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[Lunatic LK47]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dovahzaan wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please tone down the swearing.
Some inappropriate content removed, bans handed out.

I guess all the swearing and inappropriate content would stop, if you just answered a simple question. Well, at least in this thread.

The mods can only talk about what they're allowed to talk about.  Berating them is pointless.

Depends on how the mods handle the situation. I'm not surprised with the recent conduct.

[outlaw1109]

jamesp81 wrote...


I think I'll live.

And that's your choice, but I'm not missing out on games I want to play because Origin might data mine some useless crap on my PC.

I have nothing to hide or get upset about if EA sees it...I might be ashamed if they ask about it, but that's something else...

(thinking about it, they already have my CC info b/c I bought ME1 and 2 from the EA store, and that's the only real information I care about...)

[anzolino]

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm praying the lack of answer is because BioWare is/was fighting with EA to NOT have Origin be mandatory in ME3

+1 for "is fighting"

[Dragoonlordz]

outlaw1109 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


I think I'll live.

And that's your choice, but I'm not missing out on games I want to play because Origin might data mine some useless crap on my PC.

I have nothing to hide or get upset about if EA sees it...I might be ashamed if they ask about it, but that's something else...

(thinking about it, they already have my CC info b/c I bought ME1 and 2 from the EA store, and that's the only real information I care about...)

Agreed.

Bring on ME3 with or without Origin makes bugger all difference to me. In fact already have pre-ordered 3 copies including a CE.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:57 .

[Reofeir]

Dragoon, why do you have three pre-ordered copies of Mass Effect 3 including the CE?

[Dragoonlordz]

Zenor wrote...

Dragoon, why do you have three pre-ordered copies of Mass Effect 3 including the CE?

Not just bought all 3 copies for self, 3 copies for 3 people just one person paying.

1 x CE Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal PC version (This one is for moi)

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 janvier 2012 - 11:03 .

[Feanor_II]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


I think I'll live.

And that's your choice, but I'm not missing out on games I want to play because Origin might data mine some useless crap on my PC.

I have nothing to hide or get upset about if EA sees it...I might be ashamed if they ask about it, but that's something else...

(thinking about it, they already have my CC info b/c I bought ME1 and 2 from the EA store, and that's the only real information I care about...)

Agreed.

Bring on ME3 with or without Origin makes bugger all difference to me. In fact already have pre-ordered 3 copies including a CE.

It's not about if I have anything to hide or not....... It's about an abusive corporate policy and a practice that ethically (and from the point of view of civil rights) it's totally unacceptable.

[mcneil_1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Dragoon, why do you have three pre-ordered copies of Mass Effect 3 including the CE?

Not just bought all 3 copies for self, 3 copies for 3 people just one person paying.

1 x CE Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal PC version (This one is for moi)

Almost the same here, although in my case its two N7 Retail PC editions (one for myself and the other one for an rpg/anime friend) and one N7 360 version for my cousin (a grand total of around $400nz all up for the three (but at least they are paying me back))

Modifié par mcneil_1, 12 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[Dragoonlordz]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Dragoon, why do you have three pre-ordered copies of Mass Effect 3 including the CE?

Not just bought all 3 copies for self, 3 copies for 3 people just one person paying.

1 x CE Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal PC version (This one is for moi)

Almost the same here, although in my case its two N7 Retail PC editions (one for myself and the other one for an rpg/anime friend) and one N7 360 version for my cousin (nearly a grand total of $400nz all up for the three (but at least they are paying me back))

lol or so they say... 

[mcneil_1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mcneil_1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Dragoon, why do you have three pre-ordered copies of Mass Effect 3 including the CE?

Not just bought all 3 copies for self, 3 copies for 3 people just one person paying.

1 x CE Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal Xbox 360 version

1 x Normal PC version (This one is for moi)

Almost the same here, although in my case its two N7 Retail PC editions (one for myself and the other one for an rpg/anime friend) and one N7 360 version for my cousin (nearly a grand total of $400nz all up for the three (but at least they are paying me back))

lol or so they say... 

At least I know where they live if they decide to be a bit 

[magic space chicken]

any news on origin?

[mcneil_1]

magic space chicken wrote...

any news on origin?

