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[anzolino]

@wolfsite
Allright, let us keep the peace. This VIVA thing wasn't well tempered to me because it has been mentioned so often in reasonable discussions against Origin, some people always said: You're just paranoid and want conspiracy. No, actually I don't. So, it just has a bad history.

The main thing is, we can respect each others viewpoint and we don't bark each other.

[eyesofastorm]

wolfsite wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Well, you can argue about how harmless OriginSpyware is, until you've seen what it actually does.

Please lets not start this again.

They have corrected a lot of the things in that article (I can atest to that I used the process monitor they did on the current version of Origin)

I believe everyone wants to talk about the wording in the EULA now since many feel it allows the possibility of invasion of privacy if someone changed there stance again.

But please lets stay civil I don't want to go back up on that High Horse..... its really high and everyone was staring at me

Why do you even care?  Why is this your fight?  The only entity that has any clear motivation to defend Origin is EA.  What is your motivation?

[Incognito JC]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

38 Studios is a private company and EA is merely the publisher for that particular game.  They've said it will definitely be on Steam because only a fool would ignore such a huge market.  Bioware is just another one of EA's tentacles.

...

...Damn it.

All that's left now is to hope that BW could get permission to make Origin optional. If this was final, BW would've said something by now, right?

[Ravenmyste]

Incognito JC wrote...

Raygereio wrote...
*cough*Ubisoft*cough*Assassin'sCreed2*Cough*Blizzard*cough*Diablo3*cough*

I've just looked these up. Apparently these games require constant net connection to play the game. Good thing about this is, Ubisoft already stopped using that dreaded DRM after AC2, and Blizzard is aware of the outrage over the same DRM, so I'm *quite* sure they will do something about it.

nope they wont
 diablo3   requires you to play online and doesnt have any files on the disc or computer everything is  on blizzard side just like steam does and there is no single player offline mode at all so i think they wont change there mind at all there in the same place as ea thinking dont like it dont buy their games

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:21 .

[wolfsite]

eyesofastorm wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Well, you can argue about how harmless OriginSpyware is, until you've seen what it actually does.

Please lets not start this again.

They have corrected a lot of the things in that article (I can atest to that I used the process monitor they did on the current version of Origin)

I believe everyone wants to talk about the wording in the EULA now since many feel it allows the possibility of invasion of privacy if someone changed there stance again.

But please lets stay civil I don't want to go back up on that High Horse..... its really high and everyone was staring at me

Why do you even care?  Why is this your fight?  The only entity that has any clear motivation to defend Origin is EA.  What is your motivation?

Exactly I got cought up in the moment.  My original intention wasn't to appear to be defending EA I just found information from research that they did correct the major problems.... then I got cought up in the wave and forgot which way was up.  I was focusing on one thing when people were expressing concerns about something else, the EULA, I was being tright but they do have a right to be concerned.

Besides how often do you see someone admitting they went overboard on the Internet.  Come on I was an ass I admit it.

But I see the problem now whic is the EULA and how it can be worked around in some aspects.  Thoguh it would be insane of EA to follow threw they should still close the hole in the EULA to put people at ease.

[anzolino]

Incognito JC wrote...
All that's left now is to hope that BW could get permission to make Origin optional. If this was final, BW would've said something by now, right?

YES! That's why we hope they are fighting for the optional.
(with flaming swords and freezing spells and all this mighty stuff!)

[druss44121]

YES or NO, is it required? I'm pre-ordering the game, if no one can answer NO it's not required then I do not pre-order for PC.

YES or NO??!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

[wolfsite]

druss44121 wrote...

YES or NO, is it required? I'm pre-ordering the game, if no one can answer NO it's not required then I do not pre-order for PC.

YES or NO??!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

Some people found this online

eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Mass+Effect+3_en_10.5.11+FINAL.pdf

It does mention Origin a few times making it appear it acts like a game that uses Steamworks when you install it.  When I say Steamworks I mean it links to your Steam account as here it will link to your Origin account.  I'm not infering in this post they are the same but merely use simliar principles when you install a game that has the feature.
I do realize some people do not like Steam being compared to Origin but that was the best way to explain it since the installation methods are very similar.

