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[AlanC9]

eyesofastorm wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

Why would you allow EA to know anything?  They have no inherent right to your information.  It's like a vampire... they can't **** with you until you invite them in, but once you do, it's all over.  I mean... this thing is against the law in some countries.  You'd think people wouldn't trivialize it.  

But this information already is not private. In my case, Verizon knows this stuff already.

[Killjoy Cutter]

AlanC9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

How many times must it be said? It may not scan your PC or anything but the Terms of Use are ambiguous, they could easily change them if they wanted.

And what if they did change the terms? Say they do scan all the files on my HD. They'll know that I listen to Death Cab for Cutie and Arcade Fire, that I have iTunes but use a Sony MP3 player rather than an iPod, that I still have Civ2, Master of Magic, and Baldur's Gate 2 installed on my PC, that I've got a Steam client installed but only for The Orange Box games, that I once had DAO and ME1 installed but had to remove them while maintaining my saves (my HD is full), that I use an old, old copy of WordPerfect Office, that I have far less pornography on my PC than the average American male does..... this all adds up to a colossal bore, I'm afraid.

They have no right to that information, and no right to make surrender of that information or access to it a condition of buying their product. 

This is something that several European countries are well ahead of the US on, in terms of law.

(Talking real rights, not "we have a right because the law currently lets us get away with it".)

So what?

I'm looking for a reason to care. 

If you don't care about your privacy and security, who will? 

Do you lock your doors when you're not home? 

[Wardka]

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

The answers to your question are all in this thread, and it's getting more than a little frustrating having to answer them over and over again. The bottom line is that if you're okay with EA having free reign of your computer and data, then fantastic! However, those of us who aren't okay with it aren't really interested in how little you or anyone else care about your own privacy - so please don't try to challenge our stance with only your disinterest as basis. It is really rather rude.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Wardka wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

The answers to your question are all in this thread, and it's getting more than a little frustrating having to answer them over and over again. The bottom line is that if you're okay with EA having free reign of your computer and data, then fantastic! However, those of us who aren't okay with it aren't really interested in how little you or anyone else care about your own privacy - so please don't try to challenge our stance with only your disinterest as basis. It is really rather rude.

^ THIS.

[eyesofastorm]

AlanC9 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

Why would you allow EA to know anything?  They have no inherent right to your information.  It's like a vampire... they can't **** with you until you invite them in, but once you do, it's all over.  I mean... this thing is against the law in some countries.  You'd think people wouldn't trivialize it.  

But this information already is not private. In my case, Verizon knows this stuff already.

It's not the known, but the unknown that you have to worry about.  Origin is a backdoor into your pc.  Even if EA never abuses it, it's an unecessary risk.  Until someone gives me a reason (just one would be a start) in favor of Origin that outweighs all of the negatives and unnecessary risks, I will not, under any circumstance, even consider installing it on my pc.  

[CenturyCrow]

Looks again to the Magic 8 Ball for guidance amidst the turmoil and flying accusations.

Magic 8 Ball: Danger, Will Robinson.

[Relix28]

Wardka wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

The answers to your question are all in this thread, and it's getting more than a little frustrating having to answer them over and over again. The bottom line is that if you're okay with EA having free reign of your computer and data, then fantastic! However, those of us who aren't okay with it aren't really interested in how little you or anyone else care about your own privacy - so please don't try to challenge our stance with only your disinterest as basis. It is really rather rude.

Well said.

[jamesp81]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Only thing id like to say on this issue: Buy Game - Download and Crack It - play it.

Remember, even if you actually purchase the game, and they get their money for their product, EA considers you "in violation" for doing what you just described. 

Oh Killjoy, you need to remove your links in your signature.  They are horrendously out of date in terms of what Origin actually does.   It doesn't help your cause if you keep pushing out dated or down right false information.

That information shows EA's original intent, and what they will eventually try to get away with again once the noise has died down. 

No it shows your paranoia, in the original reports EA even apologized for this error in the program.  The way you are acting it's like you refuse to go outside because you may get hit by a meteor entering our atmosphere.

It wasn't an error.

People cannot be truly this naive about information gathering.  I hope not, anyway

[AlanC9]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So what?

I'm looking for a reason to care. 

If you don't care about your privacy and security, who will? 

Do you lock your doors when you're not home? 

Leaving the doors open could produce an actual harm.

What's the possible harm in letting EA, or anyone and everyone, see exactly which files and programs I have installed? I get that there's something bad that's supposed to be possible, but what, exactly?

[AlanC9]

Wardka wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

anzolino wrote...

You want to tell me, that the Internet Explorer folder is Origin related? This folder will be checked, the history, cache and cookies.

So EA can know what... our ISPs already know?

The answers to your question are all in this thread, and it's getting more than a little frustrating having to answer them over and over again. The bottom line is that if you're okay with EA having free reign of your computer and data, then fantastic! However, those of us who aren't okay with it aren't really interested in how little you or anyone else care about your own privacy - so please don't try to challenge our stance with only your disinterest as basis. It is really rather rude.

