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[SnakeStrike8]

Bah. This is going to be a hard call for me.
If all PC users wakes up one day and say' we're going to boycott Origin' and ME 3 doesn't sell a single copy on computers, Bioware's going to be in a serious hole. However much of the fanbase has shifted to the console market, there's still a sizeable number of PC gamers interested in this.
And that would be bad. I have no trouble imagining EA using bad PC sales as an excuse to shunt Bioware into console-exclusive development or worse, shutting them down like they did with Pandemic.
Decisions, mates! Decisions! Should we suffer the Origin to support Bioware? Or resist it and have Bioware pay the price?

[Cortyman]

Computer_God91 wrote...

OP, you should just pre-order the game. I was holding off too, but the guy a gamestop made a good point. If you're on the fence it's easier to cancel then to wait and miss out. So I pre-ordered the CE and if I hear ME3 "needs" Origin, bam canceled. If not then I can ponder if the CE is even worth it.

That's why I pre-ordered mine months ago. I didn't know when I ordered Skyrim that Steam would be required to play it, so that got forced on to me. But this Origin business.... I probably won't end up canceling, I'll just have to see what I can do about Sand-boxing it.

[Splinter Cell 108]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Bah. This is going to be a hard call for me.
If all PC users wakes up one day and say' we're going to boycott Origin' and ME 3 doesn't sell a single copy on computers, Bioware's going to be in a serious hole. However much of the fanbase has shifted to the console market, there's still a sizeable number of PC gamers interested in this.
And that would be bad. I have no trouble imagining EA using bad PC sales as an excuse to shunt Bioware into console-exclusive development or worse, shutting them down like they did with Pandemic.
Decisions, mates! Decisions! Should we suffer the Origin to support Bioware? Or resist it and have Bioware pay the price?

I doubt that they would close down BioWare just because the PC players decide to boycott. First, BioWare is an important part of EA otherwise they wouldn't be renaming old studios into BioWare Mythinc or BioWare Victory. BioWare is too important to just close it down because of bad business. Second, what would most likely and hopefully would happen is that either EA stops forcing Origin or changes Origin's functionality. But I don't think that's going to happen soon, maybe in the future.

I'd love to see EA pay for their greediness, forcing spyware upon the PC players is crossing the line. I guess we'll just have to hope that Origin isn't required, at least it wasn't for SWTOR which gives me hope. 

[Alex_SM]

It wouldn't be the first studio dissapearing a few years after being aquired by EA/Activision.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Alex_SM wrote...

It wouldn't be the first studio dissapearing a few years after being aquired by EA/Activision.

I would be surprised if they closed it IMO especially only because people refused to buy their cheap steam knockoff spyware program. BioWare is just too important or it appears to be important to be closed down because of a problem EA started. 

[magic space chicken]

ok what is so bad about origin its not like its a keylogger or will try to hack in to your steam etc etc, and all my pc is for is playing games, if all its doing is helping ea make beter games is it so bad? all so i think its not bioware's call

[True Zarken]

didymos1120 wrote...

The lack of answers makes me wonder if there's some internal dispute going on between the ME guys and the EA higher-ups about tying ME3 to Origin.

I very much hope this is the case, but when/if Bioware or EA announce that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin I will not hesitate to cancel my pre-order. 

[Ghost-621]

True Zarken wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

The lack of answers makes me wonder if there's some internal dispute going on between the ME guys and the EA higher-ups about tying ME3 to Origin.

I very much hope this is the case, but when/if Bioware or EA announce that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin I will not hesitate to cancel my pre-order. 

We already know people from the original Mass Effect/ KOTOR team have left the company because of the what it's turned into. Maybe those who feel the same but are still employed are growing vocal. Good. I hope so.

Though, I won't hold my breath. It's probably a sales tactic to preserve as many pre-orders as possible.

[Splinter Cell 108]

magic space chicken wrote...

ok what is so bad about origin its not like its a keylogger or will try to hack in to your steam etc etc, and all my pc is for is playing games, if all its doing is helping ea make beter games is it so bad? all so i think its not bioware's call

How do you know that the information that they are collecting is solely used to make better games? Nobody knows their motivations and even if they did tell us they could be lying. EA has a bad history, nobody is going to believe that they just want to "make games better". 

