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[didymos1120]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Now if it is true that Origin does not provide a method for backing a game up then that is pretty weak and just another example of EA dropping the ball and expecting PC gamers to settle for a second rate system.

It's not as well-developed as that.  It simply keeps the installers around if you tell it to.  If you want them on DVD or anything, you'll have to do it yourself or tell your preferred backup utility to do it.

Modifié par didymos1120, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:31 .

[chance52]

charmingcharlie wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
That's not really an "Origin problem".  It's a potential drawback of any digital download service. You're in exactly the same boat if you've bought a game on Steam or off Direct2Drive and you don't keep the install files around (which  Origin actually allows you to do).

I cannot comment on whether Origin allows you to backup the games since I have never used Origin (and never will).  However Steam does give you the ability to backup your games to DVD.  There is a feature in steam that will allow you choose which games you back up.  It will then compress them and put them into handy DVD size files that you can burn to DVD so if something happens to your hard disc you can restore your games from that backup.

Now if it is true that Origin does not provide a method for backing a game up then that is pretty weak and just another example of EA dropping the ball and expecting PC gamers to settle for a second rate system.

^This, Steam does allow backups and Origins does not. You can backdoor a solution to halfway accomplish a backup system for Origin but say goodbye to any DLC authorization. Any DLC you want to use becomes deauthorized until you do a redownload.  

[charmingcharlie]

Then if that is the case it is another example of Origin being way behind the competition (Steam has had this ability for years, what is EA's excuse ?). This is the thing if you want people to use your DD service then make it so people actually WANT to use your service. Do not release a DD service with basic features missing and the only thing going for it is that people are FORCED to use it.

Now before you go "oh well steam was crappy in the beginning" yes it was but that was 7 years ago and there was no major DD system then. Just because steam "got away with it" 7 years ago does not mean a company can get away with it now the market place is too different.

[chance52]

didymos1120 wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

Now if it is true that Origin does not provide a method for backing a game up then that is pretty weak and just another example of EA dropping the ball and expecting PC gamers to settle for a second rate system.

It's not as well-developed as that.  It simply keeps the installers around if you tell it to.  If you want them on DVD or anything, you'll have to do it yourself or tell your preferred backup utility to do it.

I have always had the box checked to keep the installers and not once has it ever saved them.  I even contacted tech support about the issue and their stellar advice was to download the entire thing again with the box checked, like it was the first time.

[wijse]

EA supports SOPA act. Thats enough for me to not buy any new EA games.

Modifié par wijse, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:43 .

[chance52]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Then if that is the case it is another example of Origin being way behind the competition (Steam has had this ability for years, what is EA's excuse ?). This is the thing if you want people to use your DD service then make it so people actually WANT to use your service. Do not release a DD service with basic features missing and the only thing going for it is that people are FORCED to use it.

Now before you go "oh well steam was crappy in the beginning" yes it was but that was 7 years ago and there was no major DD system then. Just because steam "got away with it" 7 years ago does not mean a company can get away with it now the market place is too different.

I agree I was using EA's DD service before it became Origin and started allowing themselves access to your entire computer.   So for about a year and a half I have had to redownload each time. And each time I chechk to see with tech support if there is a way around the redownload and always get told, "yeah there really should be a way but sorry no." I have a total of 4 games on EA's DD service and honestly if Steam had ME3 I would have gone through them instead.

[Hedera]

All of you who incessantly insist Origin is sending EA your tax information might want to read This post.
Despite the legalese in Origin's EULA, the actual program doesn't do anything Steam doesn't.

As far as it being an inferior Digital Distribution platform, I think that isn't a question.  It has had about six years less time for market penetration, as well as the fact that it only (for the most part) carries EA games.  I may not agree with EA trying to grab at the low-hanging fruit of DD services, which they should have done ideally three years ago, but I feel like I should tell you that Origin isn't this blatant spyware everyone claims it is.

Modifié par cgrimm54, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:48 .