Nope, its still silent on that front (I wonder if Chris has found Casey who went to find out the info about it back in October )

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


I think I'll live.

And that's your choice, but I'm not missing out on games I want to play because Origin might data mine some useless crap on my PC.

I have nothing to hide or get upset about if EA sees it...I might be ashamed if they ask about it, but that's something else...

(thinking about it, they already have my CC info b/c I bought ME1 and 2 from the EA store, and that's the only real information I care about...)

Agreed.

Bring on ME3 with or without Origin makes bugger all difference to me. In fact already have pre-ordered 3 copies including a CE.

If you think it matters what data EA is collecting then you are missing the entire reason people are upset.

For a couple moments of fleeting entertainment this company feels it is entitled to infringe on our privacy. For what?  I say it is inconsequential. They are a video game company wanting so flippantly access to their customers private information and they are willing to restrict access to previously sold goods in order to extort cooperation. 

I realize this is a product being sold worldwide but in the United States our Supreme Court has repeatedly held the right to privacy as a fundamental liberty.  Which is not to suggest other countries treat privacy with less regard, I'm simply not equipped to call upon every other countries legal precedents so immediately.

This isn't the police asking phone companies for GPS info without a warrant to find missing people that may be in danger. This isn't a government agency trying to prevent an act of violence or find a dangerous criminal.  This is simply a company wanting to look at our private information to increase their profits next fiscal quarter.

If you tell yourself it doesn't matter because you have nothing to hide you have betrayed yourself.  If you still want to play the game that is fine, but don't think for one second that this is about wanting to hide anything.  It's about being offended that rights others have died to secure are cast aside so arrogantly by those who simply want a higher profit margin.

[Dragoonlordz]

chance52 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

And that's your choice, but I'm not missing out on games I want to play because Origin might data mine some useless crap on my PC.

I have nothing to hide or get upset about if EA sees it...I might be ashamed if they ask about it, but that's something else...

(thinking about it, they already have my CC info b/c I bought ME1 and 2 from the EA store, and that's the only real information I care about...)

Agreed.

Bring on ME3 with or without Origin makes bugger all difference to me. In fact already have pre-ordered 3 copies including a CE.

If you think it matters what data EA is collecting then you are missing the entire reason people are upset.

For a couple moments of fleeting entertainment this company feels it is entitled to infringe on our privacy. For what?  I say it is inconsequential. They are a video game company wanting so flippantly access to their customers private information and they are willing to restrict access to previously sold goods in order to extort cooperation. 

If you tell yourself it doesn't matter because you have nothing to hide you have betrayed yourself.  If you still want to play the game that is fine, but don't think for one second that this is about wanting to hide anything.  It's about being offended that rights others have died to secure are cast aside so arrogantly by those who simply want a higher profit margin.

I really don't care what you (or anyone) thinks about what my opinion is on this or any subject to be honest. No-one is going to convince me to jump on some bandwagon here and I merely stated my position on the subject. I'm surprised about how low you have gone with your response though... People never went to war or died so you would not have to install a peice of software on your computer or have irrelevant information about what you have installed and what you play or look at sent over the internet to a company you have bought products from. That has to be one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen.

If you honestly think that.. Then you need to think long and hard about the circumstances of every single war from actions and consequences leading up to and after each. Even the latest war in the middle east it wasn't about your privacy or right to privacy; part one of it was about killing the people who killed some of your own plus killing them in order to stop them from killing more of your own in future which was about revenge and protection of other citizens lives not rights (Afganistan Part) ~ part two was for oil which was (Iraq Part) as well as this is just also my opinion I believe Bush junior wanted to do what his father could not and the rest is political propaganda. Your last sentence was the biggest grasp at a pure fiction straw I have ever seen on the internet and I have been on it for decades. No war has ever been fought with mass loss of life about privacy or who has access to your information on your computer.

The jibe about higher profit margin is just as stupid as far as I am concerned, a higher profit margin allows a company to grow and as that company grows it can afford to hire more people. These people then have jobs and those jobs keeps their families fed and clothed with roofs over their heads. Again this is my opinion and being honest I don't really give a flying <insert expletive here> what others think. I have no problems in people being offended by my veiws and what offends one person might not offend another plus I do not live my life for for the sole purpose of pleasing yourself or anyone else so I have no need in justifying my views to anyone unless I feel like it.