[magic space chicken]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

magic space chicken wrote...

ok what is so bad about origin its not like its a keylogger or will try to hack in to your steam etc etc, and all my pc is for is playing games, if all its doing is helping ea make beter games is it so bad? all so i think its not bioware's call

How do you know that the information that they are collecting is solely used to make better games? Nobody knows their motivations and even if they did tell us they could be lying. EA has a bad history, nobody is going to believe that they just want to "make games better". 

i dont but its the most likely thing imo

[Ghost-621]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

magic space chicken wrote...

ok what is so bad about origin its not like its a keylogger or will try to hack in to your steam etc etc, and all my pc is for is playing games, if all its doing is helping ea make beter games is it so bad? all so i think its not bioware's call

How do you know that the information that they are collecting is solely used to make better games? Nobody knows their motivations and even if they did tell us they could be lying. EA has a bad history, nobody is going to believe that they just want to "make games better". 

What's so bad about OriginSpyware? Read the whole article.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Ghost-621 wrote...

What's so bad about OriginSpyware? Read the whole article.

I wish people in the US would do the same thing as the Germans. 

[Boomer-Australia]

Trust EA to use origin, wish they could just settle their differences with Steam and solve the problem if only...

[magic space chicken]

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Trust EA to use origin, wish they could just settle their differences with Steam and solve the problem if only...

why dont they like steam?

and to be fair i only play games on my pc so what will they spy on?

Modifié par magic space chicken, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[AnsinJung]

I'm strongly reconsidering buying ME3 if Origin is required to play it. I might still get it, but if this is the way of the future with EA games, it'll be the last. I'll also do that "word of mouth" thing that is mentioned now and again at those meetings where important people gather round and discuss things like, "how do people hear about our product?" All of my friends will hear is that I was done with EA because they attempted to include a pseudo-legal invasion of privacy when selling me a game I really wanted to play.

If I have to choose between Diablo 3 and Mass Effect 3 considering my overall poor situation, the pendulum just swung the other direction.

This is honestly as bad as Wal-Mart trying to sell apples; wrinkly, stale, ghetto. Just because every company wants a piece of the pie doesn't mean they can mistreat their customers. Perhaps Opec can get away with it, but I'll pay for better produce, and better games. I may sound like I really care (I do) but it's still a luxury I can live without.

[Splinter Cell 108]

magic space chicken wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Trust EA to use origin, wish they could just settle their differences with Steam and solve the problem if only...

why dont they like steam?

and to be fair i only play games on my pc so what will they spy on?

Your programs, the things you do in the internet, your pc specs, your files and who knows what more. Its not that they don't like Steam, EA just wants money so they won't put their games on Steam. Origin is just a cheap copy of Steam with spyware. 

[Boomer-Australia]

magic space chicken wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Trust EA to use origin, wish they could just settle their differences with Steam and solve the problem if only...

why dont they like steam?

and to be fair i only play games on my pc so what will they spy on?

They had a dispute about sales I think it was about giving discounts on EA games or selling them cheaper so EA gets less of a profit one sec ill get a link 

These links basically gives you a timeline of events between the conflict

http://holdselect.co...m’s-reputation/
http://gamepolitics....team-and-origin
http://www.next-gen....eas-games-steam

[MadLaughter]

Bioware/Priestly know that Origin is going to be required and probably have for some time, and are choosing not to tell us until the last possible moment because they don't want to miss out on even one sale or cause negative headlines on a site like Kotaku. Bioware has a habit of not telling the fans anything that could possibly be viewed as negative about their own game. They didn't tell us Dragon Age 2 mod tools were never coming out, didn't tell us that Mordin's Voice Actor wasn't returning, and completely ignored this issue despite the thread consisting of dozens of pages and being open for months. They claimed they would look for answers just to shut us up and then never did. They know we don't want origin and so aren't telling us it's required because they are scared. It's stuff like this, treating your fans like trash that caused the metacritic user-review bombings. Be honest, straightforward and transparent. Don't be jerks, Bioware.

[Boomer-Australia]

MadLaughter wrote...

