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[Zannana]

Origin started badly with the whole issue in Germany and the problems it had with the EA customer support so I believe there will be a lot of people very distrusting of it, me included.

I want to buy a physical edition of the game and play it and I do not want it to have an online component that I cant switch on and off and be fully aware of what it is doing in my PC. I am not that proficient with computers to be able to detect every little thing it may or may not do, so I do not want it anywhere near me, the same goes for Steam.

It would be nice if the different companies heard their clients (us) and stopped forcing such things on us, because it is quite possible they would loose some of us and that means loosing their profits. In the end that is what they care about and that is what I hope they will think before forcing Origin on us.

[Aquem1n1]

EA is not just a simple distributor but at the same time they do make games and publish these games. Besides this, they own numerous publisher out there.

And in this way the possible criple developers can addres their business parnter called EA and demand them to act. But I read here that you guys think it useless and that is more like David vs Goliath.

No problem for me really. It will save me lots of money on the long run and I play the same games you guys play. If only EA made some better business chooses. Games that not origin exlcusief will get their hard earn buck.

[abaris]

Zannana wrote...

It would be nice if the different companies heard their clients (us) and stopped forcing such things on us, because it is quite possible they would loose some of us and that means loosing their profits. In the end that is what they care about and that is what I hope they will think before forcing Origin on us.

Yet there are many who don't even ask that kind of question. They post their party pictures on facebook and don't have second thoughts about the degree of damage that could do in their future careers.

Most people don't even read a TOS, clicking it away inpatiently to continue with whatever they want to install. The real test comes up when some teen is installing it on daddy's rig without asking his permission. That's the point where no TOS in the world can save them.

[Shepard Wins]

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

After ME3 I'm done with EA, I'm not even going to give them the chance at redemption, they are past that now.

[jamesp81]

IsaacShep wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

I thought it was already established that the Origin program will be needed to play ME3...

It ain't over till it's over. We're fighting till the very end! Hope dies last!!!

No.   EA's sales die last.

[Hedera]

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

To my knowledge, it doesn't scan for pirated games.  It scans certain specific areas on your hard drive, like program files and documents for executable files.  This is presumably to find games it can add to its library, which I can attest to, as Origin added TS3 to itself when I installed it.  Other than that, it figures out your system's specs and sends data about that back to EA so they can get a better grasp on their client base.  (And steal your credit card and tax information to sell to hackers lawl)
This is the same thing steam does, except steam has an opt-out option in its settings.  Other than that, it doesn't do anything else to your files.  
Of course, I'm going to get torn a new one because the EULA says they can scan anything on your computer and send whatever they want back to themselves, but I prefer knowing what it actually does, not what it could do if EA suddenly didn't care about lawsuits.

[jamesp81]

outlaw1109 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

EA is only a publisher.  They don't make the games. 

Not remotely true.  They own a number of development studios outright.  Many of them even have "EA" right in the name.

I stand corrected, however, my point was more or less that to stop buying EA games/Origin games would be to stop buying games from the likes of Bioware, Dice, Mythic, Visceral (spelling?) etc.

While it was ultimately their decision to become a part of EA, it still means that you're missing out on a lot of good games...

I think I'll live.

[jamesp81]

cgrimm54 wrote...

At his point, it has become quite clear to me that Origin is going to be a big issue. Regardless of what it actually does, whether they change the EULA or not, and even if they, you know, start handing out free games. (Like they did to BF3 pre-orders) A lot of people are simply going to hate it for what they think it is. I wasn't gaming on my PC back when Steam rose to its current place, but I do believe this same sort of thing happened then, too. As much as I think Origin was incredibly poorly timed, the fact that some games require it just makes me think of games like Skyrim, Deus Ex HR, Fallout NV, Saints Row 3, and MW3, which require Steam to run. Heck, if you buy a hard copy you have to run a basic cmd prompt to install it from disc instead of digitally. Origin, for all its failings, is essentially the only comparable competitor Steam has ever seen, and this may end up paying off for us, the consumers, in the future. And, yes, I know about D2D. They sell downloads from within a browser-based store, some of which require Steam or Origin anyway. This is, like it or not, what the current game market is moving towards, and a few thousand people dragging their feet isn't going to change anything.

