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Mister Mida wrote...
Was that ever a question then?Emoking wrote...
Also, I would hate for this thread to be locked. Shall we leave it as Steam and Origin also double as DRM, and that's that?
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
No, I can't. Not as long as the installation of spyware on my computer is a condition of using the product.
Yes, you can. You won't, but that's very much different from can't. Don't confuse where the decision lies.Would you give Oster or LG a key to your residence as a condition of buying a microware?
Depends on the microwave, and how easy it is to change the locks afterwards.
Of course, this is moot because this isn't equivalent to what Origin is doing.Not only is there a privacy and security concern, there's the simple fact that buying the game and installing Origin would be giving my approval and acceptance to EA's scheme, and I simply cannot in good conscience do that.
So don't. But recognize that you chose it, they didn't force you.
They are making a conditional offer for providing service. If you do not like the offer, you are under no obligation to accept it.
Emoking wrote...
Mister Mida wrote...
Emoking wrote...
Also, I would hate for this thread to be locked. Shall we leave it as Steam and Origin also double as DRM, and that's that?
Was that ever a question then?
"Killjoy Cutter wrote...
But for a new game, that I've purchased a
physical copy of, there's simply no need for digital distribution
software to be installed. "
I was pointing out that there was a need.
Emoking wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Plus Sonic Generations on PC uses Steamworks and that was cracked as well, also showed that the DLC promised is in the game already even though they still haven't released it officially.
Sonic was cracked day after release.
I didn't say Steamworks prevented all piracy, I said that it prevented 0 Day piracy (that is, piracy before the game is even released).
Emoking wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
I honestly don't think so. I'm no fan of EA, but they know that if something like that happens again, even if the noise has died down, they'll lose even more sales.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
No it shows your paranoia, in the original reports EA even apologized for this error in the program. The way you are acting it's like you refuse to go outside because you may get hit by a meteor entering our atmosphere.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:58 .
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
No it shows your paranoia, in the original reports EA even apologized for this error in the program. The way you are acting it's like you refuse to go outside because you may get hit by a meteor entering our atmosphere.
No, it isn't. No matter how many times you capitalize, italicize, or underline a hyperbolic, it's still a hyperbolic.Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1) Giving Oster or LG a key to your house is EXACTLY equivalent to what EA wants from you as a condition of installing and playing ME3.
Providing a good is a service. It's one of the most fundamental services there are.2) Software is a product, not a service.
Denial or responsibility doesn't change it. You can, simply because all that is required is a few button presses you are capable of. You won't because it goes against your grain.3) When I say "I can't", I mean I can't. Maybe you can, but I cannot.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
No it shows your paranoia, in the original reports EA even apologized for this error in the program. The way you are acting it's like you refuse to go outside because you may get hit by a meteor entering our atmosphere.
Off topic: Do you know an actual small meteor hit some guys car in NYC? His insurance didn't pay him the damage because his insurance policy didn't include meteors.
Emoking wrote...
As regards Facebook. Well, it's not like they have much competition; Google+ and that's it.
EA though? If they dare cross gamers again, they'll lose so many people to Steam. Again.
Market forces and needing consumers is what'll keep them in check.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.
Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described.
Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature. They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does. It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.
That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down.
No it shows your paranoia, in the original reports EA even apologized for this error in the program. The way you are acting it's like you refuse to go outside because you may get hit by a meteor entering our atmosphere.
Off topic: Do you know an actual small meteor hit some guys car in NYC? His insurance didn't pay him the damage because his insurance policy didn't include meteors.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Off topic: Do you know an actual small meteor hit some guys car in NYC? His insurance didn't pay him the damage because his insurance policy didn't include meteors.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Emoking wrote...
As regards Facebook. Well, it's not like they have much competition; Google+ and that's it.
EA though? If they dare cross gamers again, they'll lose so many people to Steam. Again.
Market forces and needing consumers is what'll keep them in check.
Yes, because market forces have done so much to stop this nonsense from software companies so far... [/sarcasm]
Modifié par Emoking, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1) Giving Oster or LG a key to your house is EXACTLY equivalent to what EA wants from you as a condition of installing and playing ME3.
No, it isn't. No matter how many times you capitalize, italicize, or underline a hyperbolic, it's still a hyperbolic.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
2) Software is a product, not a service.
Providing a good is a service. It's one of the most fundamental services there are.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
3) When I say "I can't", I mean I can't. Maybe you can, but I cannot.
Denial or responsibility doesn't change it. You can, simply because all that is required is a few button presses you are capable of. You won't because it goes against your grain.
Stop confusing an unwillingness to do something with an inability to do it.
Emoking wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Emoking wrote...
As regards Facebook. Well, it's not like they have much competition; Google+ and that's it.
EA though? If they dare cross gamers again, they'll lose so many people to Steam. Again.
Market forces and needing consumers is what'll keep them in check.
Yes, because market forces have done so much to stop this nonsense from software companies so far... [/sarcasm]
Well. *shrugs* Your call. You can believe what you want, and use what you like. There are valid reasons for EA requiring DRM, though it doesn't have to be Origin. However, I don't think you're helping your case when you come across very... paranoid, like you do. But whatever.
Edit: Also, apologies to the mods. Didn't mean to create a whole storm of DRM/piracy talk. :innocent:
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
No, it's providing a good. There's the fundamental difference between a product, and a service.
The product is something you possess, that the provider cannot take away from you. You may have to use it and obtain more later, but it's entirely yours. The service needs to be purchased as long as it's provided and can be withheld by the provider at their whim.
Many in the software industry want to turn their product into a
service, in order to increase their control and create a more constant
revenue stream.
My morral for this story is simple: bad karma.
Emoking wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
No, it's providing a good. There's the fundamental difference between a product, and a service.
The product is something you possess, that the provider cannot take away from you. You may have to use it and obtain more later, but it's entirely yours. The service needs to be purchased as long as it's provided and can be withheld by the provider at their whim.
Many in the software industry want to turn their product into a
service, in order to increase their control and create a more constant
revenue stream.
You've missed the boat on this one. Software has been a service for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia....oftware_licence
http://en.wikipedia....cense_agreement
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Hahah I'm glad you've liked the true story guys
Seriously we need to stop off topic in this thread or Chris will lock another Origin thread, so origin haters will have another reason for their hate.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Hahah I'm glad you've liked the true story guys
Seriously we need to stop off topic in this thread or Chris will lock another Origin thread, so origin haters will have another reason for their hate.
So far, everything discussed on this thread is directly related to the subject of Origin.
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Hahah I'm glad you've liked the true story guys
Seriously we need to stop off topic in this thread or Chris will lock another Origin thread, so origin haters will have another reason for their hate.
So far, everything discussed on this thread is directly related to the subject of Origin.
Re-read the last three pages. Ya we are getting off topic and into propaganda.
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