Bioware/Priestly know that Origin is going to be required and probably have for some time, and are choosing not to tell us until the last possible moment because they don't want to miss out on even one sale or cause negative headlines on a site like Kotaku. Bioware has a habit of not telling the fans anything that could possibly be viewed as negative about their own game. They didn't tell us Dragon Age 2 mod tools were never coming out, didn't tell us that Mordin's Voice Actor wasn't returning, and completely ignored this issue despite the thread consisting of dozens of pages and being open for months. They claimed they would look for answers just to shut us up and then never did. They know we don't want origin and so aren't telling us it's required because they are scared. It's stuff like this, treating your fans like trash that caused the metacritic user-review bombings. Be honest, straightforward and transparent. Don't be jerks, Bioware.

I prefer to blame EA makes me enjoy the games more... 

They will probably back out of orgin in a couple of years or sooner (hopefully) 

[Random citizen]

Ghost-621 wrote...

True Zarken wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

The lack of answers makes me wonder if there's some internal dispute going on between the ME guys and the EA higher-ups about tying ME3 to Origin.

I very much hope this is the case, but when/if Bioware or EA announce that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin I will not hesitate to cancel my pre-order. 

We already know people from the original Mass Effect/ KOTOR team have left the company because of the what it's turned into. Maybe those who feel the same but are still employed are growing vocal. Good. I hope so.

Though, I won't hold my breath. It's probably a sales tactic to preserve as many pre-orders as possible.

Who are these brave souls? What happened to them after they left? Its no easy thing walking away from your creations and the their legacy, especially if they are left at the mercy of EA.
I can imagine some other brave people staying in order to try and keep the beast at bay and save what can be saved.

Modifié par Random citizen, 09 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[hangmans tree]

I just saw some info (didnt bother to verify) about battlefield 3 loosing about 90,000 euros on Amazon alone! No wonder EA staff met with origins.de people to discuss the Origin soft and all concerns around it.
You see, something can and must be done akin to german protest. I do not want to be treated like a sheep. What will they force on us in 5 or 10 years time if we let'em?

[Fiery Phoenix]

MadLaughter wrote...

Bioware/Priestly know that Origin is going to be required and probably have for some time, and are choosing not to tell us until the last possible moment because they don't want to miss out on even one sale or cause negative headlines on a site like Kotaku. Bioware has a habit of not telling the fans anything that could possibly be viewed as negative about their own game. They didn't tell us Dragon Age 2 mod tools were never coming out, didn't tell us that Mordin's Voice Actor wasn't returning, and completely ignored this issue despite the thread consisting of dozens of pages and being open for months. They claimed they would look for answers just to shut us up and then never did. They know we don't want origin and so aren't telling us it's required because they are scared. It's stuff like this, treating your fans like trash that caused the metacritic user-review bombings. Be honest, straightforward and transparent. Don't be jerks, Bioware.

Unfortunately, this is precisely what I have suspected/observed over the past several months. Not good.

[Random citizen]

Where are the industry going these days?
To the land of doodly doodly doop in a corporate limo no doubt.
I hope we one day will see a big open source rpg franchise developed far away from suits and big money.

[Fredvdp]

WalkingBartie wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I have a question. How come EA hasn't been punished for this? Isn't there some law somewhere that prohibits spying on people?

Not in USA it seems. 

..Because you "agreed" to let them check these things. When installing say, BF3, you have to accept these terms (among others) in order to install your game. Should you not agree with these terms and conditions, you simply can't install the game because the install wizard shuts down the moment you click "I Don't Agree" or w/e. Isn't that great, huh? 

I don't know how it works in the USA but here in Europe I think a contract that violates the law (like privacy infringement) is not valid.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:22 .

[Raygereio]

Boomer-Australia wrote...
They will probably back out of orgin in a couple of years or sooner (hopefully) 

Highly doubtfull. EA - like pretty much everyone else in the industry - has been looking for a piece of the Steam pie for a long while. That and there's corporate level thinking: 
We have the following situation; a project that's failing and with problems that lie so deep the only possible sollution is to just scrap it and cut your losses. However you've already invested a lot of money in it, so naturally the only sollution worth to even think about is to throw more money and resources at it in the hope it does eventually succeed.

Honestly, personally I don't mind EA trying to compete with Steam. Heck, being the dirty capitalist that I am, I welcome competition. It's the shoddy and self-sabotaging execution of Origin that's defies commen sense. I mean look at it; when even the name of the platform is offensive to those with long memories, you can't help but wonder if the first line on the design document was  "make this as unappealing to our customers as possible".

Modifié par Raygereio, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .