a bit confused by Cole's story. When it's revealed at the end that Cole was a demon, Rhys makes the following statement: "I think I killed those people".

This does not make much sense to me. Is he implying that Cole somehow manipulated him into killing the mages, and he just doesn't remember? It makes it sound like the demon possessed Rhys or was possibly attached to him in some way. However, I was under the impression that Cole's body, after dying, was somehow possessed by the demon and appeared alive. But then, that doesn't explain why he only appeared to select mages, or why he was no longer invisible once being seen in the Fade.

Does anyone have a theory for this?

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Essentially there is what individual people in the story believe about Cole and what he may actually be.
Rhys is a spirit medium, which means he seems more able to interact with spirits/demons than some other mages. This may allow him to elist their aid, such as for healing, but might also render him at greater risk of being manipulated by less benign forces. Rhys thought he was capable of spotting a demon and would therefore be able to resist such an effect. However, when a doubt is put in his mind, he starts to think that possibly he was responsible for the murders.

Lambert suggests that Rhys was being manipulated by the demon and the murders were helping to perpetuate the control Cole had over him. Blood mages can control people's minds and then alter their memories so they don't remember what happened and since it has been suggested that demons originally taught blood magic to the world, it stands to reason that a demon would know how to utilise blood magic.

It is left somewhat open exactly what Cole is but it is likely some form of desire demon came to Cole when he was in the dungeons. What he "desired" was to be forgotten, to disappear, and this is what the spirit gave him. Ordinarily he would have died but the spirit/demon kept him alive, a sort of shared life similar to what happened with Wynne and her faith spirit. I guess that in order to keep living required a combination of blood magic and a belief in his existance. As long as Rhys "believed" in him, Cole remained alive and in control but towards the end the demon was coming more and more to the surface every time Cole used the "invisibility" to kill and when Lambert exposed him, the real Cole was swallowed up by the demon and disappeared permanently from Rhys' vision. However, the demon now controlled the body, laid low until the moment was right and then attacked Lambert. This is why it said that originally it was helpless, because Cole was in control and preventing it from acting, but once it had control, it was now able to act as it wished.

This is of course only as I have understood it and might have got it wrong entirely. Hopefully it will be made clearer in the future.

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GavrielKay

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Arius23 wrote...

I am a bit confused by Cole's story. When it's revealed at the end that Cole was a demon, Rhys makes the following statement: "I think I killed those people".

This does not make much sense to me. Is he implying that Cole somehow manipulated him into killing the mages, and he just doesn't remember? It makes it sound like the demon possessed Rhys or was possibly attached to him in some way. However, I was under the impression that Cole's body, after dying, was somehow possessed by the demon and appeared alive. But then, that doesn't explain why he only appeared to select mages, or why he was no longer invisible once being seen in the Fade.

Does anyone have a theory for this?


My own personal thought was that because Rhys could see, hear and care about Cole, he gave the spirit more of a taste of the real world.  Cole got a liking for being noticed and important, and he had to experience it again.  Once he figured out that killing made him the most important thing in the world to his victims, he was hooked.

Rhys might actually feel more guilt than that or believe the he actually physcially carried out the murders, but that wasn't how I read it.  There seems to be a clean separation of viewpoints between Rhys and Cole so I didn't get the feeling that Rhys was possessed and didn't know it.

I think based on how the spirit said he stayed with the actual Cole until his death, and then sought out other distraught captives to be his victims...  I think it may have been a spirit of Compassion, that was corrupted into Vengeance or something similar by the end.

I guess the hole in my interpretation is that a spririt isn't supposed to be able to remain for long in the real world unless possessing a host.  So <spirit>Cole would have to be something different or very powerful for my theory to be true.

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Wow! I never read this book before because I was bored with the mage and Templar thing after Dragon Age 2. I was annoyed with some of the companions in Dragon Age 2. They seemed to me so polarized.
This book was really worth the read. I like the mystery surrounding Cole. It was easy to fall in love with Rhys and Evangeline. Both were strong selfless characters. I actually think I’ll like Dragon Age 2 more now.
I love Wynne and Shale together. The bantering was fun. Cole killing Lord Seeker Lambert was a fitting ending. I would love to see another book with Rhys in it. Any chance Alistair will find out Fiona is his mother. I would love to see him come to her aid. Now I’m interested in DA 3.