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[hangmans tree]

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survives any termination of this License.

what...is ... this... I... ?

[abaris]

hangmans tree wrote...

Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the
extent that your contributions through use of the Software give rise to any
copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual,
irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and
license to use your contributions in any way and for any purpose in
connection with the Software and related goods and services including the
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broadcast, transmit, or otherwise communicate to the public by any means
whether now known or unknown and distribute your contributions without
any further notice or compensation to you of any kind for the whole
duration of protection granted to intellectual property rights by applicable
laws and international conventions. You hereby waive any moral rights of
paternity, publication, reputation, or attribution with respect to EA’s and
other players’ use and enjoyment of such assets in connection with the
Software and related goods and services under applicable law. The
license grant to EA, and the above waiver of any applicable moral rights,
survives any termination of this License.

what...is ... this... I... ?

Basically means, you're fair game, once you said yes.

I can't imagine this holds water under EU legislation.

[DanaScu]

hangmans tree wrote...

Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the
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copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual,
irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and
license to use your contributions in any way and for any purpose in
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broadcast, transmit, or otherwise communicate to the public by any means
whether now known or unknown and distribute your contributions without
any further notice or compensation to you of any kind for the whole
duration of protection granted to intellectual property rights by applicable
laws and international conventions. You hereby waive any moral rights of
paternity, publication, reputation, or attribution with respect to EA’s and
other players’ use and enjoyment of such assets in connection with the
Software and related goods and services under applicable law. The
license grant to EA, and the above waiver of any applicable moral rights,
survives any termination of this License.

what...is ... this... I... ?

Basically, if you use their software and create something that can be copyrighted, it belongs to EA, forever and ever. You have no rights to your creation. They can reproduce your creation, copy it, adapt it, display it, and anything else they want to do, in whatever manner they want, without telling you, or paying you. You can't say "I made this".  Even if EA terminates your license/right to use their software, your creation is theirs.

I've dealt with EA "support" before. It made such a lasting impression that I didn't touch an EA tainted game for over 10 years. The only reason I even considered DA:O was because, after the "EA phone home" drm blowup it seemed as though the light dawned about what customers would tolerate, and they changed the drm for it. Now they've gone backwards, and so have I. I won't bother with any game that involves any form of Origin/EA downloader, even if they offer to allow users to opt out of the data mining/marketing. If a game involves using Origin, it is forever in the "won't ever bother with" list for me.

[eyesofastorm]

Subject appropriate poll:

social.bioware.com/526111/polls/27782/ 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Raygereio wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Since someone has already put the kiss of death on this thread, might as well get this out: 

The things they've said as they've closed threads have made it clear that they're going to make it their stated policy to consider Sandbox and similar measures "circumventing copy protection" and therefore subject to thread closings and bans. 

If EA follows through with this all the way, they will likely include anti-sandboxing measures in Origin going forward, and consider anyone who sandboxes Origin to be in violation of the EULA / ToS, and subject to having their Origin account locked, with all the possible results of that.

[eyesofastorm]

They are going overboard with this stuff. I don't think I can consider buying any game from them ever until they reconsider this policy where they are treating their customers like the enemy.

[Xeranx]

DanaScu wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the
extent that your contributions through use of the Software give rise to any
copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual,
irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and
license to use your contributions in any way and for any purpose in
connection with the Software and related goods and services including the
rights to reproduce, copy, adapt, modify, perform, display, publish,
broadcast, transmit, or otherwise communicate to the public by any means
whether now known or unknown and distribute your contributions without
any further notice or compensation to you of any kind for the whole
duration of protection granted to intellectual property rights by applicable
laws and international conventions. You hereby waive any moral rights of
paternity, publication, reputation, or attribution with respect to EA’s and
other players’ use and enjoyment of such assets in connection with the
Software and related goods and services under applicable law. The
license grant to EA, and the above waiver of any applicable moral rights,
survives any termination of this License.

what...is ... this... I... ?

Basically, if you use their software and create something that can be copyrighted, it belongs to EA, forever and ever. You have no rights to your creation. They can reproduce your creation, copy it, adapt it, display it, and anything else they want to do, in whatever manner they want, without telling you, or paying you. You can't say "I made this".  Even if EA terminates your license/right to use their software, your creation is theirs.

