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#126
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i guess there was this other dude posting this... but anyway:

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

"INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES."

says we have to use origin on pc, whereas

http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf
(accessed by clicking on the name of the game) states that its only required for the authentification-process.

did i miss some random info or do we have two conflicting agreements here?

Modifié par ttchip, 08 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .


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ttchip wrote...

i guess there was this other dude posting this... but anyway:

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

"INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES."

says we have to use origin on pc, whereas

http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf
(accessed by clicking on the name of the game) states that its only required for the authentification-process.

did i miss some random info or do we have two conflicting agreements here?


Well, we're ALL missing crucial info, but yeah, the two seem to disagree. Which makes things even more uneasy between BioWare/EA and ourselves.

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lets hope that in about 14 hours at the end of my working hours, on manday, Chris will have some words for us...

... other than LOCKDOWN that is. See you till then.

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I hope they realise that 'no information = no sale' and 'Origin mandatory = no sale'

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OperativeX wrote...
I hope they realise that 'no information = no sale' and 'Origin mandatory = no sale'

Those statements are not true for everyone.

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From an interview with one of ME3's designers:

'Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?'
'Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.'

Given that the information on the Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .


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OperativeX wrote...

I hope they realise that 'no information = no sale' and 'Origin mandatory = no sale'


There are a lot of people who think nothing of dropping their web-pants. Otherwise facebook, twitter and the likes wouldn't be that successful.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Given that the information on the
Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with
installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe
even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.


I'm also hoping that things are differently in Europe, since they even say so in the aboove mentioned EULA. Not even Sony got away with their little intrusion some ten years back.

Modifié par abaris, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .


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Sundance31us wrote...

OperativeX wrote...
I hope they realise that 'no information = no sale' and 'Origin mandatory = no sale'

Those statements are not true for everyone.


I think you're in the wrong thread Troll. The 'We love everything EA does' thread is that way ---------------------->

Have fun Image IPB

Modifié par OperativeX, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .


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Candidate 88766 wrote...

From an interview with one of ME3's designers:

'Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?'
'Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.'

Given that the information on the Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.


I bought Arkham City from the EA store.  It used Origin to download it, and after that I never needed Origin again.  I've been playing it since release just from the game's own executable, haven't touched Origin since.  So, this sounds about right when compared to how things are with Origin so far.

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OperativeX wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

OperativeX wrote...
I hope they realise that 'no information = no sale' and 'Origin mandatory = no sale'

Those statements are not true for everyone.


I think you're in the wrong thread Troll. The 'We love everything EA does' thread is that way ---------------------->

Have fun Image IPB

You really think pointing out the fact that people will buy this before receiving any information on Origin makes him a troll? Lots of people pre-ordered the PC version and none of them received any information, so he's stating the obvious.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .


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Candidate 88766 wrote...

From an interview with one of ME3's designers:

'Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?'
'Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.'

Given that the information on the Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.


Blocking and uninstalling spyware is not a simple task.  Not everyone is computer savy.  

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Good to see this thread. We really need some answers, and we need them soon. This is going on for way too long, and I don't suppose much people actually think there hasn't been a decision made some time ago. So just say it and get it over with.

I want to buy ME3, I want to play ME3. It's one of my most anticipated games ever. Origin requirement means I won't purchase and play it. As far as gaming goes this would break my heart.

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charmingcharlie wrote...
If those methods are used then again you are justifying EA's stand on using Origin to protect it's property.  Look you cannot "have your cake and eat it here" I am afraid it is one of those situations where you either "put up or shut up".  The only way to deal with Origin and send a clear message to EA is to avoid Mass Effect 3 and any other product from EA.  No half measures, no dodgy shenanigans just nice and simple "EA I am not touching your products at all till you remove Origin".

Now if enough people had the balls to do that you would soon see EA thinking that Origin is a bad idea and then you could "have your cake and eat it too".  We could easily get Mass Effect 3 with no Origin requirement but to do that means you will have to make a few small sacrifices, however from posts on this topic most are not willing to do that so Origin is here to stay.

I agree that Origin software is a bad idea, especially for a single player game. I am opposed to it. I also have the CE on pre-order with Amazon.ca, which I can cancel at any time or even return (unopened) to Amazon for refund at no cost, since they will even provide a postage prepaid label. I had Deus Ex on pre-order and found Steam was mandaotry. Back it went, no cost and I got a prompt refund.

So it's to my advantage to wait for more information; namely official word if Origin is mandatory or not, information on whether using Sandboxie is legal and will resolve some of my concerns. It's also to my advantage to be able to kill that pre-order because EA likes pre-orders. But I have no doubt that a CE version won't sit long at amazon if I cancel. My guess is that EA will force all DLC through Origin for PC users as a way of making Origin mandatory.

However, as to sending a message to EA. It's unlikely it will have any effect on EA policy. Somewhere EA decided to go with Origin and even a few thousand people deciding not to purchase ME 3 won't make any difference given how much money is at stake for EA to not only gain market share but perhaps even corner it on some platforms. So complaining about Origin is 'almost' pointless, yet your complaints should be aimed at the people in EA and BioWare who can do something about it -- forum mods don't make policy. I did write to EA with a copy to Mr. Hudson, some time ago voicing my concerns; zero answer from either. But a lot of sincere letters, phone calls to the right people, has more weight than empty rants in this forum. We're the only people reading them and most of us agree with them already.