Edit:
As the person below stated, to many variables and information contradicting each other.   So it's still unknown if the above is THE final...... okay honestly this really needs to get resolved.

Modifié par wolfsite, 13 janvier 2012 - 07:11 .

[Fredvdp]

druss44121 wrote...

YES or NO, is it required? I'm pre-ordering the game, if no one can answer NO it's not required then I do not pre-order for PC.

YES or NO??!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

Nothing confirmed. One EULA says it's required to play, another says it's required to activate. The demo won't require Origin (just the Origin account) so let's hope that means the full game doesn't require it either.

[druss44121]

Ok, thanks for the replies. So I assume right now what we're posting on accounts that are techineclly an "origin" account, correct?

I'd like it if EA/Bioware/moderators here would answer this once and for all. The game is almost ready to be released, paying consumers deserve an answer so they can make the best purchase choice.

Modifié par druss44121, 13 janvier 2012 - 07:14 .

[eyesofastorm]

druss44121 wrote...

Ok, thanks for the replies. So I assume right now what we're posting on accounts that are techineclly an "origin" account, correct?

I'd like it if EA/Bioware/moderators here would answer this once and for all. The game is almost ready to be released, paying consumers deserve an answer so they can make the best purchase choice.

They don't want you to make a good, reasoned decision.  They want it to be an impulse decision.  That's why they won't tell us until the last minute.  

[druss44121]

"They don't want you to make a good, reasoned decision. They want it to be an impulse decision. That's why they won't tell us until the last minute."

If that's true, then that guarantees that ME3 will REQUIRE the Origin client to play. I know there are supposed hacks and such for it, but I refuse to resort to illegal activities to play a game I legally bought. I just want to buy the game and play it without agreeing to any EULA besides "play, and have fun."

[wolfsite]

druss44121 wrote...

Ok, thanks for the replies. So I assume right now what we're posting on accounts that are techineclly an "origin" account, correct?

I'd like it if EA/Bioware/moderators here would answer this once and for all. The game is almost ready to be released, paying consumers deserve an answer so they can make the best purchase choice.

Well the account you are using right now can be used to log into Origin.  I don't think it can be called an Origin account until you actually login for the first time.  Splitting hairs ya but a lot of this is like walking on egg shells.

I'm sure many are hoping the delay is more due to changing things in the EULA to make it more acceptable to some people but again, not hearing much.

[druss44121]

Thanks again for the response. I just never know since sites often try to force you into changes in sly ways. I've been careful not to install any clients (except for Steam... I gave into them a long while ago, which is partly why I do not want any more clients to worry about).

Also, capitalism tells me they are not removing it. If they did, they would tell us by now, because I'm sure it has an affect on PC pre-orders. I mean, PC gaming as a whole has been gutted by DRM and such, which is why games like Minecraft have hit on, but the big releases have moved more toward consoles (where you get a Red Dead Redemption that doesn't even get a PC release, or many underselling multi-plats on the PC).

It's sad. PC gaming is still my favorite... and I refuse to give up too much simply to play a game. I shouldn't have to worry about my computer being scanned or being online or software that slows down everything. There are other, more effective ways to fight piracy.

[druss44121]

Also, the idea that being banned from a forum = banned from playing a game is absurd to the point that I would never, ever in a million years buy a product with those guidelines, not even if it was a bug-less Elder Scrolls VI in 3D with sensovision.

Modifié par druss44121, 13 janvier 2012 - 07:47 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Ya, check your processor speed, Ram and such to see the type of computers players use so they have an idea what to set min specs for in future games. 

None of their damn business if the individual doesn't want it to be. 

And many companies "allow" their software customer some kind of opt-out or opt-in when it comes to that data-collection. 

[Redcoat]

As for the "no answer at this point" bit, I suppose one possible explanation is that they really don't know. Of course, the more cynical side of me thinks that it's because EA knows that the news "Yes, Origin will be required to play ME3" will go over like a lead balloon and would result in more than a few players refusing to buy the game.

Which inspired me to come up with a little personal adage: If someone, be it a politician or spokesperson for some organisation, appears to be waffling on an either/or issue, then the option that sounds worse is most likely the true one.