Challenge? All I'm doing is asking why I should care.

If there isn't actually a reason beyond that you folks just plain don't like this, that's a perfectly sufficient answer.

[eyesofastorm]

AlanC9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So what?

I'm looking for a reason to care. 

If you don't care about your privacy and security, who will? 

Do you lock your doors when you're not home? 

Leaving the doors open could produce an actual harm.

What's the possible harm in letting EA, or anyone and everyone, see exactly which files and programs I have installed? I get that there's something bad that's supposed to be possible, but what, exactly?

Is that a serious question?  I see there is no point talking to you.  Feel free to go walking off that cliff like a lemming.  If you are fine with it, then great, but there is no need for you to post here to convince the rest of us to follow you.  What are you hoping to accomplish here anyway?  I know what I want out of this thread/topic.  What do you want out of it?

[ttchip]

people generally do not acknowledge the opinion of others if the only thing they are offered is disinterest

Modifié par ttchip, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:22 .

[MarauderESP]

no news yet..... figures!!...... cya guys next week

[Killjoy Cutter]

AlanC9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So what?

I'm looking for a reason to care. 

If you don't care about your privacy and security, who will? 

Do you lock your doors when you're not home? 

Leaving the doors open could produce an actual harm.

What's the possible harm in letting EA, or anyone and everyone, see exactly which files and programs I have installed? I get that there's something bad that's supposed to be possible, but what, exactly?

You're leaving a door open on your computer. 

You use a computer -- educate yourself.

[jamesp81]

AlanC9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So what?

I'm looking for a reason to care. 

If you don't care about your privacy and security, who will? 

Do you lock your doors when you're not home? 

Leaving the doors open could produce an actual harm.

What's the possible harm in letting EA, or anyone and everyone, see exactly which files and programs I have installed? I get that there's something bad that's supposed to be possible, but what, exactly?

You really don't understand what information is stored on your computer, do you?

The next time you open your bank statement and see that someone from half a world away has thieved about $1000 on your credit card, charges you will be liable for, you might understand then.

And no, EA probably wouldn't engage in such an activitiy.  The existence of their backdoor on your system, however, leaves an opening for less scrupulous individuals to gain access and retrieve that data.  They do it to internet explorer all the time, which is known to have security vulnerabilities.

[AlanC9]

eyesofastorm wrote...

It's not the known, but the unknown that you have to worry about.  Origin is a backdoor into your pc.  Even if EA never abuses it, it's an unecessary risk.  Until someone gives me a reason (just one would be a start) in favor of Origin that outweighs all of the negatives and unnecessary risks, I will not, under any circumstance, even consider installing it on my pc.  

So if hackers ever compromise EA so thoroughly that they're able to substitute their own version of Origin for the EA version and then get us all to download their version in an update, they'd have access to our PCs?

OK, I can see that as a possibility. But if they've got that much access to EA, haven't they got the credit card numbers from everyone who ever bought DLC already?

Modifié par AlanC9, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:32 .

[eyesofastorm]

AlanC9 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

It's not the known, but the unknown that you have to worry about.  Origin is a backdoor into your pc.  Even if EA never abuses it, it's an unecessary risk.  Until someone gives me a reason (just one would be a start) in favor of Origin that outweighs all of the negatives and unnecessary risks, I will not, under any circumstance, even consider installing it on my pc.  

So if hackers ever compromise EA so thoroughly that they're able to substitute their own version of Origin for the EA version and then get us all do download it in an update, they'd have access to our PCs?

OK, I can see that as a possibility. But if they've got that much access to EA, haven't they got the credit card numbers from everyone who ever bought DLC already?

It's about more than just your credit card.  A charge to your credit card can be disputed and over-turned.  I'm more concerned about identity theft or having my pc be turned into node in a botnet.  

[anzolino]

AlanC9, it is simple: These are my data and I don't want to give them anyone. I decide the sharing of my data. Not EA, not Steam, not Facebook, not Google, not whoever - even if I don't expect any harm.
Why you wearing clothes and don't running naked out there? (Or do you?) Why do you have a door at your home? Why do you have doors on your cabinet? Do you have something to hide? Do you not want your guests seeing your documents? Even if someone has nothing to hide, he doesn't walk naked through the street, he has curtains on the window, he has the doors locked, he doesn't let his documents on the table. Because there are things only concerning himself. Period.
If you don't care about your things, your privacy, it's fine, it's your decision. But we do care about our privacy and we have a right to care about it.

[AlanC9]

eyesofastorm wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

It's not the known, but the unknown that you have to worry about.  Origin is a backdoor into your pc.  Even if EA never abuses it, it's an unecessary risk.  Until someone gives me a reason (just one would be a start) in favor of Origin that outweighs all of the negatives and unnecessary risks, I will not, under any circumstance, even consider installing it on my pc.  

