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[charmingcharlie]

wolfsite wrote...
Ya, check your processor speed, Ram and such to see the type of computers players use so they have an idea what to set min specs for in future games.  Now who else does that.... oh ya EVERBODY.


Nice try thanks for playing.

Who is this "everybody" then ?  As far as I am aware the only other company that does anything remotely like this is Steam and even then it is OPTIONAL and you can decline it if you so wish.

[abaris]

wolfsite wrote...

Ya, check your processor speed, Ram and such to see the type of computers players use so they have an idea what to set min specs for in future games.  Now who else does that.... oh ya EVERBODY.


Nice try thanks for playing.

None of their darn business.

charmingcharlie wrote...

Who is this "everybody" then ? 
As far as I am aware the only other company that does anything remotely
like this is Steam and even then it is OPTIONAL and you can decline it
if you so wish.

Exactly - with opt-out being the operative word.

Modifié par abaris, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:18 .

[Incognito JC]

Raygereio wrote...
*cough*Ubisoft*cough*Assassin'sCreed2*Cough*Blizzard*cough*Diablo3*cough*

I've just looked these up. Apparently these games require constant net connection to play the game. Good thing about this is, Ubisoft already stopped using that dreaded DRM after AC2, and Blizzard is aware of the outrage over the same DRM, so I'm *quite* sure they will do something about it.

[Raygereio]

Incognito JC wrote...
On the side note, I've only ever played the AC series on the PS3, so I'm unaware of what you are trying to imply. Diablo 3.. I haven't been following up on >_>

<tangent start>
-AC2 was the first game with the always-online-DRM. Basically anytime you tried to do anything in the game, the game asked permission from a server first before doing that. Naturally the end result was a horrible mess. Got a slow internet connection? Are Ubisoft's server busy? Well though luck, buddy. Have fun crashing back to the main menu. I had to resort to you-know-what to make that game even remotely playable.
-Diablo 3 will also feature always-online-DR as well as active protection against modding. The latter to ensure people will pay money for items. The former is - again - a horrible mess that downrigt screws over the singleplayer experience. The reaction from Ubisoft when people were not thrilled was a "We're surprised!". Which is sort of the insulting cherry ontop of the kick-in-the-customer's-******-cake.
<tangent end>

Edit: ninja'd. Oh well. Anyway, there are plenty of other examples of horrible DRMs. My point was that EA does not have a monopoly on stupid ideas.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[anzolino]

wolfsite wrote...
No that's just you changing things to fit your viewpoint so you can feel better.

You are really funny. You don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Completely wrong, it's the viewpoint of the data protectors. Why do you think EA has trouble in Europe, especially in Germany? Just because of me? No. Because of the data protectors and consumer protectors viewpoints. Why do you think they have changed the EULA (four times now) and the Origin client (I don't know how often)? Because why I don't like it? No. Because they have trouble with the mentioned people.
Isn't my viewpoint that bothers EA. There are a lot more powerful people out there and they can really harm the publisher.

[hangmans tree]

CenturyCrow wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

@Hangman    Can you provide a link to the source of this?

If you're disturbed with the text, it's common to many online sites and services. Check Walmart's Terms and Conditions, if you upload a picture to be printed.

EDIT: But I believe that these clauses are required when someone uploads any material, so the site can use it--i.e. you are giving BioWare the right to show your text when you comment in the forum.

BTW Many of them also have a clause about forbidding you to data-mine too

http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf
page 3 - contributions.
What worries me is the fanart - in that case my drawings and other beautiful works of fellow forumites and fans of BW games. These may be considered  contributions.
And how in that light something made by me in non-profitable character can be waived and transferred to EA (if I read it right)? As an artist my rights of ownership are non-waivable in any conditions (regarding my art), even if I sign some papers that I waive something I made this is non-binding (at least in my country). Rights to that art are mine and mine alone.
I think its called inalienable rights in english.

[Incognito JC]

Raygereio wrote...

Edit: ninja'd. Oh well. Anyway, there are plenty of other examples of horrible DRMs. My point was that EA does not have a monopoly on stupid ideas.