[druss44121]

I do agree... if they weren't using it, they'd let us know by now. Also, I doubt Bioware has much of a say on this, this is all on the publisher. I bet most game developers actually DON'T like this overly intrusive DRM. They want people to play the game and enjoy it.

I think I'm gonna pre-order PS3. Any way to transfer a PC save to PS3??? :-)

[didymos1120]

druss44121 wrote...

 Any way to transfer a PC save to PS3??? :-)

No.

[Lumikki]

What there is to say, if we speculate.

If company has good news to customers, there is no single reason why they would not tell it to they customers. How ever, if company has bad news for they customers and they have something to lose (pre-orders), there is reason not to tell the bad news to customers before sertain time.

This is how I see it. As two month is too short time to make big changes. It takes time to get physical copies to stores around the world and so on.. Sertain time here is the publishing date March 6, 2012.

If how ever this will happens this way, it also tells us a lot about companies priorities as what they value most.
(Respecting customers wishes about Origin client having optional data collection choice vs Companies needs for information over customers privacy issues, even when it can lead some customer losses)

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 janvier 2012 - 08:33 .

[Bostur]

anzolino wrote...

@eyesofastorm: We have a poll since months: Hyperion II's poll (It's in my signature too)

wolfsite wrote...
*snip*
In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products
and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software
updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your
computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as
well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to
successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and
peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically
for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs,
and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

I also find funny if people don't know what they quote.

"EA collects non-personally... The non-personally identifiable information... includes"

• Internet Protocol Address => wrong, it's personally identifiable, at least in Europe
• Application usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics
• software => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it includes the data on my PC (installed and also preferred programs, my documents, my music = the complete stuff)
• software usage => wrong, it's personally identifiable, because it's my consumer characteristics

Conclusion? They declaring personally data as non-personally data.
They simply lying to me! The purpose they want the data collected for doesn't cover all these data. They don't need my "software usage" (it's not the game usage!) for improving service, they don't need my "software" for troubleshooting bugs, and even more they don't need anything of these data to enhancing my user experiences!
And then EA really expect me to believe in their statements "EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,..."? I wouldn't believe myself in this case!

Now at least the German version has been changed and this part is vanished.

In that particluar context it usually means that they collect the data in a way that is not personal identifiable. They don't store it in a way thats linked to the specific accounts, but use it for statistical purposes. If they go ahead and link it to individuals anyway, then they are in violation of their own terms.

A lot of data can be used in a personally identifiable way, and a non-personal identifiable way. It's the way it's used that matters not the content of the data.

[Lumikki]

Bostur wrote...

In that particluar context it usually means that they collect the data in a way that is not personal identifiable. They don't store it in a way thats linked to the specific accounts, but use it for statistical purposes. If they go ahead and link it to individuals anyway, then they are in violation of their own terms.

A lot of data can be used in a personally identifiable way, and a non-personal identifiable way. It's the way it's used that matters not the content of the data.

Yes, but allowing to colleting data from my computer ANY of it, personal identifiers or not, should be MY CHOICE, because it's MY DATA. They should ask permission from me, do I want to be part of data collection.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[abaris]

Bostur wrote...

[*]

In that particluar context it usually means that they collect the data in a way that is not personal identifiable. They don't store it in a way thats linked to the specific accounts, but use it for statistical purposes. If they go ahead and link it to individuals anyway, then they are in violation of their own terms.

A lot of data can be used in a personally identifiable way, and a non-personal identifiable way. It's the way it's used that matters not the content of the data.

[*]Doesn't make it any less intrusive though, since you're not partaking in a poll. You buy a product and to use said product they demand you opening a door to your computer. As has been said, your IP alone is enough to put a name tag on your data.

[implodinggoat]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The tone of some of the posts in this thread are getting a little hysterical and conspiracy theorist-y. Let's try and keep the thread related to Mass Effect 3, please.

I believe "Conspiratorial" is the term you were looking for.

Of course suggesting that something is conspiratorial rambling is exactly the sort of thing that "THEY" would say when you're getting too close to the truth.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 13 janvier 2012 - 08:47 .

[Dovahzaan]

I don't get how you can treat your loyal customers like this for a little money. People, who have supported you over years. And that's how you thank us? With silence? You should be ashamed.