[Aaleel]

didymos1120 wrote...

chance52 wrote...

The main problem with Origin (in features at least) is when it comes time to reinstall and we are required to once again download these games at 6GB, 11 GB, 27 GB etc. and it can take hours or even days just to play a game.

That's not really an "Origin problem".  It's a potential drawback of any digital download service. You're in exactly the same boat if you've bought a game on Steam or off Direct2Drive and you don't keep the install files around (which  Origin actually allows you to do).

I don't know about this.  When I built my new PC I installed all my Direct2Drive games without having to download them again.  It was just the games I downloaded through whatever EA download manager used to be that  had to redownload.

Modifié par Aaleel, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:50 .

[didymos1120]

Aaleel wrote...

I don't know about this.  When I built my new I installed all my Direct2Drive games without having to download them again.  It was just the games I downloaded through whatever EA download manager used to be that  had to redownload.

Well, either you hadn't told it to keep the installers, or they didn't add that feature until it became Origin.

[charmingcharlie]

cgrimm54 wrote...

All of you who incessantly insist Origin is sending EA your tax information might want to read This post
Despite the legalese in Origin's EULA, the actual program doesn't do anything Steam doesn't.

Isn't this the second time you have posted that link ?  Sorry but those that frequent and use Reddit are barely a step above visitors to 4chan.  If I see a post on reddit saying "water is wet" I would still want to verify it for myself that is just how much credibility Reddit has.  Oh and yes Origin does a lot that Steam doesn't do, like snoop around for stuff without giving you the option to opt out of the snooping.

cgrimm54 wrote...
As far as it being an inferior Digital Distribution platform, I think that isn't a question.  It has had about six years less time for market penetration, as well as the fact that it  only (for the most part) carries EA games.  I may not agree with EA trying to grab at the low-hanging fruit of DD services, which they  should have done ideally three years ago, but I feel like I should tell you that Origin isn't this blatant spyware everyone claims it is.

It doesn't matter that it has had six less years (it was EADM which is now Origin and has been around for a couple of years now and has not improved one little bit).  Yes it is the blatant spyware everyone is claiming that is why everyone is claiming it. 

The situation is this, firstly there is a vastly better service already in existence, secondly the terms and conditions surrounding Origin are pretty disgusting (and are different to steams) and thirdly there is EA's reputation of abusing the abilities Origin gives them by banning users from their games for virtually no reason whatsoever.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .

[Boomer-Australia]

Members of the forum please read my second post saying that it was a joke I'm not actually that stupid that I wouldn't care about a program possibly looking at my credit card details and personal details (@Ghost-621) 

Hmmmm I wonder how my antivirus programs will react....

Modifié par Boomer-Australia, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:54 .

[Hedera]

charmingcharlie wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

All of you who incessantly insist Origin is sending EA your tax information might want to read This post
Despite the legalese in Origin's EULA, the actual program doesn't do anything Steam doesn't.

Isn't this the second time you have posted that link ?  Sorry but those that frequent and use Reddit are barely a step above visitors to 4chan.  If some one said to me "water is wet" I would still want to verify it for myself that is just how much credibility Reddit has.  Oh and yes Origin does a lot that Steam doesn't do, like snoop around for stuff without giving you the option to opt out of the snooping.

It is the second time.  I'm going to post it every time I see people freaking out over imaginary problems and I don't have anything better to do.
I am, like you, upset by the fact they don't let you opt out of the 'snooping', but the guy I quoted has much more technical knowledge than I do, and managed to sniff the packets Origin sends to EA's servers.  As much as I dislike the underhanded snooping, I'm a little happier knowing it isn't actual files it looks at, just what type and where they are.  
I know Reddit can be as bad as anywhere else on the internet, but this guy at least appears to know what he's talking about.  At least more than the "EA wants my porn folder and credit card info" alarmists I see.  I'm by no means defending EA, but more seeking to give the alarmists more information to base their claims on.