Point taken. Although it may not be a monopoly, but it seems like EA is in the lead. On topic though, KoA:R's devs did the right thing by making Origin optional, no reason BW shouldn't do the same. Both are under EA. Heck, they have a cross promotion going on.

[hangmans tree]

wolfsite wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...
what...is ... this... I... ?

May I ask were you got this?  I went read every current EA EULA, Privacy Policy and this section is not in any of them.

Its current ME3 EULA posted on amazon.

[Nathander Von Eric]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Do you know how you combat hysteria and conspiricy theories? By posting verifiable facts.

When you explain the technical details behind what the Origin program looks for, what data it actually collects, and what it uploads to Electronic Arts, only then will the furor die. Or, of course, it would rage to a fever pitch if Origin is proven to violate a person's privacy.

Hey, hey hey!

That read's just a little too much like reason, logic and common sense. I don't things like that are allowed on teh interwebs.

[wolfsite]

anzolino wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
No that's just you changing things to fit your viewpoint so you can feel better.

You are really funny. You don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Completely wrong, it's the viewpoint of the data protectors. Why do you think EA has trouble in Europe, especially in Germany? Just because of me? No. Because of the data protectors and consumer protectors viewpoints. Why do you think they have changed the EULA (four times now) and the Origin client (I don't know how often)? Because why I don't like it? No. Because they have trouble with the mentioned people.
Isn't my viewpoint that bothers EA. There are a lot more powerful people out there and they can really harm the publisher.

I know I said that earlier (Which I'm sure people ignored since it was common sense in action)  There are people out there that keep corporations in check.  If a corporation did do something that infringed on people's rights they would jump in.  Frankly EA would not want that kind of headache, it could cause federal, Civil, class Action, and a PR nightmare which could result the loss of billions of dollars.  Hell Sony is back in court about there EULA in terms of legal rights.

Sorry bringing common sense back into the thread my bad.


VIVA LA CONSPIRACY!


Now to go back and hear everyone say I'm wrong for not joining the band wagon.

[charmingcharlie]

wolfsite wrote...

Sorry bringing common sense back into the thread my bad.


VIVA LA CONSPIRACY!


Now to go back and hear everyone say I'm wrong for not joining the band wagon.

You haven't posted a single bit of common sense in this thread, all you have attempted to do is insult and belittle those that have genuine concerns about nearly all aspects of Origin by going "herp derp conspiracy theories rofl lol pmsl".

Now you obviously don't have a problem with Origin and what it does, that is fine but stop trying to belittle and undermine those that do have concerns about Origin.

Oh and I am still waiting for you to tell me who this "everybody" is.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:37 .

[anzolino]

@hangmans tree, only one advise: don't contribute anything furthermore.

[elitecom]

wolfsite wrote...
I know I said that earlier (Which I'm sure people ignored since it was common sense in action)  There are people out there that keep corporations in check. 

Yes I'm sure that in a perfect world that's common sense, but really who are these "people" that keeps corporations in check?

[shepskisaac]

Remember to vote in the poll guys: social.bioware.com/526111/polls/27782/

[Wardka]

wolfsite wrote...
I know I said that earlier (Which I'm sure people ignored since it was common sense in action)  There are people out there that keep corporations in check.  If a corporation did do something that infringed on people's rights they would jump in.  Frankly EA would not want that kind of headache, it could cause federal, Civil, class Action, and a PR nightmare which could result the loss of billions of dollars.  Hell Sony is back in court about there EULA in terms of legal rights.

That's what we are trying to do right now, in this very thread - keeping EA in check by refusing to participate in their Origin plan. We are "the people out there". Yet you insist on demeaning and belittling us at every turn, which I'm pretty sure goes against the BSN rules, if not common decency.

Sorry bringing common sense back into the thread my bad.


VIVA LA CONSPIRACY!

Case in point. Your only reason for being in this thread seems to be to heckle those of us who have a problem with Origin. You like the client and don't mind the EULA - fine, great, fantastic. But many of us don't, and it's not your place to label us as conspiracy theorists because we want to know if Origin will be required for ME3 or not.

