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[craigdolphin]

I understand how many of us find it...incomprehensible...that the decisions about Origin/DRM have not been made months in advance. It seems absurd that something with so much potential to screw up sales on such a high-investment product could be left to the last minute.

But, and while I would love nothing better than to find some magic turn-of-phrase that would convince Bioware to release the fracking information already, it IS possible that this has not been decided yet.

I spent a fair bit of time interacting with (and interviewing) a DRM vendor that I met at the FTC town-hall meeting on DRM. He told me that it was extremely common for such publishing decisions to be almost-complete afterthoughts at many companies.

Apparently, there used to be (circa 2005) a form that got filled out when developers submitted gold-disks for optical-disk reproduction that had a check box that specified to use SecuROM, or SafeDisc, or no copy protection. According to this guy, for some publishers, that was the first point in the process where the person-in-charge would actually consider the question.

I'm sure that this must no longer be the case (ie., the form), but the idea that important publishing decisions should be made in a thoughtful, timely, and considered fashion is wishful thinking in some cases. Which sucks because we are the ones who are adversely impacted. CEO's have a very specific skillset and, unfortunately, long term thinking and ensuring high levels of customer satisfaction are about the lowest things in their priority list.

All that said, it is quite possible that Bioware know the score already and are withholding the information because they fear the storm to come. Or, they might actually not have a clue just yet. Either way though, it is a poor reflection on their corporate ethos that they cannot provide timely advice on their product while trying to drum-up preorders using time-limited-content-inducements to tempt people to go ahead before knowing the full situation.

[shepskisaac]

MadLaughter wrote...

Maybe if the community managers acted like envoys from the community instead of hiding things so their company looked pristine, this thread would be answered and talk of piracy or conspiracy theories wouldn't be so common.

The decision is not theirs to reveal it one way or another. Their hands are tied. At this point it is clear however they were specifically told not to say anothing about Origin. Here's hoping it's because BioWare's still finishing the deal with EA to NOT have Origin in ME3

And quoting the poll for new page:

eyesofastorm wrote...

I would direct you to Weskerr's excellent poll:

social.bioware.com/526111/polls/27782/

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 janvier 2012 - 10:53 .

[Weskerr]

My thread was locked so I'll post the poll here. The question is "Will you buy Mass Effect 3 if Origin is Required to Play it?"

Edit: Sorry I didn't see Isaac's post above mine when I posted this.

Modifié par Weskerr, 12 janvier 2012 - 11:22 .

[EternalPink]

Was hoping for some news by now but after clicking on bioware icon still nothing offical other than some behave warnings

[Lux]

When I had Origin installed, it originally directed me to their store in Hong Kong (I'm in China) and the prices there were quite attractive. After an update, it diligently sent me to an "international" site where the prices are all in overpriced Euros and (fortunately?) my money isn't accepted.

It would also go to offline mode whenever I'd run my VPN (which is a necessity to use where I'm at) - that was an odd occurrence but soon to be understood when their EULA got exposed since it scans your hard disk for a reason.

No overbearing and useless software on my computer, thanks.

[Bogsnot1]

jamesp81 wrote...
People cannot be truly this naive about information gathering.  I hope not, anyway

There are at least 800 million people who are that naive.

[hangmans tree]

I think they wait for something torelease the news/decide... but for what?
Is it some legal procedures or problems - lets say they're checking with EU/german law to see if they can pass with current EULA?
Anyone here knows what was the outcome/decisions made after the BF3-origin summit in Germany? Could this affect our situation with ME3?
Just wondering.
If the info is withheld on purpose I'd be greatly dissapointed. BW would lose A LOT in my eyes.
(I'm not sure the above statement is gramatically correct, sorry )

edit: typos.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:12 .

[Koremark]

Been a Fan of Bioware since Shatter steel days.
For me Mass effect 3 is the last Great Hope.
Going to have to wait and see on this Origin program.
Need alot more solid facts and information on it and how it works.