I've dealt with EA "support" before. It made such a lasting impression that I didn't touch an EA tainted game for over 10 years. The only reason I even considered DA:O was because, after the "EA phone home" drm blowup it seemed as though the light dawned about what customers would tolerate, and they changed the drm for it. Now they've gone backwards, and so have I. I won't bother with any game that involves any form of Origin/EA downloader, even if they offer to allow users to opt out of the data mining/marketing. If a game involves using Origin, it is forever in the "won't ever bother with" list for me.

That would anger so many Sims modders.  They already don't want people uploading characters and homes with modded stuff to the Sims Exchange.  Then again, I have no love for those who offer mods for "donations" anyway.

[Killjoy Cutter]

billy the squid wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Well it wouldn't be good for EA as it side steps the data collection point, which they want.

But as far as circumventing the client goes. It doesn't change the code in any way, Origin functions exactly as intended. Claiming it is copyright infringement etc. would be similar in scope to other software developers complaining I have placed administrative controls and internet access restrictions on some programs on my computor to prevent them executing certain functions without my permission.

The only thing I could think of is that the EULA is breached by "limiting" Origin in such a way. But, that is nebulous at best, does the term  limitating Origin equate to unrestricted access or does is it equitable to have limits based on privacy.

Seperate files on an external HDD drive would equate to limits by the terms of Origin. So do I breach the terms by not having the HDD installed and not allowing Origin to access it? What If I place administrative controls or any other myriad of legitimate measures which come with operating systems, does it constitute limitations.  

I wonder if they might try to claim violation of DMCA... (abomination of a law that it is).

[Abirn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Since someone has already put the kiss of death on this thread, might as well get this out: 

The things they've said as they've closed threads have made it clear that they're going to make it their stated policy to consider Sandbox and similar measures "circumventing copy protection" and therefore subject to thread closings and bans. 

If EA follows through with this all the way, they will likely include anti-sandboxing measures in Origin going forward, and consider anyone who sandboxes Origin to be in violation of the EULA / ToS, and subject to having their Origin account locked, with all the possible results of that.

Ok just so we get this out of the way, Sandboxing is not illegal in any strech of the imagination.  It is essentially creating a walled garden for origin to run in.  Literally no different than putting it on a virtual machine. 

And copy circumvention is only illegal if you use it to infringe copyright.  Using it for your own private use falls under the legal doctrine of fair use (hint:  it's the same reason you can jailbrake your smartphones)

[Killjoy Cutter]

Abirn wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

^ shush, lest ye anger the gods, and once more we find the thread closed.

Wait what? Are you serious? Talk about sandboxing got a thread closed? Well, that's just silly, bordering on the pathetic.
Here's a heads up for everyone then. This is what sandboxing is:
http://en.wikipedia....puter_security)
You can't use that for piracy (yarr). Period. In fact common sense dictates advertising it would be a good thing for BioWare as it could offer people that don't trust EA and Origin a legitimate alternative to piracy (meaning one where they would still buy the game[/captain obvious]).

Well, no matter what response from the mods that will bring; I'm sure it will be very educational.

Since someone has already put the kiss of death on this thread, might as well get this out: 

The things they've said as they've closed threads have made it clear that they're going to make it their stated policy to consider Sandbox and similar measures "circumventing copy protection" and therefore subject to thread closings and bans. 

If EA follows through with this all the way, they will likely include anti-sandboxing measures in Origin going forward, and consider anyone who sandboxes Origin to be in violation of the EULA / ToS, and subject to having their Origin account locked, with all the possible results of that.

Ok just so we get this out of the way, Sandboxing is not illegal in any strech of the imagination.  It is essentially creating a walled garden for origin to run in.  Literally no different than putting it on a virtual machine. 

And copy circumvention is only illegal if you use it to infringe copyright.  Using it for your own private use falls under the legal doctrine of fair use (hint:  it's the same reason you can jailbrake your smartphones)

You're right. 

The problem is, EA can still treat sandboxing as a bannable/lockable action, and dare users to take them to court and beat them in court.

[CenturyCrow]

hangmans tree wrote...

Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the extent that your contributions through use of the Software give rise to any copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and license to use your...

what...is ... this... I... ?

@Hangman    Can you provide a link to the source of this?

If you're disturbed with the text, it's common to many online sites and services. Check Walmart's Terms and Conditions, if you upload a picture to be printed.

You grant to Walmart Canada Corp. a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, unrestricted, world-wide right and license to access, use, copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, display, perform, communicate to the public, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, and otherwise use such Materials (in whole or in part) in connection with the Site and/or the Products, using any form, media or technology now known or later developed, without providing compensation to you or any other person, without any liability to you or any other person, and free from any obligation of confidence or other duties on the part of Walmart, its affiliates and their respective licensees...