[voteDC]

I confess to being slightly worried about this, especially since so many people are blaming recent Xbox Live account 'hacks' on something at EA's end. So I'm not keen on giving them more access to my PC than is needed.

Hopefully though Chris P will be able to clear this up one way or another, as 'answers soon' seem to be something of a Bioware mantra these days.

[Aaleel]

cgrimm54 wrote...

It is the second time.  I'm going to post it every time I see people freaking out over imaginary problems and I don't have anything better to do.
I am, like you, upset by the fact they don't let you opt out of the 'snooping', but the guy I quoted has much more technical knowledge than I do, and managed to sniff the packets Origin sends to EA's servers.  As much as I dislike the underhanded snooping, I'm a little happier knowing it isn't actual files it looks at, just what type and where they are.  
I know Reddit can be as bad as anywhere else on the internet, but this guy at least appears to know what he's talking about.  At least more than the "EA wants my porn folder and credit card info" alarmists I see.  I'm by no means defending EA, but more seeking to give the alarmists more information to base their claims on.

I don't know why this would calm anyones fears.  I don't think people care about what Origin took from one person's PC.  I think people are more concerned with what they give EA permission to look at and sell in the future by signing the EULA.

The lack of an opt out clause is especially concerning.

Modifié par Aaleel, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .

[DRSH]

Origin ey? well... too bad.. [inappropriate comments removed] Too much bloatware... publishers need to stop treating their customers like dog sh-t.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:17 .

[hangmans tree]

cgrimm54 wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

All of you who incessantly insist Origin is sending EA your tax information might want to read This post
Despite the legalese in Origin's EULA, the actual program doesn't do anything Steam doesn't.

Isn't this the second time you have posted that link ?  Sorry but those that frequent and use Reddit are barely a step above visitors to 4chan.  If some one said to me "water is wet" I would still want to verify it for myself that is just how much credibility Reddit has.  Oh and yes Origin does a lot that Steam doesn't do, like snoop around for stuff without giving you the option to opt out of the snooping.

It is the second time.  I'm going to post it every time I see people freaking out over imaginary problems and I don't have anything better to do.
I am, like you, upset by the fact they don't let you opt out of the 'snooping', but the guy I quoted has much more technical knowledge than I do, and managed to sniff the packets Origin sends to EA's servers.  As much as I dislike the underhanded snooping, I'm a little happier knowing it isn't actual files it looks at, just what type and where they are.  
I know Reddit can be as bad as anywhere else on the internet, but this guy at least appears to know what he's talking about.  At least more than the "EA wants my porn folder and credit card info" alarmists I see.  I'm by no means defending EA, but more seeking to give the alarmists more information to base their claims on.

... but the problem isn't strictly tied to gathering information, or packages it does or doesn't send. Its about 'ownership' of the product, changing EULAS without notice or consent and many other factors that circumvent our rights as consumers ( I really hate that word...).
Bah, I'm tired...

[OperativeX]

charmingcharlie wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
That's not really an "Origin problem".  It's a potential drawback of any digital download service. You're in exactly the same boat if you've bought a game on Steam or off Direct2Drive and you don't keep the install files around (which  Origin actually allows you to do).

I cannot comment on whether Origin allows you to backup the games since I have never used Origin (and never will).  However Steam does give you the ability to backup your games to DVD.  There is a feature in steam that will allow you choose which games you back up.  It will then compress them and put them into handy DVD size files that you can burn to DVD so if something happens to your hard disc you can restore your games from that backup.

Now if it is true that Origin does not provide a method for backing a game up then that is pretty weak and just another example of EA dropping the ball and expecting PC gamers to settle for a second rate system.

I can tell you now it does NOT give you a working backup system. At least not one that works more than a handful of times. For instance, i backed up my Origin version of Battlefield 2142. I put the install files on an external HDD. I wiped my OS and re-installed it on my main drive then re-installed Origin. I copied the BF2142 install files back to the game library folder where i'd first copied them from.

