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[Someone With Mass]

wright1978 wrote...
No guaranteed sentinel seems very poor design but i was more talking about squad balance as in ME2 there was a balance of squaddies who were pro or anti cerberus. Tell me which of the squaddies is anti-alliance.

And that matters...how, exactly?

If they're against the Alliance, then they wouldn't be with Shepard in the first place. Not to mention that it's not exactly the right time to be picky.

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
No guaranteed sentinel seems very poor design but i was more talking about squad balance as in ME2 there was a balance of squaddies who were pro or anti cerberus. Tell me which of the squaddies is anti-alliance.

Lets see now...
Liara hates Cerberus. 
Garrus hates them.
Tali definitely hates them
VS hates them.
Meathead, don't know. 
Yep, you're right.  But, seeing as how Cerberus wants to keeel Shepard, this is seen as a good thing to many, many players.

One of the secret squadmates does have a pretty neutral opinion on Cerberus. The other one hates them too.

[wright1978]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I've seen no end to strange complaints about the ME3 squad, but "not enough anti-Alliance members" is definitely a new one.

Given Casey claimed it is going to be possible to roleplay ant-alliance in same way it was possible to roleplay anti-cerberus in ME2 i do think having zero squaddies who have issues with the Alliance as very odd especially given the number of anti-cerberus people on ME2 squad.

[Someone With Mass]

It's not like the Cerberus hate comes out of nowhere and is completely unprovoked in ME3.

[Candidate 88766]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Exactly. 

Just because they're not in your squad for the entire game doesn't mean they aren't tied to the story.

For some of the character plotlines - like Mordin's or Wrex's - it wouldn't make much sense for them to be confined to one ship for the whole game.

Besides, most characters have LotSB-style missions wherein they come into the limelight. Legion in particular has a major story role despite not being a permanent squadmember.

It's funny, because the majority of BSN thinks it's the opposite.

I've never understood why.

[Candidate 88766]

wright1978 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I've seen no end to strange complaints about the ME3 squad, but "not enough anti-Alliance members" is definitely a new one.

Given Casey claimed it is going to be possible to roleplay ant-alliance in same way it was possible to roleplay anti-cerberus in ME2 i do think having zero squaddies who have issues with the Alliance as very odd especially given the number of anti-cerberus people on ME2 squad.

Cerberus:
Anti-alien organisation.
Has commited terrorist acts.
Is trying to kill you.

Squadmembers being against Cerberus is understandable. Why would anyone be against the Alliance though unless they were strongly anti-human?

[RoboticWater]

wright1978 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I've seen no end to strange complaints about the ME3 squad, but "not enough anti-Alliance members" is definitely a new one.

Given Casey claimed it is going to be possible to roleplay ant-alliance in same way it was possible to roleplay anti-cerberus in ME2 i do think having zero squaddies who have issues with the Alliance as very odd especially given the number of anti-cerberus people on ME2 squad.

Again, whay does it matter? You can easily roleplay as an anti-alliance person, you'll just have some opposition. And by some opposition I mean very little. While the Alliance is a generally like organization, I doubt Garrus, Tali, or Liara would care if you opposed it. Even the pro alliance members know that your're Commander Shepard, the only hope for this war. They know that they'll have to deal with your opinions reguardless of what they are. 

Modifié par BlahDog, 08 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .

[wright1978]

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...

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Cerberus:
Anti-alien organisation.
Has commited terrorist acts.
Is trying to kill you.

Squadmembers being against Cerberus is understandable. Why would anyone be against the Alliance though unless they were strongly anti-human?

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Not anti-human, anti-alliance. The Alliance are by no means whiter than white.

[Candidate 88766]

wright1978 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Cerberus:
Anti-alien organisation.
Has commited terrorist acts.
Is trying to kill you.

Squadmembers being against Cerberus is understandable. Why would anyone be against the Alliance though unless they were strongly anti-human?

Not anti-human, anti-alliance. The Alliance are by no means whiter than white.

Never said they were.

However, the Alliance hasn't really done anything to agravate the other species, except the Turians and the Batarians and we already know Garrus doesn't seem to have any issues with the Alliance.

The Alliance are also trying to help out in ME3 - you're working for/with the Alliance in the co-op missions.

It would also be poor show for any characters to suddenly start slating off the Alliance while Earth is being devastated by the Reapers. Even if any of the characters for some reason had anti-Alliance sentiments they would probably keep them under wraps.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:01 .

[Starfishsicko]

I cant think of anyone who was anti alliance in ME1 or 2, except maybe Jack who was anti everything. s for being pro cerberus, ME2 had exactly one character who was and another who found them the more convinient option (I dont see that as the same thing). Those two are out of a potential, what, 11 or 12? Thats not exactly a balance wright.

[wright1978]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Never said they were.

However, the Alliance hasn't really done anything to agravate the other species, except the Turians and the Batarians and we already know Garrus doesn't seem to have any issues with the Alliance.

The Alliance are also trying to help out in ME3 - you're working for/with the Alliance in the co-op missions.

It would also be poor show for any characters to suddenly start slating off the Alliance while Earth is being devastated by the Reapers. Even if any of the characters for some reason had anti-Alliance sentiments they would probably keep them under wraps.

How is the fact that earth is under attack got anything to do with anything. The entire galaxy is under attack, by your logic no character is going to be able to express a negative opinion about any organisation/group which might have civilians under attack. Might have as well not bothered with all those conflicts that they've built up over 2 games.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

OP you don't understand ... doing personal stuff and going to vacation is more important than fighting thousands of reapers!

