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[Alex_SM]

It's funny, people are telling EA "F*** that, take my money, but not this way!" and EA answers "I'm gonna take your money the way I want, and you have nothing to do about. Deal with it".

Modifié par Alex_SM, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:19 .

[Fredvdp]

Alex_SM wrote...

It's funny, people are telling EA "F*** that, take my money, but not this way!" and EA answers "I'm gonna take your money the way I want, and you have nothing to do about. Deal with it".

They may take my money... but they will never take... MY FREEDOM!!!!

[charmingcharlie]

[quote]Jonathan Shepard wrote...

But I'd rather not resort to that. And I didn't say you didn't like ME, Charlie.[/quote]

Again as I said circumventing it still means you have given money to EA and you are supporting Origin and saying to EA "this is cool" so don't be surprised if EA is laughing their arse off at these hollow protests.  I should also say again that it will not take long for EA to catch on to what people are doing and change the way Origin behaves so it detects these "methods".

I know you didn't say I don't like ME I just wanted to show that I just like everyone else am a huge fan of Mass Effect.  My decision to not buy Mass Effect 3 if it includes Origin is not taken lightly.  I am not a "casual" fan of the series I am a huge fan of the series just like many here

[quote]Jonathan Shepard wrote...  I'm willing to deal with it. [/quote]

Because of that EA will carry on with Origin.

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

If my methods mean they don't get their money, then I'm pretty sure they won't be too pleased with that; I'd hardly call it supporting Origin. That would be my most extreme method of protesting. Hopefully all of this is just pointless banter and Evil Chris will come in and let us know our fears have been for naught.

I'm doubtful though. :/

[Gorosaur]

This may be relevant, if not kick me out.

I remember all the worry that TOR would require Origin, and I had no difficulty installing and playing the game without it. Just my two cents.

[Alex_SM]

Gorosaur wrote...

This may be relevant, if not kick me out.

I remember all the worry that TOR would require Origin, and I had no difficulty installing and playing the game without it. Just my two cents.

In TOR case there was an official announcement, this time it's not happening (yet). 

[Random citizen]

We should support Bioware. But if there is a legal way to avoid origin, we should definitely seize it ...and drive EA back into dark space! *closes fist*

[charmingcharlie]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

If my methods mean they don't get their money, then I'm pretty sure they won't be too pleased with that; I'd hardly call it supporting Origin. That would be my most extreme method of protesting. Hopefully all of this is just pointless banter and Evil Chris will come in and let us know our fears have been for naught.

I'm doubtful though. :/

If those methods are used then again you are justifying EA's stand on using Origin to protect it's property.  Look you cannot "have your cake and eat it here" I am afraid it is one of those situations where you either "put up or shut up".  The only way to deal with Origin and send a clear message to EA is to avoid Mass Effect 3 and any other product from EA.  No half measures, no dodgy shenanigans just nice and simple "EA I am not touching your products at all till you remove Origin".

Now if enough people had the balls to do that you would soon see EA thinking that Origin is a bad idea and then you could "have your cake and eat it too".  We could easily get Mass Effect 3 with no Origin requirement but to do that means you will have to make a few small sacrifices, however from posts on this topic most are not willing to do that so Origin is here to stay.

[Tarisch]

I dont know what I hate more, the fact that we need Origin to play ME3, or the fact that we, as customers, are treated like idiots. The only thing they tell use is "we dont know", yeah, right, and I am a Geth.

[Random citizen]

Some humanitarian group should pay EA the ransom for Bioware and their ME/DA franchises.
I wonder how much they would demand? When they are free, then the gaming world can finally be at peace.

[The Elder King]

Random citizen wrote...

Some humanitarian group should pay EA the ransom for Bioware and their ME/DA franchises.
I wonder how much they would demand? When they are free, then the gaming world can finally be at peace.

It's not like EA forced Bioware to join them. It was Bioware's decision to accept EA's offer.

[Ahglock]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ahglock wrote...  Should they not get it all, or just not get it on PC?  If it is required I am not getting it on PC.  Can't say I wont ever get it but seeing how all my saves are on PC I am not in a big hurry to get the xbox version, the GOTY version for $20 seems more likely. 

That is up to each individual, I am not trying to tell people how they should behave here.  I am just saying if you are posting against Origin then people need to do something other than spouting hollow words about it. 

As for whether you could go the console route again that is up to you.  You would still be supporting EA and you would be sending a message to EA that you no longer wish to game on the PC and you want to game on the consoles.  I personally do not wish to support EA in any way whatsoever since their actions seem to be detrimental to PC gaming as a whole.  But as always it is up to the individual and what they want to do.

Thanks.  I was more looking for your opinion on the subject because yes it is always up to the individual what to do.  Still I find hearing others opinions and the whys of their opinions a good way to help form my own opinion on the subject.  So thanks for explaining your position more.  It is food for thought, I may be giving ME3 a total pass because I want EA to stop their policies.  And you are right, getting it on the XBOX might not send the correct message.  

[charmingcharlie]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...  Considering how much you've invested in ME, I'm surprised you see it as such a small sacrifice.

It's a small sacrifice because we would successfully send a message to EA that we will buy the game without Origin and that would be a compelling argument for them to ship Mass Effect without Origin.  The small sacrifice you would have to make would be a delay in playing the game.  If we do it the proper way we can get our cake and eat it too.

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Jonathan Shepard wrote...  Now, if I want the product as a whole, you're right. I have to take it or leave it. But we don't even know for sure. Once we do, I'll make my decision. But you've made a point I can't ignore. Unfortunately, it leaves me feeling more uneasy than ever.