So if hackers ever compromise EA so thoroughly that they're able to substitute their own version of Origin for the EA version and then get us all do download it in an update, they'd have access to our PCs?

OK, I can see that as a possibility. But if they've got that much access to EA, haven't they got the credit card numbers from everyone who ever bought DLC already?

It's about more than just your credit card.  A charge to your credit card can be disputed and over-turned.  I'm more concerned about identity theft or having my pc be turned into node in a botnet.  

I should have been more specific a couple of posts ago. What does Origin's capability of scanning for files actually do to compromize our security? It seems unlikely that the program as written will be pulling out and uploading to EA any data that could result in identity theft. EA itself can't monetize that data, so it's just a waste of bandwidth.

What am I missing?

[AlanC9]

anzolino wrote...

AlanC9, it is simple: These are my data and I don't want to give them anyone. I decide the sharing of my data. Not EA, not Steam, not Facebook, not Google, not whoever - even if I don't expect any harm.
Why you wearing clothes and don't running naked out there? (Or do you?) Why do you have a door at your home? Why do you have doors on your cabinet? Do you have something to hide? Do you not want your guests seeing your documents? Even if someone has nothing to hide, he doesn't walk naked through the street, he has curtains on the window, he has the doors locked, he doesn't let his documents on the table. Because there are things only concerning himself. Period.
If you don't care about your things, your privacy, it's fine, it's your decision. But we do care about our privacy and we have a right to care about it.

Thanks.

I have no disagreement at all with this; I'm not telling you not to care as long as you're not telling me to care without giving me a reason to care.

[anzolino]

AlanC9 wrote...
I should have been more specific a couple of posts ago. What does Origin's capability of scanning for files actually do to compromize our security? It seems unlikely that the program as written will be pulling out and uploading to EA any data that could result in identity theft. EA itself can't monetize that data, so it's just a waste of bandwidth.

What am I missing?

2 points: you have to open the firewall and you don't know which data will be transferred, because it's encrypted.
I'm a single player. Why should I open the firewall for a game that I'm playing offline?

[Zannana]

AlanC9 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

It's not the known, but the unknown that you have to worry about.  Origin is a backdoor into your pc.  Even if EA never abuses it, it's an unecessary risk.  Until someone gives me a reason (just one would be a start) in favor of Origin that outweighs all of the negatives and unnecessary risks, I will not, under any circumstance, even consider installing it on my pc.  

So if hackers ever compromise EA so thoroughly that they're able to substitute their own version of Origin for the EA version and then get us all do download it in an update, they'd have access to our PCs?

OK, I can see that as a possibility. But if they've got that much access to EA, haven't they got the credit card numbers from everyone who ever bought DLC already?

It's about more than just your credit card.  A charge to your credit card can be disputed and over-turned.  I'm more concerned about identity theft or having my pc be turned into node in a botnet.  

I should have been more specific a couple of posts ago. What does Origin's capability of scanning for files actually do to compromize our security? It seems unlikely that the program as written will be pulling out and uploading to EA any data that could result in identity theft. EA itself can't monetize that data, so it's just a waste of bandwidth.

What am I missing?

Like many other companies EA can sell your data if they want to. The point about the Origin program is that it is invasive and can look at data and send them to EA and you cannot know what it sends. It gains access that not even the law-enforcement is entitled normaly.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Maybe we should just go all the way... change the laws so that gathering, buying, trading, and selling information about someone by any non-governmental entity, other than for strictly personal use, would be criminal, both on the level of charges against the company or other group entity, and on the level of felony criminal chargees against individuals. The individual would have to opt-in, in writing, and could not be required to opt-in as a condition of a service or product being provided. The only exception would be information strictly, directly, and clearly necessary to the provision of that product or service.

[eyesofastorm]

AlanC9 wrote...

I should have been more specific a couple of posts ago. What does Origin's capability of scanning for files actually do to compromize our security? It seems unlikely that the program as written will be pulling out and uploading to EA any data that could result in identity theft. EA itself can't monetize that data, so it's just a waste of bandwidth.

What am I missing?

You miss the point over and over again quite purposefully I suspect.  Feel free to run off that cliff like a lemming if you like.  

[anzolino]

AlanC9 wrote...
Thanks.

I have no disagreement at all with this; I'm not telling you not to care as long as you're not telling me to care without giving me a reason to care.

At the end it's always your own decision. Someone doesn't care, the other one does. Someone decides to share the data, the other one doesn't. Someone has a FB account, the other one hasn't. And so on.
But all these decisions are voluntary. You know? You can decide what you want to share. But now, they decide for you. They say: If you don't give us your data, you cannot play. That isn't voluntary. Ok, now we can say: We won't buy the game, we won't play the game. But most of us are BW gamer since years, we want to buy the game and we want to play the game. But not to this conditions.
In addition to this, here in Europe the data protection law has more restrictives than in other regions and EA has to respect it. They simply cannot do what they want.