[Someone With Mass]

Why should they hate the Alliance? Is it to make up for all the Cerberus hate?

It'd work if the Alliance isn't fighting a losing battle for humanity's survival as you're running around the galaxy.

If anyone came up to me in the game and said how much they hate the Alliance, I'd respect that, but I also wouldn't think much about the character, since his/her timing is really weird.

If they had said that the Alliance sucks and they're not doing anything good, I'd punch that idiot in the gut and then launch him/her out the airlock, because there are thousands of Alliance soldiers on Earth (Anderson included) that are fighting against the Reapers, and then that little tw@t comes up and starts to beat down on them? Get the hell off my ship, good sir/madam.

[Candidate 88766]

wright1978 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Never said they were.

However, the Alliance hasn't really done anything to agravate the other species, except the Turians and the Batarians and we already know Garrus doesn't seem to have any issues with the Alliance.

The Alliance are also trying to help out in ME3 - you're working for/with the Alliance in the co-op missions.

It would also be poor show for any characters to suddenly start slating off the Alliance while Earth is being devastated by the Reapers. Even if any of the characters for some reason had anti-Alliance sentiments they would probably keep them under wraps.

How is the fact that earth is under attack got anything to do with anything. The entire galaxy is under attack, by your logic no character is going to be able to express a negative opinion about any organisation/group which might have civilians under attack. Might have as well not bothered with all those conflicts that they've built up over 2 games.

Its more that fact that Earth is being hit so hard. Every species has come under attack, but humanity is being devastated. None of the squadmembers willing to work with Shepard are suddenly going to come out and say that they don't want to work with humanity (the Alliance represents humanity, they are pretty much one and the same with regards to Earth).

[wright1978]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why should they hate the Alliance? Is it to make up for all the Cerberus hate?

It'd work if the Alliance isn't fighting a losing battle for humanity's survival as you're running around the galaxy.

If anyone came up to me in the game and said how much they hate the Alliance, I'd respect that, but I also wouldn't think much about the character, since his/her timing is really weird.

If they had said that the Alliance sucks and they're not doing anything good, I'd punch that idiot in the gut and then launch him/her out the airlock, because there are thousands of Alliance soldiers on Earth (Anderson included) that are fighting against the Reapers, and then that little tw@t comes up and starts to beat down on them? Get the hell off my ship, good sir/madam.

Having issues with an organisation doesn't mean hating the pawns that are the soldiers just doing their job.It is no different to ME2 where because Cerberus is the only organisation that wants to investigate the abductions Shep uses their resources and even the squaddies who dislike Cerberus play their role to stop the collectors.

[Candidate 88766]

wright1978 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why should they hate the Alliance? Is it to make up for all the Cerberus hate?

It'd work if the Alliance isn't fighting a losing battle for humanity's survival as you're running around the galaxy.

If anyone came up to me in the game and said how much they hate the Alliance, I'd respect that, but I also wouldn't think much about the character, since his/her timing is really weird.

If they had said that the Alliance sucks and they're not doing anything good, I'd punch that idiot in the gut and then launch him/her out the airlock, because there are thousands of Alliance soldiers on Earth (Anderson included) that are fighting against the Reapers, and then that little tw@t comes up and starts to beat down on them? Get the hell off my ship, good sir/madam.

Having issues with an organisation doesn't mean hating the pawns that are the soldiers just doing their job.It is no different to ME2 where because Cerberus is the only organisation that wants to investigate the abductions Shep uses their resources and even the squaddies who dislike Cerberus play their role to stop the collectors.

There are actual reasons for characters to hate Cerberus though.

Their anti-alien attitude is enough to make every non-human on board dislike them, and Tali has particular reason to dislike them because of their attack on the Flotilla. Out of the human squadmates, Jack has very good reason to dislike them.

No one has any real reason to dislike the Alliance though.

[Someone With Mass]

Again, what does that accomplish?

[wright1978]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

No one has any real reason to dislike the Alliance though.

There's plenty of reasons to dislike the Alliance.

[wright1978]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Again, what does that accomplish?

I obviously imagined the way the ME2 squad added to the game experience of my various Shepherds from the strongly ant-Cerberus to the bitter angry Anti-alliance. They should replace the squad with drones if their sole purpose is to aid in combat!

[Random citizen]

Wrex (if alive) is no doubt leading his people in their war against the reapers. Makes little (none what so ever actually) sense for him to follow Shepard around all the time.

[Candidate 88766]

wright1978 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

No one has any real reason to dislike the Alliance though.

There's plenty of reasons to dislike the Alliance.

Care to name some, other than the First Contact War and their expansion into Batarian space?

More specifically, are there any reasons why our squadmembers - VS, Vega, Liara, Tali, Garrus, spoiler and spoiler - would dislike the Alliance?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[Someone With Mass]

wright1978 wrote...

I obviously imagined the way the ME2 squad added to the game experience of my various Shepherds from the strongly ant-Cerberus to the bitter angry Anti-alliance. They should replace the squad with drones if their sole purpose is to aid in combat!

It's not.

Their purpose is not to be cheerleaders for the two human factions either.

[Candidate 88766]

Random citizen wrote...

Wrex (if alive) is no doubt leading his people in their war against the reapers. Makes little (none what so ever actually) sense for him to follow Shepard around all the time.

This goes for many of the characters - they have far more important things to be doing.