At the end of the day you must do what you feel is best for you.  I just want people to be under no illusions here, if you buy the game you are encouraging Origin, if you buy the game and circumvent Origin you are still encouraging Origin and if you steal the game you are justifying EA's use of Origin.  The only way you will get EA to change it's mind and the ONLY way you will be able to play Mass Effect 3 without Origin is if you send a clear message that you will not buy or play Mass Effect 3 or anything from EA until Origin is removed completely.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:54 .

[kojac.ghosper]

or there could be some way to limit origin's access to any non-pertinent data... some sort of way to isolate origin and only allow access to ME3, BF3, things of that nature...

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:55 .

[abaris]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...


Considering how much you've invested in ME, I'm surprised you see it as such a small sacrifice.

There's much more at stake than gaming pleasure.

Even if Origin is keeping it to a bare minimum, there's no way of telling if they aren't on some hackers to do list. And then you're open to some real damage.

I could understand if they wanted online activation to run their games, windows is doing it too after all. What I don't understand is why I should give something in return. If I buy their products I've already given them my money, they have no rights whatsoever to my data. And even more so, since they openly say they'd share it with some third parties.

Some of you may use your rigs only for gaming, but in my case it's work, it's bank, it's taxes. When hell freezes over I give some company the right to take a sniff there.

[Ghost-621]

It was never a matter of "We don't have the answers." Come on people, don't be THAT gullible...

They KNOW it's going to require Origin Spyware. Don't pay for that rights-stealing garbage.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:55 .

[abaris]

Ghost-621 wrote...

They KNOW it's going to require Origin Spyware. Don't pay for that rights-stealing garbage.

If it's there I won't buy.

[Jonathan Shepard]

charmingcharlie wrote...

At the end of the day you must do what you feel is best for you.  I just want people to be under no illusions here, if you buy the game you are encouraging Origin, if you buy the game and circumvent Origin you are still encouraging Origin and if you steal the game you are justifying EA's use of Origin.  The only way you will get EA to change it's mind and the ONLY way you will be able to play Mass Effect 3 without Origin is if you send a clear message that you will not buy or play Mass Effect 3 or anything from EA until Origin is removed completely.

Ah, now I see what you're getting at. Now that's something to really consider. But if it weren't for Origin itself, I wouldn't even consider these things. It's a downward spiral, really. 

... EA STARTED IT 

But you've made a solid case and convinced me. I'll wait until we have some official news, and see what's up. If ME3 does have Origin... it's a much stronger possibility now that I simply won't buy it on PC. Perhaps I'll have to suffice for the Xbox 360 version. Or none at all.

[Ghost-621]

abaris wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

They KNOW it's going to require Origin Spyware. Don't pay for that rights-stealing garbage.

If it's there I won't buy.

Buddy, I got one thing for you to see. THE MASS EFFECT 3 HOMEPAGE. WHAT DOES IT SAY: "PRE ORDER ORIGIN."

Good, I saved another.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:04 .

[Alex_SM]

It's a small sacrifice because we would successfully send a message to EA that we will buy the game without Origin and that would be a compelling argument for them to ship Mass Effect without Origin.  

I honestly think that, if the tactic is just "don't buy it" EA has already won. ME3 is probably sell a lot more copies than ME and ME2, and they are going to continue with Origin. 

As always big corporations do, they will say "F*** you, I don't care about people with principles".

I was happy ignoring EA and Activision games, until EA aquired Bioware. Now, after ME3 I'm also leaving BW. And I hope they don't buy any other of the developer companies I like. 

My only hope goes with the privacy law the EU is making. If it's hard enough, it may make some Origin features (and most of its EULA) illegal in the EU.

Modifié par Alex_SM, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[Thoth_Amon]

If I didn't buy BF3 because of Origin, I'm at -1 so I can buy ME3 and I'll be at 0 and 0 is okay.

Right?

[The Elder King]

Alex_SM wrote...


I honestly think that, if the tactic is just "don't buy it" EA has already won. ME3 is probably sell a lot more copies than ME and ME2, and they are going to continue with Origin. 

I'm not so sure. In my opinion it will see more or less like ME and ME2.

[adamross]

PDF from origin website

Some interesting thingz.

Modifié par adamross, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:13 .

[Random citizen]

hhh89 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Some humanitarian group should pay EA the ransom for Bioware and their ME/DA franchises.
I wonder how much they would demand? When they are free, then the gaming world can finally be at peace.

It's not like EA forced Bioware to join them. It was Bioware's decision to accept EA's offer.

Settle down commander.
What seems like a good offer can quicky turn sour. And then you suddenly sit knee deep in the mud with a corporate boot on your neck  forcing you to mix crap into your art, surrounded by upset fans.

Modifié par Random citizen, 08 janvier 2012 - 07:13 .

[Ghost-621]

Alex_SM wrote...

It's a small sacrifice because we would successfully send a message to EA that we will buy the game without Origin and that would be a compelling argument for them to ship Mass Effect without Origin.  

I honestly think that, if the tactic is just "don't buy it" EA has already won. ME3 is probably sell a lot more copies than ME and ME2, and they are going to continue with Origin. 

As always big corporations do, they will say "F*** you, I don't care about people with principles".

I was happy ignoring EA and Activision games, until EA aquired Bioware. Now, after ME3 I'm also leaving BW. And I hope they don't buy any other of the developer companies I like. 

My only hope goes with the privacy law the EU is making. If it's hard enough, it may make some Origin features (and most of its EULA) illegal in the EU.

Why don't you save yourself the trouble and leave Bioware in the heap it's in now?