However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services, you grantYahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable...

EDIT: But I believe that these clauses are required when someone uploads any material, so the site can use it--i.e. you are giving BioWare the right to show your text when you comment in the forum.

BTW Many of them also have a clause about forbidding you to data-mine too

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .

[elitecom]

CenturyCrow wrote...
 Check Walmart's Terms and Conditions, if you upload a picture to be printed.

You grant to Walmart Canada Corp. a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, unrestricted, world-wide right and license to access, use, copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, display, perform, communicate to the public, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, and otherwise use such Materials (in whole or in part) in connection with the Site and/or the Products, using any form, media or technology now known or later developed, without providing compensation to you or any other person, without any liability to you or any other person, and free from any obligation of confidence or other duties on the part of Walmart, its affiliates and their respective licensees...

Many of them also have a clause about forbidding you to data-mine too

Doesn't surprise me, Walmart has more shifty business practices than the Shifty Looking Cow.

[wolfsite]

hangmans tree wrote...

Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the
extent that your contributions through use of the Software give rise to any
copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual,
irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and
license to use your contributions in any way and for any purpose in
connection with the Software and related goods and services including the
rights to reproduce, copy, adapt, modify, perform, display, publish,
broadcast, transmit, or otherwise communicate to the public by any means
whether now known or unknown and distribute your contributions without
any further notice or compensation to you of any kind for the whole
duration of protection granted to intellectual property rights by applicable
laws and international conventions. You hereby waive any moral rights of
paternity, publication, reputation, or attribution with respect to EA’s and
other players’ use and enjoyment of such assets in connection with the
Software and related goods and services under applicable law. The
license grant to EA, and the above waiver of any applicable moral rights,
survives any termination of this License.

what...is ... this... I... ?

May I ask were you got this?  I went read every current EA EULA, Privacy Policy and this section is not in any of them.

But I have a feeling this is made up....


Also I find it funny people are leaving out this part of the EULA

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

 

In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

[DanaScu]

wolfsite wrote...

The url was on an earlier page.

http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf

That paragraph is in there. Along with other happy stuff.

[Bostur]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

The tone of some of the posts in this thread are getting a little hysterical and conspiracy theorist-y. Let's try and keep the thread related to Mass Effect 3, please.

Do you know how you combat hysteria and conspiricy theories? By posting verifiable facts.

When you explain the technical details behind what the Origin program looks for, what data it actually collects, and what it uploads to Electronic Arts, only then will the furor die. Or, of course, it would rage to a fever pitch if Origin is proven to violate a person's privacy.

Indeed, rumours happen because people are kept in the dark. How about putting a nice short, sensible, human readable EULA in ME3. That would be a nice change from the usual legal mumbo jumbo, maybe it would even catch on to the rest of the industry.

How about:

1. Don't copy our game without permission.
2. If you visit our social sites, be nice and sensible.
3. If you connect to EA servers we will log your IP adress like everyone else.

[anzolino]

@eyesofastorm: We have a poll since months: Hyperion II's poll (It's in my signature too)

wolfsite wrote...
*snip*
In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

I also find funny if people don't know what they quote.

"EA collects non-personally... The non-personally identifiable information... includes"

• Internet Protocol Address => wrong, it's personally identifiable, at least in Europe
• Application usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics
• software => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it includes the data on my PC (installed and also preferred programs, my documents, my music = the complete stuff)
• software usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics

Conclusion? They declaring personally data as non-personally data.
They simply lying to me! The purpose they want the data collected for doesn't cover all these data. They don't need my "software usage" (it's not the game usage!) for improving service, they don't need my "software" for troubleshooting bugs, and even more they don't need anything of these data to enhancing my user experiences!
And then EA really expect me to believe in their statements "EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,..."? I wouldn't believe myself in this case!

Now at least the German version has been changed and this part is vanished.

[abaris]

wolfsite wrote...




Also I find it funny people are leaving out this part of the EULA

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

 

In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

In other words, data mining.

Personally I don't care how sensibly it is collected. It's still something that has no business entering my computer. I don't see any reason why I should agree to any kind of data mining after having paid for a product and activated it.

If they want feedback to improve on their products and services they need but ask.

[Incognito JC]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, massive thread and all, no time to read every post:

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning's developers made Origin optional. Why can't Bioware do the same?