Life is way too short for me to throw some hissy fit at some company peeking at my files and it is the same with DRM in that a slight inconvenience is not going to either have me on the floor bawling my eyes out or throwing my toys out the pram. By all means they are free to look at my files, I really couldn'[t give rats arse to be quite frank and brutal about it. The only thing I wish to keep secure is my bank and card details ~of which EA already has with my permission on their system from when I bought products from them.

Don't like my view then feel free to cry me a river. But I neither betrayed myself or buy into your excuse of people died for your privacy nonsense.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 janvier 2012 - 01:42 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I think its sad EA won't change their policy

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I'm surprised about how low you have gone with your response though... People never went to war or died so you would not have to install a peice of software on your computer or have irrelevant information about what you have installed and what you play or look at sent over the internet to a company you have bought products from. That has to be one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen.

If you honestly think that.. Then you need to think long and hard about the circumstances of every single war from actions and consequences leading up to and after each...

No war has ever been fought with mass loss of life about privacy or who has access to your information on your computer.

*Snip*

Many, many conflicts, wars and uprisings have been based around personal liberty. To say that I am protected from being forced to house the kings soldiers and only that takes a look at those conflicts a bit too shortsightedly. Freedom and liberty are not defined by a single circumstance.

Honestly you feel like a quick peek at your pc specs and program use is no big deal and that is your freedom to do so, you absolutely don't have to agree with me but don't insult me by saying that I feel a war was fought over a piece of gaming software. That disrespects the discussion on a level that is not only grossly misinterpreting my point but will get this entire thread locked.

[Dragoonlordz]

chance52 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I'm surprised about how low you have gone with your response though... People never went to war or died so you would not have to install a peice of software on your computer or have irrelevant information about what you have installed and what you play or look at sent over the internet to a company you have bought products from. That has to be one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen.

If you honestly think that.. Then you need to think long and hard about the circumstances of every single war from actions and consequences leading up to and after each...

No war has ever been fought with mass loss of life about privacy or who has access to your information on your computer.

*Snip*

Many, many conflicts, wars and uprisings have been based around personal liberty. To say that I am protected from being forced to house the kings soldiers and only that takes a look at those conflicts a bit too shortsightedly. Freedom and liberty are not defined by a single circumstance.

Honestly you feel like a quick peek at your pc specs and program use is no big deal and that is your freedom to do so, you absolutely don't have to agree with me but don't insult me by saying that I feel a war was fought over a piece of gaming software. That disrespects the discussion on a level that is not only grossly misinterpreting my point but will get this entire thread locked.

If don't want the thread locked then I suggest you stop talking out your derriere and where you snipped is the part in which I explained why you are talking out your rear end plus grasping at the smallest straws I have ever seen before.

I find it amusing when you say the issue of someone looking at my PC is no big deal. Just after you spouted nonsense in a way that came across from you as the biggest deal in the world such as borderline blasphemy level attack on your rights.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If don't want the thread locked then I suggest you stop talking out your derriere and where you snipped is the part in which I explained why you are talking out your rear end.

Yes I thought the point you were trying to make is what I would reply to as opposed to your personal insult.

Tell me honestly how you feel about what is ok for a company to do with the products it has already sold you?  In this circumstance a game you may have bought prior to the ToS coming out that allowed that company to look at your personal information. Because what EA did was prevent people from accessing their goods that had been purchased months and months before they decided they have the right to look at your information.

They invited themselves into their customers property and the customers options were to say 'no' and quit the game they wanted to play and had already paid for or to allow that company access to information that had zero to do with their video game service.

How is that not infringing on personal liberties?  Honestly, if you have a response not peppered with insults I would love to know. And if you absolutely have to insult me as you make your point I just ask you PM me instead because while I am a big boy and can take it, I'd rather Chris or Woo not shut down this thread before real answers from the company are delivered.

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Honestly you feel like a quick peek at your pc specs and program use is no big deal and that is your freedom to do so, you absolutely don't have to agree with me but don't insult me by saying that I feel a war was fought over a piece of gaming software. That disrespects the discussion on a level that is not only grossly misinterpreting my point but will get this entire thread locked.

