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Bogsnot1 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Frankly all I see are people acting hysterical over something that may happen but most likely won't.
So you dont lock the doors to your house I assume? I mean, it is possible that someone could wander in and steal everything that isnt nailed down, but it most likely wont. Locking your doors is a sign of you being hysterical and paranoid.
Adugan wrote...
Chris and Woo dont understand that this thread isnt for us to discuss Origin. It is for them to give us an answer. Apparently, it is "Keep it civil and discuss Origin."
Adugan wrote...
Chris and Woo dont understand that this thread isnt for us to discuss Origin. It is for them to give us an answer. Apparently, it is "Keep it civil and discuss Origin."
Sethan_1 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Frankly all I see are people acting hysterical over something that may happen but most likely won't.
Sure, 'cause nobody ever has someone else swear at them in the forums mentioning their username in the post and suddenly loses access to all their EA games (multiplayer or not) because their account was banned by EA.
...and no company ever changes privacy options and whether they sell information to third parties after you have already agreed to the EULA and given them your info *cough*Facebook**cough*
No company ever gets sold or goes bankrupt and has all the customer information they've collected (that they swore to not give to third parties or use for nefarious purposes) sold as an asset to whoever has the cash.
No company ever gets their servers hacked and their software compromised (loads of fun when you already have this software allowed through your firewalls/antivirus and it gets an "update").
Even if we assume that EA's motives are pristine and their execution flawless (neither of which I am willing to grant without reservation), when you give someone else control over your information or access to your software, you are leaving yourself open to abuse of that privilege that will eventually occur. The only questions are how long it will take and who will do the abusing.
kofelover wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Frankly all I see are people acting hysterical over something that may happen but most likely won't.
Sure, 'cause nobody ever has someone else swear at them in the forums mentioning their username in the post and suddenly loses access to all their EA games (multiplayer or not) because their account was banned by EA.
...and no company ever changes privacy options and whether they sell information to third parties after you have already agreed to the EULA and given them your info *cough*Facebook**cough*
No company ever gets sold or goes bankrupt and has all the customer information they've collected (that they swore to not give to third parties or use for nefarious purposes) sold as an asset to whoever has the cash.
No company ever gets their servers hacked and their software compromised (loads of fun when you already have this software allowed through your firewalls/antivirus and it gets an "update").
Even if we assume that EA's motives are pristine and their execution flawless (neither of which I am willing to grant without reservation), when you give someone else control over your information or access to your software, you are leaving yourself open to abuse of that privilege that will eventually occur. The only questions are how long it will take and who will do the abusing.
Well said!!
And for other posts that say Steam scans for the same information as Origin that is INcorrect. But, more importantly, you MUST give your permission to allow Steam to scan. It does NOT automatically happen when you start Steam.
wolfsite wrote...
kofelover wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Frankly all I see are people acting hysterical over something that may happen but most likely won't.
Sure, 'cause nobody ever has someone else swear at them in the forums mentioning their username in the post and suddenly loses access to all their EA games (multiplayer or not) because their account was banned by EA.
...and no company ever changes privacy options and whether they sell information to third parties after you have already agreed to the EULA and given them your info *cough*Facebook**cough*
No company ever gets sold or goes bankrupt and has all the customer information they've collected (that they swore to not give to third parties or use for nefarious purposes) sold as an asset to whoever has the cash.
No company ever gets their servers hacked and their software compromised (loads of fun when you already have this software allowed through your firewalls/antivirus and it gets an "update").
Even if we assume that EA's motives are pristine and their execution flawless (neither of which I am willing to grant without reservation), when you give someone else control over your information or access to your software, you are leaving yourself open to abuse of that privilege that will eventually occur. The only questions are how long it will take and who will do the abusing.
Well said!!
And for other posts that say Steam scans for the same information as Origin that is INcorrect. But, more importantly, you MUST give your permission to allow Steam to scan. It does NOT automatically happen when you start Steam.
I've run a process monitor on both Steam and Origin and kept them running for very long periods of time. They both do the same thing. If you don't believe just download a Process monitor yourself and check.
Also there is no way EA could (if they were) take all your data and sell it to others, this is a huge Ethics violation which can bring a huge federeal, civil, not to mention PR nightmare that could cost EA Millions if not Billions in the courts. This almost happened in Europe so I doubt EA would dare risk having that again.
Adanu wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
kofelover wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Frankly all I see are people acting hysterical over something that may happen but most likely won't.
Sure, 'cause nobody ever has someone else swear at them in the forums mentioning their username in the post and suddenly loses access to all their EA games (multiplayer or not) because their account was banned by EA.
...and no company ever changes privacy options and whether they sell information to third parties after you have already agreed to the EULA and given them your info *cough*Facebook**cough*
No company ever gets sold or goes bankrupt and has all the customer information they've collected (that they swore to not give to third parties or use for nefarious purposes) sold as an asset to whoever has the cash.
No company ever gets their servers hacked and their software compromised (loads of fun when you already have this software allowed through your firewalls/antivirus and it gets an "update").
Even if we assume that EA's motives are pristine and their execution flawless (neither of which I am willing to grant without reservation), when you give someone else control over your information or access to your software, you are leaving yourself open to abuse of that privilege that will eventually occur. The only questions are how long it will take and who will do the abusing.
Well said!!
And for other posts that say Steam scans for the same information as Origin that is INcorrect. But, more importantly, you MUST give your permission to allow Steam to scan. It does NOT automatically happen when you start Steam.
I've run a process monitor on both Steam and Origin and kept them running for very long periods of time. They both do the same thing. If you don't believe just download a Process monitor yourself and check.