As to purchasing ME 3. I probably will, so I can finish off the series and because of the time I've already invested and because I want to; it probably won't be with the CE version since that has a lot of DLC with it and I'll wait for the price to drop well after the release date. As to supporting EA beyond that; no. I no longer agree with all the added baggage with many games from most publishers now, both on the PC and consoles. I don't like the direction BioWare has been going with the DA series and ME 3 is the final, so that's the end of the line for me. I suspect it may be the end of an era. Perhaps eventually, enough people will give up on EA games but by then the industry will have shifted again. If there's hope it will be with the indie developers, assuming they don't get bought out. For me, there's always things to do that doesn't involve computer games.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .


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Ahglock wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

From an interview with one of ME3's designers:

'Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?'
'Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.'

Given that the information on the Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.


Blocking and uninstalling spyware is not a simple task.  Not everyone is computer savy.  

You don't have to be - thats what google is for. I personally wouldn't have the faintest clue how to block Origin, but I'm pretty sure google could tell me how to quite easily. I know my firewall sometimes stops programs accessing the internet, so I'm sure you could do that with Origin if you wanted to.

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Alex_SM wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I have a question. How come EA hasn't been punished for this? Isn't there some law somewhere that prohibits spying on people?


Not in USA it seems. 


..Because you "agreed" to let them check these things. When installing say, BF3, you have to accept these terms (among others) in order to install your game. Should you not agree with these terms and conditions, you simply can't install the game because the install wizard shuts down the moment you click "I Don't Agree" or w/e. Isn't that great, huh? :pinched:

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

From an interview with one of ME3's designers:

'Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?'
'Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.'

Given that the information on the Origin page is older than this, PC players may be able to get away with installing Origin, verifying the game, then either blocking or maybe even uninstalling Origin, unless you want to play online.


Blocking and uninstalling spyware is not a simple task.  Not everyone is computer savy.  

You don't have to be - thats what google is for. I personally wouldn't have the faintest clue how to block Origin, but I'm pretty sure google could tell me how to quite easily. I know my firewall sometimes stops programs accessing the internet, so I'm sure you could do that with Origin if you wanted to.


Sure, you can do that, I can do that.  But tons of people can't do that.  If more people knew how to use google to solve a tech issue they would probably get a better paying job than they currently have.  A ot of people have an irrational fear about mucking around with their computer.  It creates job security for the tech industry though, so go irrational fears.  

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WalkingBartie wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I have a question. How come EA hasn't been punished for this? Isn't there some law somewhere that prohibits spying on people?


Not in USA it seems. 


..Because you "agreed" to let them check these things. When installing say, BF3, you have to accept these terms (among others) in order to install your game. Should you not agree with these terms and conditions, you simply can't install the game because the install wizard shuts down the moment you click "I Don't Agree" or w/e. Isn't that great, huh? :pinched:


Gray area.  Prove who clicked the "Agree" button when it was installed.

Additionally,  a significant number of people who install it (Those under 18) aren't legally permitted to sign a contract,  making it null and void.

EA's got alot of problems here,  I'm pretty confident they're going to end up buried under an enourmous lawsuit.  Someone will sue them,  and then when people learn what it's actually doing...That's not going to end well at all.

Two days after the lawsuit gets filed,  you'll see about 4 million lawsuits claiming an 8 year old installed the game.

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This is one series that actually is bet on console it seems.

And I'm a PC gamer.

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:ph34r:[inappropriate comments removed]:ph34r:

Origin is the same as Steam, which has been around for years and hasn't been sued or failed because of customer dissatisfaction.

If anyone should be pissed, it should be Valve!

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:05 .


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charmingcharlie wrote...


^ this is the wrong way to go about things.  If you object to Origin so strongly then you have to put your money where your mouth is.  It is no good going "oh after this game blah de blah", if you really want to do something about Origin you have to make some small sacrifices and one of those is you don't get to play Mass Effect 3.  You see this is why EA is carrying on with Origin, they know if they sit it out they can ride through this and eventually people will accept it.


Check my tag. I'm Mr. Xbox 360. Research a bit hard for you?

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[quote]Mallissin wrote...
:ph34r:[inappropriate comments removed]:ph34r:

Origin is the same as Steam, which has been around for years and hasn't been sued or failed because of customer dissatisfaction.

If anyone should be pissed, it should be Valve![/quote]

I don't think that's the best way to look at it. Yes, piracy is an issue, but it's a very complex one. Companies should try to reward people who buy their games rather than punish people who buy their games by saddling them with DRM and software that pirates are just going to bypass anyway.

I'm not saying DRM should be done away with entirely. I think systems which reward users who register their games online is great (i.e. Blizzard allows you to download installers for any game you register with them, making installing on multiple machines very convenient). 

:ph34r:[quote edited]:ph34r:

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:06 .


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Good to see so many people up in arms about this.

Got the CE ordered for PC, not sure what to do if Origin is confirmed however, decisions...
:ph34r:[inappropriate comments removed]:ph34r:

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:06 .


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Don't expect a quick response from EA/BW, and just assume the worst. They're now busy trying to figure out how to overcome this sandboxing method, which only further solidifies the purpose of Origin.

 :ph34r:[inappropriate comments removed]:ph34r:

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:07 .


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There should be a Steam version. A lot of people refuse to use Origin.

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OP, you should just pre-order the game. I was holding off too, but the guy a gamestop made a good point. If you're on the fence it's easier to cancel then to wait and miss out. So I pre-ordered the CE and if I hear ME3 "needs" Origin, bam canceled. If not then I can ponder if the CE is even worth it.