[anzolino]

wolfsite wrote...
I know I said that earlier (Which I'm sure people ignored since it was common sense in action) There are people out there that keep corporations in check. If a corporation did do something that infringed on people's rights they would jump in. Frankly EA would not want that kind of headache, it could cause federal, Civil, class Action, and a PR nightmare which could result the loss of billions of dollars. Hell Sony is back in court about there EULA in terms of legal rights.

As I said before: You don't know what you are talking about. All this happens in Germany at the time. If EA don't change a lot of things they will be Sony's neighbour in the court. It's a pending loss.

VIVA LA CONSPIRACY!

What? I'm lost. Time to ignore this.


Don't wait too long, charlie.

[wolfsite]

charmingcharlie wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Sorry bringing common sense back into the thread my bad.


VIVA LA CONSPIRACY!


Now to go back and hear everyone say I'm wrong for not joining the band wagon.

You haven't posted a single bit of common sense in this thread, all you have attempted to do is insult and belittle those that have genuine concerns about nearly all aspects of Origin by going "herp derp conspiracy theories rofl lol pmsl".

Now you obviously don't have a problem with Origin and what it does, that is fine but stop trying to belittle and undermine those that do have concerns about Origin.

Oh and I am still waiting for you to tell me who this "everybody" is.

So you say I insult people then insult me.  If I insulted anyone I apologize however go back a couple of pages and read everything.  That's what all of this sounds like, everyone is everywhere, there is no consistency, when someone brings up one point they jump to something else.

The question will ME3 require Origin, it has been stated they can't answer that at the current time.  Instead of respecting that people have gone off spewing there opinion as fact (I have been victim of this as well, again my apologies as I am guilty also).  But the topic keeps changing: one moment it's scanning, next it's EULA and how people can interpret it, so on and so on.

I would like to apologize for a page or two earlier in regards to the EULA though, I should have not come off as arrogant as I did since I merely wanted to point out that EA does have things in place that can allow action if any information, wether personal or anonymous, gets out without the consumers consent.

But you have to admit, it has tuend into a lot of infighting of personal views, and the appearance of someone not respecting those views does imply certain things which lead to people belieeving that these are just conspiracies.

Again I would like to apologize if anyone was offended for the way I acted when presenting information but I'm sure people here know how easy it is to get caught up in the heat of the moment as well as how hard it is to convey your exact intentions and emotions over a text based system since you may intend a serious non insulting tone, another may interpret that completely differently.


Okay getting into wall of text here so how about this.  We all agree to take one specific item about this and discuss the merrit's and problems of that, jumping around I think is what caused the difficulty, I think we can all agree that EULA's can be shortened down a bit since they are quite long winded, and then people interpreting it certain ways caused the skiv.

Again sorry if I came off wrong, however there are people here that are also not taking the points of others seriously or not at all, so it would be best to pause for a moment (I bet that VIVA thing wouldn't have happenned if the heat of the moment didn't get me)

Again the VIVA thing was Out of Line, it was intended with light humour to break up the tention I felt was in thread but it obviously wasn't. I won't edit it out to hide it but I will formally apologize here.

Modifié par wolfsite, 13 janvier 2012 - 05:54 .

[Thoth_Amon]

Incognito JC wrote...

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, massive thread and all, no time to read every post:

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning's developers made Origin optional. Why can't Bioware do the same?

38 Studios is a private company and EA is merely the publisher for that particular game.  They've said it will definitely be on Steam because only a fool would ignore such a huge market.  Bioware is just another one of EA's tentacles.

[Travie]

hangmans tree wrote...

http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf
page 3 - contributions.
What worries me is the fanart - in that case my drawings and other beautiful works of fellow forumites and fans of BW games. These may be considered  contributions.
And how in that light something made by me in non-profitable character can be waived and transferred to EA (if I read it right)? As an artist my rights of ownership are non-waivable in any conditions (regarding my art), even if I sign some papers that I waive something I made this is non-binding (at least in my country). Rights to that art are mine and mine alone.
I think its called inalienable rights in english.