On the Origin games library screen next to the BF2142 icon i had an 'Install' button instead of a 'Download' button. Meaning Origin had recognised me putting the game install files in the correct folder. So i clicked install and went through all the loading screens. Install complete.

Next step, click start game. It worked. But after repeating this process and re-installing my OS a few times again later... what happens? Apparantly i'm no longer authorised to play the game because i've re-installed the game  too many times. *sigh* So i then contacted EA tech support which took days for them to figure out what was up then in the end the guy i was dealing with said he'd give me some more activations.

I was like 'what the hell dude... this game came out in 2006 with no install limits, why do i have install limits now?' and he told me all digital games have install limits on Origin/EADM. *facepalm*

Needless to say i picked up a retail copy of BF2142 recently for a bargain bin price and i am no longer bound by Origin install limits.

I also had a similar problem with Crysis 1 on Origin. I rebought that game on Steam and again i am not bound by install limits and i have a backup system that works and doesn't punish me for re-installing me OS.

Modifié par OperativeX, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .

[Hedera]

Aaleel wrote...


I don't know why this would calm anyones fears.  I don't think people care about what Origin took from one person's PC.  I think people are more concerned with what they give EA permission to look at and sell in the future by signing the EULA.

The lack of an opt out clause is especially concerning.

I don't want to calm anyone's fears.  Just spreading information.  I don't like that lack of opting out, but Origin allows me to play ME2 without my ME2 disk.  I mainly use it to download and back my games up online.  It spends most of its time not active, whereas I have Steam set to open when the computer starts.  The reason I am even posting on this forum is because people are woefully misinformed on Origin and just re-post what they've heard.

If EA is ever revealed to be this big personal-info-devouring monster it is often claimed to be, and they empty my bank account, and are untouchable thanks to the EULA, I'll gladly accept any flaming, because I was aware of the risks, and chose to utilize a program that provides me convenience.  (The free copy of Dead Space 2 helped, too.)

[chance52]

OperativeX wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
That's not really an "Origin problem".  It's a potential drawback of any digital download service. You're in exactly the same boat if you've bought a game on Steam or off Direct2Drive and you don't keep the install files around (which  Origin actually allows you to do).

I cannot comment on whether Origin allows you to backup the games since I have never used Origin (and never will).  However Steam does give you the ability to backup your games to DVD.  There is a feature in steam that will allow you choose which games you back up.  It will then compress them and put them into handy DVD size files that you can burn to DVD so if something happens to your hard disc you can restore your games from that backup.

Now if it is true that Origin does not provide a method for backing a game up then that is pretty weak and just another example of EA dropping the ball and expecting PC gamers to settle for a second rate system.

I can tell you now it does NOT give you a working backup system. At least not one that works more than a handful of times. For instance, i backed up my Origin version of Battlefield 2142. I put the install files on an external HDD. I wiped my OS and re-installed it on my main drive then re-installed Origin. I copied the BF2142 install files back to the game library folder where i'd first copied them from.

On the Origin games library screen next to the BF2142 icon i had an 'Install' button instead of a 'Download' button. Meaning Origin had recognised me putting the game install files in the correct folder. So i clicked install and went through all the loading screens. Install complete.

Next step, click start game. It worked. But after repeating this process and re-installing my OS a few times again later... what happens? Apparantly i'm no longer authorised to play the game because i've re-installed the game  too many times. *sigh* So i then contacted EA tech support which took days for them to figure out what was up then in the end the guy i was dealing with said he'd give me some more activations.

I was like 'what the hell dude... this game came out in 2006 with no install limits, why do i have install limits now?' and he told me all digital games have install limits on Origin/EADM. *facepalm*

Needless to say i picked up a retail copy of BF2142 recently for a bargain bin price and i am no longer bound by Origin install limits.

I also had a similar problem with Crysis 1 on Origin. I rebought that game on Steam and again i am not bound by install limits and i have a backup system that works and doesn't punish me for re-installing me OS.