Have heard of Steam and will not ever have it on my private computers.

[tishyw]

So, has Origin change at all since the bruhaha in Germany after BF3, or will it still rummage through the pants drawer of my computer and show my unmentionables to everyone?

[kofelover]

tishyw wrote...

So, has Origin change at all since the bruhaha in Germany after BF3, or will it still rummage through the pants drawer of my computer and show my unmentionables to everyone?

Some say that it does not scan your entire PC now, however, the EULA you accept still gives them the right to do so at any time. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

kofelover wrote...

tishyw wrote...

So, has Origin change at all since the bruhaha in Germany after BF3, or will it still rummage through the pants drawer of my computer and show my unmentionables to everyone?

Some say that it does not scan your entire PC now, however, the EULA you accept still gives them the right to do so at any time.

And if anyone doesn't understand why that's a show-stopper... there's nothing to stop EA from simply changing the terms on Origin at any time, and if you've already purchased your game, you're either out the money or have to bend over for the new terms.

[Ghost-621]

I'm not naive enough to believe that Bioware is fighting the "Evil tyrannical EA leaders for us!" No, it's a douche-marketing-move. Plain and simple.

They're being quiet about it because they're trying to keep as many pre-orders and sales as they can.

I'm honestly shocked that I haven't been banned after the previous things I've said here, hmph. Maybe somebody in there has seen that I in fact, am not a bigot, but a fan and customer who is extremely dissatisfied with Bioware's treatment of the ones who've been loyal to them since the start.

Then again, I'm not that naive.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:55 .

[Raygereio]

craigdolphin wrote...
It seems absurd that something with so much potential to screw up sales on such a high-investment product could be left to the last minute

You never had to deal with corporate culture before, have you? Trust me, once you get to the decision-making-levels of corprate culture, you'll find yourself neckdeep in a sea of tears of lost hope in which little balls of insane troll logic and little toddlers blowing raspberries float about. Common sense does not enter there.

Actually the problem is that in pretty much all cases the people with the power to make decisions just "don't get it". Treating your customers well and not dumping crap on them ought to be a really simple concept. But it has become an utterly alien concept to those people. I don't even mean that they've never played a game before, it's that they are detached from the market. They don't think in terms of  "How can I convince people to buy my stuff" and  "How can I convince people to come back to my store", like a guy running his own store would. But instead in terms of forcing demographics of people to buy their stuff, how they can excert more control and "how can we make lot's of money before the end of the year so that I can earn my bonus".

That said:

craigdolphin wrote...
But, and while I would love nothing better than to find some magic turn-of-phrase that would convince Bioware to release the fracking information already, it IS possible that this has not been decided yet.

No, that's years ago. Mind you, little companies still often treat DRM like that guy you interviewed described, but not the big guys. For them it's something that's been planned for a good long while before release date. Especially when they've got other interests running around, mucking things up. EA wants to see Origin succeed as a competitor to Steam. They're going to push if only for that reason. Not doing so would be admitting the Origin project failed after all, and that is something that's just not allowed in corporate culture.
No, in all likelyhood the decision to use Origin has already been made months ago.

If I were to be an optimist, I'd say the current silence means they're reevaluating things after the rather facepalm-worty introduction of the Origin platform and are discussing just how mandatory they want to make Origin.
But the pessimist realist in me says the silence is a lame and unconvincing attempt from the PR/marketing department to keep things quite and get more pre-orders in, before springing the news about Origin at the last possible moment.
Oh wait. That surely can't be? I mean the EA/Bioware's PR/marketing department must be intelligent, right? Surely they won't insult their (potential) customers with attempts like that?
*looks at their track record*
Oh, they would.

Who knows. Maybe I'll be pleasently surprised and EA/BioWare will come out with a statement that says: "Why yes, Raygereio. We would like your money." But right now I'm doubting that.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[abaris]

Raygereio wrote...