Amen. Anything fans create belongs to them, NOT EA. 

[charmingcharlie]

wolfsite wrote...
The question will ME3 require Origin, it has been stated they can't answer that at the current time.  Instead of respecting that people have gone off spewing there opinion as fact (I have been victim of this as well, again my apologies as I am guilty also).  But the topic keeps changing: one moment it's scanning, next it's EULA and how people can interpret it, so on and so on.

People are not "respecting" Bioware's stanch because it is a tad bit iffy.  This game is less than 1 month from going gold and they don't know if it will use Origin yet ?  I mean come on pull the other one it has bells on it.  It is pretty obvious that both EA and Bioware know exactly what the status of Origin is, they are just refusing to tell us.

Now as a customer that is going to spend a crap load of money on this game I want to know what I am purchasing.  I want to know what DRM the game will have and I want to know as soon as possible so I can determine whether I wish to give EA my custom.

[Lumikki]

wolfsite wrote...


- No that's just you changing things to fit your viewpoint so you can feel better.
- Oh and to avoid a triple post I read the TOS linked in the last page. In context that paragraph seems to be more about modifications to the game.  such as changing scripts or adding content.  Seems to keep people from selling content they make themselves.
- I'l just wait here so all the hyperbole people can come in and tell me how wrong I am for not believeing the conspiracy now.

What is personal as private to someone is depending TOTALLY about peoples own personal viewpoint.

How ever, one thing is clear.

When any software is transfering ANYTING outside of personal computer system, there is possibility for break of privacy. As long software doesn't transfer anything outside of persons own computer, it stays as private.

Also what is private information is DEFINED by the person who owns the information, not anyone outsider. That means I can't define anyones else privacy or EA can't define mine. Example if I think my computers screen resoluution is private matter, then it is. 

People can have very different idea about what is private information, because it's induvidual ways defined.

How EA will respect they customers privacy with Origin client and ME3 will be seen soon.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:04 .

[wolfsite]

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


- No that's just you changing things to fit your viewpoint so you can feel better.
- Oh and to avoid a triple post I read the TOS linked in the last page. In context that paragraph seems to be more about modifications to the game.  such as changing scripts or adding content.  Seems to keep people from selling content they make themselves.
- I'l just wait here so all the hyperbole people can come in and tell me how wrong I am for not believeing the conspiracy now.

What is personal as private to someone is depending TOTALLY about peoples own personal viewpoint.

How ever, one thing is clear.

When any software is transfering ANYTING outside of personal computer system, there is possibility for break of privacy. As long software doesn't transfer anything outside of persons own computer, it stays as private.

Also what is private information is DEFINED by the person who owns the information, not anyone outsider. That means I can't define anyones else privacy or EA can't define mine. Example if I think my computers screen resoluution is private matter, then it is. 

People can have very different idea about what is private information, because it's induvidual ways defined.

I'd just ignore all that I got carried away.

However you do have to admit a lot of the way things are typed it does leave a lot of ways to interpret that.  As you can see already it has been taken many different ways.

But ya just ignore my stuff from the last two pages, got on my High horse there.  Thankfully someone pulled me off.  Thanks by the way

[Ghost-621]

Well, you can argue about how harmless OriginSpyware is, until you've seen what it actually does.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:10 .

[Lumikki]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Well, you can argue about how harmless OriginSpyware is, until you've seen what it actually does.

Yeah, but the issue is that EA keep changing the software and EULA  all the time. There is no, "This is it" moment. We can maybe know how it is now or past, but we will not know how it will be in future. Your link is about how it use to be. How it will be when ME3 is released, we will see. I hope they have fixed all conserns people have had with Origin client.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:18 .

[wolfsite]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Well, you can argue about how harmless OriginSpyware is, until you've seen what it actually does.

Please lets not start this again.

They have corrected a lot of the things in that article (I can atest to that I used the process monitor they did on the current version of Origin)

I believe everyone wants to talk about the wording in the EULA now since many feel it allows the possibility of invasion of privacy if someone changed there stance again.

But please lets stay civil I don't want to go back up on that High Horse..... its really high and everyone was staring at me