There is a reinstall limit?! WTF?  For what possible reason would EA have to limit the number of times we change the program layout on our own computers?

[Mallissin]

wijse wrote...

EA supports SOPA act. Thats enough for me to not buy any new EA games.

Thanks for bringing up SOPA, you just indirectly had a bunch of posts from yesterday censored by a moderator.

Noteably, comments AGAINST piracy, not for it.

[Sundance31us]

chance52 wrote...
There is a reinstall limit?! WTF?  For what possible reason would EA have to limit the number of times we change the program layout on our own computers?

From the EA website:

Origin lifetime download limit error message

You may receive one of the following error messages if you have reached the maximum amount of times your game can be downloaded through Origin:

    For security reasons, you are allowed # concurrently active licenses. This limit has been reached. Please wait until one of the other licenses auto-expires, then try again.
    License response error: '78008,Max machine lifetime entitlement met:#
    Error: 10000:78008

Every time the download button is clicked, a download count will be added to your lifetime total. If you have installed your game via Origin on more than three computers within a ten day period, you will need to wait until the first installation expires.

Note: Re-installing your operating system, or interrupting a current download, will count as a new computer installation.

If you have reached your download limit, click Talk to a Game Advisor and include your account name, the title of the file or game you are downloading, and a brief description of the issue.

http://help.ea.com/a...t-error-message

[Hedera]

chance52 wrote...

There is a reinstall limit?! WTF?  For what possible reason would EA have to limit the number of times we change the program layout on our own computers?

So you can't, say, give all of your friends your Origin credentials, thereby effectively giving them a bunch of free games?  That's the entire reason behind install limits.

[chance52]

Sundance31us wrote...

chance52 wrote...
There is a reinstall limit?! WTF?  For what possible reason would EA have to limit the number of times we change the program layout on our own computers?

From the EA website:

Origin lifetime download limit error message

You may receive one of the following error messages if you have reached the maximum amount of times your game can be downloaded through Origin:

    For security reasons, you are allowed # concurrently active licenses. This limit has been reached. Please wait until one of the other licenses auto-expires, then try again.
    License response error: '78008,Max machine lifetime entitlement met:#
    Error: 10000:78008

Every time the download button is clicked, a download count will be added to your lifetime total. If you have installed your game via Origin on more than three computers within a ten day period, you will need to wait until the first installation expires.

Note: Re-installing your operating system, or interrupting a current download, will count as a new computer installation.

If you have reached your download limit, click Talk to a Game Advisor and include your account name, the title of the file or game you are downloading, and a brief description of the issue.

http://help.ea.com/a...t-error-message

Why is EA actively trying to drive away customers? That lifetime limit directly contradicts several conversations I had with EA's tech support.

When they implement these policies is it by someone who is about to apply for a job at a competing company and their goal is to walk in to the interview and say "Hire me, I just drove a lot of people away from you competition!"

[IBPROFEN]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

As it is, Mass Effect 3 is the last game I'm buying, period. There's no other good games left considering everything else is a rehash, or a $70 paperweight (i.e. 4-hour single-player games). The only games I'm remotely interested in are Aliens: Colonial Marines and BioShock Infinite, and that's it (Might make an exception on the Respawn Entertainment studios's first game, since they're the original devs of the entire Call of Duty series)

Half-life 3?

 Never heard of  Respawn ENT, My copies of COD,COD/UO has Infinity ward and Activision on them, which I down remember the game credits. COD,COD/UO  were the first, with UO was expansion pack.

[Lunatic LK47]

IBPROFEN wrote...


 Never heard of  Respawn ENT, My copies of COD,COD/UO has Infinity ward and Activision on them, which I down remember the game credits. COD,COD/UO  were the first, with UO was expansion pack.

Respawn Entertainment is full of the VETERANS of Infinity Ward (i.e. the original Infinity Ward team did NOT do Modern Warfare 3. They did 1, 2, and MW1 and MW2).