I find it amusing when you say the issue of someone looking at my PC is no big deal. Just after you spouted nonsense in a way that came across from you as the biggest deal in the world such as borderline blasphemy level attack on your rights.

I wrote "you feel"it was no big deal, not "I feel"

[Dragoonlordz]

chance52 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If don't want the thread locked then I suggest you stop talking out your derriere and where you snipped is the part in which I explained why you are talking out your rear end.

Yes I thought the point you were trying to make is what I would reply to as opposed to your personal insult.

Tell me honestly how you feel about what is ok for a company to do with the products it has already sold you?  In this circumstance a game you may have bought prior to the ToS coming out that allowed that company to look at your personal information. Because what EA did was prevent people from accessing their goods that had been purchased months and months before they decided they have the right to look at your information.

They invited themselves into their customers property and the customers options were to say 'no' and quit the game they wanted to play and had already paid for or to allow that company access to information that had zero to do with their video game service.

How is that not infringing on personal liberties?  Honestly, if you have a response not peppered with insults I would love to know. And if you absolutely have to insult me as you make your point I just ask you PM me instead because while I am a big boy and can take it, I'd rather Chris or Woo not shut down this thread before real answers from the company are delivered.

If you do not like a company or what they do then don't buy from them. Origin is not required to play games you have already bought which never came with Origin just like I do not need to run Origin to play ME2 or use the DLC which have already bought from XBL or PSN and downloaded or have on retail copy already such as GOTY versions. EA has the right to block someone from their online account on their servers and rightly so.

Your freedom is a choice of who to buy from and what to buy, if your offended by a company then don't buy from them and move on with your life. If your so offended that you proclaim this is an offense to everyone who dies in a war then leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out and go on with your life not supporting the company you seem to hate so much.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:07 .

[Stanley Woo]

And at this point, I would like to encourage Dragoonlordz and chance52 to continue their spat in PM. Thank you.

[Dragoonlordz]

Don't worry Woo, I have no intention of continuing his propaganda campaign by way of anymore bickering in which I tried to explain the difference between reality and ideological fantasy. So I have said my piece and stated my opinion in my first post I am happy to just leave it at that. Just like how I consider Origin to be irrelevant to my personal gaming experience, I also consider any further ****** for tat with him to be of equal unimportance.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:23 .

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you do not like a company or what they do then don't buy from them. Origin is not required to play games you have already bought which never came with Origin just like I do not need to run Origin to play ME2 or use the DLC which have already bought from XBL or PSN and downloaded or have on retail copy already such as GOTY versions. EA has the right to block someone from their online account on their servers and rightly so. Your freedom is a choice of who to buy from and what to buy, if your offended by a company then don't buy from them and move on with your life. If your so offended that you proclaim this is an offront to everyone who dies in a war then leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out and go on with your life not supporting the company you seem to hate so much.

I agree that when it comes to all games released by EA now and in the future that if someone has an issue with a service that they should be able to leave without incident. No one forces any of us to buy a product that we might not like in part or as a whole.

But I bought games that require an account to activate DLC that I paid for while Origin was still EADM.  When my products wouldn't activate until I clicked agree, even when they had previously been activated mind you, I was prevented from using goods that had been paid for months in advance and it wasn't just me.

If that Origin ToS only meant I would no longer be able to buy and activate new DLC you would have a point, but that simply wasn't the case.  DA:O and ME2 both deactivated every bit of DLC after the Origin update became mandatory for me and it was a 'yes' or 'do without what I paid for' situation.  All of this was past tense, not present and future.

[chance52]

Stanley Woo wrote...

And at this point, I would like to encourage Dragoonlordz and chance52 to continue their spat in PM. Thank you.

Sorry I didn't see this until after my last reply.  Thank you for the warning.

[Abirn]

The game is less than 2 months from shipping and no announcement has been made. Either they don't know, in which case the game is no where near ready to be released if something as fundamental as origin isn't programmed in yet. Or they are not telling us. which is intentionally deceiving us which should be an insult to every one of their customers.

I'm not sure which option is worse.