Also there is no way EA could (if they were) take all your data and sell it to others, this is a huge Ethics violation which can bring a huge federeal, civil, not to mention PR nightmare that could cost EA Millions if not Billions in the courts. This almost happened in Europe so I doubt EA would dare risk having that again.
It must be nice living naively enough to think that it would be public.
Adanu wrote...
It must be nice living naively enough to think that it would be public.
abaris wrote...
Adanu wrote...
It must be nice living naively enough to think that it would be public.
But you can be sure that someone would discover the dirty secrets.
That's not the point. The point is inviting some alien server into your hard drive. You're opening a backdoor and if someone hacks into that server, they can abuse the power.
It has happened before and it can happen again.
I agree.Adanu wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Also there is no way EA could (if they were) take all your data and sell it to others, this is a huge Ethics violation which can bring a huge federeal, civil, not to mention PR nightmare that could cost EA Millions if not Billions in the courts. This almost happened in Europe so I doubt EA would dare risk having that again.
It must be nice living naively enough to think that it would be public.
Modifié par Lumikki, 11 janvier 2012 - 01:30 .
Lumikki wrote...
I agree.
If you don't have to allow possibility to something bad happen to you self, why to hell would anyone be so stupid and let that possibility exist, if they don't have to? People are really naive and trusting way too easy.
People in now days live in this fantasy utopia life. "Cool", "Fun", "Easy". Never actually using brain to think what can happen. Because when it happens, then the face isn't smiling anymore and it was they own fault, because falsely placed trust.
Random citizen wrote...
Everyone hates origin. Time to discontinue it.
Modifié par MartinDN, 11 janvier 2012 - 01:39 .
20thCenturyGhost wrote...
I've followed the twitter thread and know how hard Casey Hudson's team have worked on this game, putting in extremely long hours and sacrificing weekends and much else to get the game into a finished state. I doubt after all that effort expended that they would be any less unhappy than we are if EA were to throw an absurd obstacle like Origin into the path of the games success.
Steam is not that much different. Remember Steamworks? The only difference is that EA is forcing his own platform on others while Valve has the other devs and pubs doing if for them.Aquem1ni wrote...
It has been confirmed that the only digital platfrom will be origin. If you wish to buy the game in a digital store, it will be origin. If you buy the game via a retail store, during the installing you will be redirected to origin. So yes, EA has already throw the gamer this obstacle. Unfortunatelly for bioware I will not accepted again like they did with BF3. I have bought part 1 and 2 via steam on the pc and I just refuse to accept this rude way of handeling a customer.
I'm sorry to say but I will not buy this game, but I will play this game!
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Funny, steam does the same thing what origin but noo. People keep moaning blindly. Companies will always do what they want and there is nothing we can do except one thing you've mentioned aquem1nl. TBH, I'll play ME3 on PC original game. Why ? I dont keep personal stuff on this gaming PC. simple, origin can look all the time and it wont find anything valuable.
MartinDN wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Funny, steam does the same thing what origin but noo. People keep moaning blindly. Companies will always do what they want and there is nothing we can do except one thing you've mentioned aquem1nl. TBH, I'll play ME3 on PC original game. Why ? I dont keep personal stuff on this gaming PC. simple, origin can look all the time and it wont find anything valuable.
The problem is not everyone has 2 pcs, nor a console, i keep many private work files on here, photos, my bank details, passwords, Hell even my CV, steam does not go rooting around my folders on my computer whenever it wants to, nor does it make me give away my rights to use it.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
MartinDN wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Funny, steam does the same thing what origin but noo. People keep moaning blindly. Companies will always do what they want and there is nothing we can do except one thing you've mentioned aquem1nl. TBH, I'll play ME3 on PC original game. Why ? I dont keep personal stuff on this gaming PC. simple, origin can look all the time and it wont find anything valuable.
The problem is not everyone has 2 pcs, nor a console, i keep many private work files on here, photos, my bank details, passwords, Hell even my CV, steam does not go rooting around my folders on my computer whenever it wants to, nor does it make me give away my rights to use it.
That is true, thats the main problem. I dont have 2 pc's. 1 is gaming pc (almost 4 year old bu still rocks) and a cheapish laptop for private stuff. Some people claim that since the leatest update, origin stopped rooting around pc folders except origin folder.
Modifié par MartinDN, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .
MartinDN wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
MartinDN wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Funny, steam does the same thing what origin but noo. People keep moaning blindly. Companies will always do what they want and there is nothing we can do except one thing you've mentioned aquem1nl. TBH, I'll play ME3 on PC original game. Why ? I dont keep personal stuff on this gaming PC. simple, origin can look all the time and it wont find anything valuable.
The problem is not everyone has 2 pcs, nor a console, i keep many private work files on here, photos, my bank details, passwords, Hell even my CV, steam does not go rooting around my folders on my computer whenever it wants to, nor does it make me give away my rights to use it.
That is true, thats the main problem. I dont have 2 pc's. 1 is gaming pc (almost 4 year old bu still rocks) and a cheapish laptop for private stuff. Some people claim that since the leatest update, origin stopped rooting around pc folders except origin folder.
I personally wouldent want to risk it until the TOS remains the same, placeholder or no, i also read that but yet the TOS remains the same, the ability is still there for it to search your PC even if it doesnt. And as i said i have no qualms whatsoever with origin as a digital retailer, competition breeds better products and services, but i do with the service itself, they have created too much negativity now among those who want to keep there private information private, they need to remove the ability altogether, OR create a simple opt out. But its ea, they didnt learn from spore.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Funny, steam does the same thing what origin but noo. People keep moaning blindly. Companies will always do what they want and there is nothing we can do except one thing you've mentioned aquem1nl. TBH, I'll play ME3 on PC original game. Why ? I dont keep personal stuff on this gaming PC. simple, origin can look all the time and it wont find anything valuable.
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