Yes, it did.  And when it happened, Valve got their **** together and fixed the problem.

[jamesp81]

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

It has the capability to scan your entire hard drive, and the TOS you agree to when installing it permits this.  Anything it collects will be stored on a remote server somewhere, where it is liable to be stolen by hackers.  And make no mistake, if the US military and Stratfor can get hacked, anyone can.  It's only a matter of time.

It's also a principles issue.  EA doesn't need to know what websites I browse or my buying habits.  That is none of their mother ****ing business.

[shepskisaac]

Interesting. On Reckoning site (both Forum FAQ & website) it says Origin won't be mandatory for either Reckoning or ME3 demo. From what I've heard the full Reckoning game also won't use Origin so here's hoping it will be the same for ME3.

[MadLaughter]

Maybe if Bioware just answered our questions then this topic wouldn't sit around for piracy talk to begin. But they won't, because they know we won't like the answers.

[Shepard Wins]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

To my knowledge, it doesn't scan for pirated games.  It scans certain specific areas on your hard drive, like program files and documents for executable files.  This is presumably to find games it can add to its library, which I can attest to, as Origin added TS3 to itself when I installed it.  Other than that, it figures out your system's specs and sends data about that back to EA so they can get a better grasp on their client base.  (And steal your credit card and tax information to sell to hackers lawl)
This is the same thing steam does, except steam has an opt-out option in its settings.  Other than that, it doesn't do anything else to your files.  
Of course, I'm going to get torn a new one because the EULA says they can scan anything on your computer and send whatever they want back to themselves, but I prefer knowing what it actually does, not what it could do if EA suddenly didn't care about lawsuits.

Thanks for the quick answer!

So... Would it help if one installs Origin (f.e. in order to play ME3) on a freshly-installed operating system (so there is nothing to find there except maybe for the system specs)? Or simply runs Origin in a sandbox?

[wolfsite]

Shepard Wins wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

To my knowledge, it doesn't scan for pirated games.  It scans certain specific areas on your hard drive, like program files and documents for executable files.  This is presumably to find games it can add to its library, which I can attest to, as Origin added TS3 to itself when I installed it.  Other than that, it figures out your system's specs and sends data about that back to EA so they can get a better grasp on their client base.  (And steal your credit card and tax information to sell to hackers lawl)
This is the same thing steam does, except steam has an opt-out option in its settings.  Other than that, it doesn't do anything else to your files.  
Of course, I'm going to get torn a new one because the EULA says they can scan anything on your computer and send whatever they want back to themselves, but I prefer knowing what it actually does, not what it could do if EA suddenly didn't care about lawsuits.

Thanks for the quick answer!

So... Would it help if one installs Origin (f.e. in order to play ME3) on a freshly-installed operating system (so there is nothing to find there except maybe for the system specs)? Or simply runs Origin in a sandbox?

You can run Origin on a fresh PC fine.  I have been running Origin for a while now and have had no problems.  I did run a process monitoring program to see if peoples concerns were true or not but all it does is check Origin related directories, nothing else.  It's just like Steam in this regard.

[DownyTif]

wolfsite wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'm sorry if this has been already asked here, but can anyone tell me what does Origin do, concerning privacy?

I mean it as a sincere question and not a statement of "come on it isn't that bad" sorts. The only thing that I've managed to get to know is that it scans for pirated games/software. What else?