Treating your customers well and not dumping crap on them ought to be a really simple concept. But it has become an utterly alien concept to those people. I don't even mean that they've never played a game before, it's that they are detached from the market.

Because the decision makers aren't invested in their companies anymore. They don't own them, they only look as far as their next bonus. And shortsighted decisions get them there.

As far as Bioware staff not saying yes or no - it's probably not their decision to make. They're down the food chain and the ones answering questions on these boards answer to some higher powers. I wouldn't even say the general silence is directed at the select few posting in this thread. It's directed at the millions not posting, not bothering one way or the other, but being possibly disturbed when learning what's at stake.

[Darman]

Exactly. Bioware belongs to EA so they need to do what the bosses tell them. And I thought it's clear that they're using Origin from now on. Guess what? Use sandboxie and no Origin spyware will be able to see what you don't want to be seen. Works perfectly for me.
This whole Origin thing is the biggest sh*t in games history. Hope one day it will ruin EA.

[Bogsnot1]

^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

[Raygereio]

Bogsnot1 wrote...
^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 janvier 2012 - 11:14 .

[Mister Mida]

The mods here seem to be somewhat selective. They have no problem keeping a suck up thread going here while closing down the threads that discuss way more serious and on topic issues.

Also, since I think it's interesting, check the ME3 page on GamersGate. Notice how it says it uses 'Other DRM'. If Origin were to be required and would work similar as SteamWorks, it would've probably said 'Requires a 3rd party download and account'.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 13 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[Siegdrifa]

Mister Mida wrote...

The mods here seem to be somewhat selective. They have no problem keeping a suck up thread going here while closing down the threads that discuss way more serious and on topic issues.

Also, since I think it's interesting, check the ME3 page on GamersGate. Notice how it says it uses 'Other DRM'. If Origin were to be required and would work similar as SteamWorks, it would've probably said 'Requires a 3rd party download and account'.

May be because nothing is official yet, so "other drm" fit well until it gets clear.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 13 janvier 2012 - 11:37 .

[billy the squid]

Raygereio wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Well it wouldn't be good for EA as it side steps the data collection point, which they want.

But as far as circumventing the client goes. It doesn't change the code in any way, Origin functions exactly as intended. Claiming it is copyright infringement etc. would be similar in scope to other software developers complaining I have placed administrative controls and internet access restrictions on some programs on my computor to prevent them executing certain functions without my permission.

The only thing I could think of is that the EULA is breached by "limiting" Origin in such a way. But, that is nebulous at best, does the term  limitating Origin equate to unrestricted access or does is it equitable to have limits based on privacy.

Seperate files on an external HDD drive would equate to limits by the terms of Origin. So do I breach the terms by not having the HDD installed and not allowing Origin to access it? What If I place administrative controls or any other myriad of legitimate measures which come with operating systems, does it constitute limitations.  

[MDT1]

This is supposed to be a link to the final english  ME3 EULA:
eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Mass+Effect+3_en_10.5.11+FINAL.pdf

Don't know if its old news.

Modifié par MDT1, 13 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[Severyx]

MDT1 wrote...

This is supposed to be a link to the final english  ME3 EULA:
eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Mass+Effect+3_en_10.5.11+FINAL.pdf

Don't know if its old news.

Man, I hate reading EULAs in detail. It's scary stuff. If this is the final version, then the EULA does say that Origin will be required to play, access online content, and soforth.

Modifié par Severyx, 13 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The tone of some of the posts in this thread are getting a little hysterical and conspiracy theorist-y. Let's try and keep the thread related to Mass Effect 3, please.

Do you know how you combat hysteria and conspiricy theories? By posting verifiable facts.

When you explain the technical details behind what the Origin program looks for, what data it actually collects, and what it uploads to Electronic Arts, only then will the furor die. Or, of course, it would rage to a fever pitch if Origin is proven to violate a person's privacy.

[Dovahzaan]

Really? Still no answer?