I swear, EA comes up with the worst DRMs. First it was that limited install crap on Mass Effect, which promoted piracy of the game rather than preventing it. Now it's Origin with the alleged data mining. Even Steam doesn't do this. I'm quite sure Bioware already knows that they will lose PC sales if Origin becomes mandatory. The only difference is whether BW will listen to the consumers or not.

I've said this many times over, any DRM other than the basic CD key check, will only push consumers away, not prevent piracy. Pirates can crack whatever you throw at them, it's the buying consumers that gets harmed.

[wolfsite]

abaris wrote...

wolfsite wrote...




Also I find it funny people are leaving out this part of the EULA

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

 

In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

In other words, data mining.

Personally I don't care how sensibly it is collected. It's still something that has no business entering my computer. I don't see any reason why I should agree to any kind of data mining after having paid for a product and activated it.

If they want feedback to improve on their products and services they need but ask.

The best spin doctors come to BSN...... Stay classy guys.

[wolfsite]

anzolino wrote...

@eyesofastorm: We have a poll since months: Hyperion II's poll (It's in my signature too)

wolfsite wrote...
*snip*
In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

I also find funny if people don't know what they quote.

"EA collects non-personally... The non-personally identifiable information... includes"

• Internet Protocol Address => wrong, it's personally identifiable, at least in Europe
• Application usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics
• software => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it includes the data on my PC (installed and also preferred programs, my documents, my music = the complete stuff)
• software usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics

Conclusion? They declaring personally data as non-personally data.
They simply lying to me! The purpose they want the data collected for doesn't cover all these data. They don't need my "software usage" (it's not the game usage!) for improving service, they don't need my "software" for troubleshooting bugs, and even more they don't need anything of these data to enhancing my user experiences!
And then EA really expect me to believe in their statements "EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,..."? I wouldn't believe myself in this case!

Now at least the German version has been changed and this part is vanished.

[*]No that's just you changing things to fit your viewpoint so you can feel better.
[*]Oh and to avoid a triple post I read the TOS linked in the last page. In context that paragraph seems to be more about modifications to the game.  such as changing scripts or adding content.  Seems to keep people from selling content they make themselves.
[*]I'l just wait here so all the hyperbole people can come in and tell me how wrong I am for not believeing the conspiracy now.

Modifié par wolfsite, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[Raygereio]

Incognito JC wrote...
I swear, EA comes up with the worst DRMs.

*cough*Ubisoft*cough*Assassin'sCreed2*Cough*Blizzard*cough*Diablo3*cough*

Ahem. Excuse me. I had something stuck in my throat there. All better now.

wolfsite wrote...
The best spin doctors come to BSN..

How about you come up counter-arguments instead of non-witty onliners? We want to keep this shindig classy after all.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:06 .

[abaris]

wolfsite wrote...

The best spin doctors come to BSN...... Stay classy guys.

Yup.

Not that you're interested, but may I bring that part to your attention?

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. 

So, there's something actively looking for data on your hard drive. Obviously you're comfortable with that and since that's no big deal I assume you invite company officials to your home to get a picture of your living conditions.

For me it's a no go.

[Incognito JC]

Raygereio wrote...

*cough*Ubisoft*cough*Assassin'sCreed2*Cough*Blizzard*cough*Diablo3*cough*

Ahem. Excuse me. I had something stuck in my throat there. All better now.

Have a cup of water!

On the side note, I've only ever played the AC series on the PS3, so I'm unaware of what you are trying to imply. Diablo 3.. I haven't been following up on >_>

[abaris]

Raygereio wrote...

*cough*Ubisoft*cough*Assassin'sCreed2*Cough*Blizzard*cough*Diablo3*cough*

Good thing I wasn't interested in these games.

But I don't exclusively blame EA. Every company coming up with something that actively scans for my data, personalised or not, will have to do without my purchase. Paying for a product is enough of a contribution.

[wolfsite]

abaris wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

The best spin doctors come to BSN...... Stay classy guys.

Yup.

Not that you're interested, but may I bring that part to your attention?

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. 

So, there's something actively looking for data on your hard drive. Obviously you're comfortable with that and since that's no big deal I assume you invite company officials to your home to get a picture of your living conditions.

For me it's a no go.

Ya, check your processor speed, Ram and such to see the type of computers players use so they have an idea what to set min specs for in future games.  Now who else does that.... oh ya EVERBODY.


Nice try thanks for playing.