To my knowledge, it doesn't scan for pirated games.  It scans certain specific areas on your hard drive, like program files and documents for executable files.  This is presumably to find games it can add to its library, which I can attest to, as Origin added TS3 to itself when I installed it.  Other than that, it figures out your system's specs and sends data about that back to EA so they can get a better grasp on their client base.  (And steal your credit card and tax information to sell to hackers lawl)
This is the same thing steam does, except steam has an opt-out option in its settings.  Other than that, it doesn't do anything else to your files.  
Of course, I'm going to get torn a new one because the EULA says they can scan anything on your computer and send whatever they want back to themselves, but I prefer knowing what it actually does, not what it could do if EA suddenly didn't care about lawsuits.

Thanks for the quick answer!

So... Would it help if one installs Origin (f.e. in order to play ME3) on a freshly-installed operating system (so there is nothing to find there except maybe for the system specs)? Or simply runs Origin in a sandbox?

You can run Origin on a fresh PC fine.  I have been running Origin for a while now and have had no problems.  I did run a process monitoring program to see if peoples concerns were true or not but all it does is check Origin related directories, nothing else.  It's just like Steam in this regard.

Maybe it changed, but the last time I checked on the web Origin was reported to scan every damn thing in the Application Data folder (if I recall), stuff really not related to Origin. Did they finally understand the critics?

[billy the squid]

Apparantly they have updated the scanning protocols and EULA after the debacle in Europe. One of my major gripes was the half arsed release of Origin, it seemed almost incomplete and had to be fixed and the EULA redrafted.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's please tone down the swearing.

Some inappropriate content removed, bans handed out.

[DownyTif]

billy the squid wrote...

Apparantly they have updated the scanning protocols and EULA after the debacle in Europe. One of my major gripes was the half arsed release of Origin, it seemed almost incomplete and had to be fixed and the EULA redrafted.

I still don't want Origin on my computer and I really really don't care about it and won't buy ME3 if it is required, but I'm relieved that the consumers won a little fight against that giant. Thanks for the info!

[Dovahzaan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please tone down the swearing.
Some inappropriate content removed, bans handed out.

I guess all the swearing and inappropriate content would stop, if you just answered a simple question. Well, at least in this thread.

[Darthsam]

By making a Steam version ME3 they can easily double the PC sales if not triple(by last month Steam already dominates 70% of all PC digital sales), but i guess Bioware willing to sacrifice games' sale in order to push EA's own digital distribution platform, remember back in 2007 when BW promised to the fans? So much for "being independent and not becoming EA's little ****", eh?

[Atakuma]

Darthsam wrote...

By making a Steam version ME3 they can easily double the PC sales if not triple(by last month Steam already dominates 70% of all PC digital sales), but i guess Bioware willing to sacrifice games' sale in order to push EA's own digital distribution platform, remember back in 2007 when BW promised to the fans? So much for "being independent and not becoming EA's little ****", eh?

Bioware is owned by EA, they don't have a choice in the matter.

[aridor1570]

IsaacShep wrote...

Interesting. On Reckoning site (both Forum FAQ & website) it says Origin won't be mandatory for either Reckoning or ME3 demo. From what I've heard the full Reckoning game also won't use Origin so here's hoping it will be the same for ME3.

I've already mentioned that a few pages ago, some think it's a lie and they will force you to use Origin for the demos, lol.

[shepskisaac]

aridor1570 wrote...

I've already mentioned that a few pages ago, some think it's a lie and they will force you to use Origin for the demos, lol.

Ohh sorry, missed it. Dunno why would anyone think it's a lie, this is from official Reckoning website and forums, posted by their answer to Chris Priestly Community Manager

[abaris]

cgrimm54 wrote...

This is the same thing steam does, except steam has an opt-out option in its settings.

That's kind of the operative word here: Opt-out.

I don't think it would be that much of an issue if that opt-out option would make it into Origin.

[didymos1120]

Dovahzaan wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please tone down the swearing.
Some inappropriate content removed, bans handed out.

I guess all the swearing and inappropriate content would stop, if you just answered a simple question. Well, at least in this thread.

The mods can only talk about what they're allowed to talk about.  Berating them is pointless.