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I have to say I think Dragon Age II was absolutely fantastic. Certainly one of my all-time favourite games and yes, I thought it was "better" than Dragon Age Origins, that is: I enjoyed it slightly more. Now if you ask me why I feel that way about it, I really need to think about how I could possibly formulate this because ultimately, I'm talking about a gut feeling and my very personal sense of enjoyment. I never entirely understood the need for rational arguments when defending an appreciation for what is, in my opinion, in many ways primarily an artistic achievement.
No amount of bullet point lists is ever going to convince me that I should like or dislike this or any other game. The best you can hope for is for the other side to understand *why* you like/dislike anything so that we can learn a bit from and about each other.
That said, about Dragon Age II I can say that I loved the characters, the storyline, the lore, the progression, the combat... But all of that sounds rather empty because it doesn't really convey my experience of the game. And that's the thing, really. There was a certain feel to Dragon Age II, a "je ne sais quoi" if you will :)
It might have something to do with the fact that I'm a guy who prefers tabletop RPGs over video games, and DA2 somehow feels a lot like a good ol' D&D campaign. Maybe it's that.
Or maybe it's just how strange and unique this game is among other video games. There are a lot of things about it that are really quite... Weird, when you think about it. How the first act is all about just trying to make some money to achieve a higher status in the world for yourself, just trying to provide for your family. That's just so... non-epic but it's one of the things that make me feel connected to Hawke in a much more personal way. Another unusual thing about this game's plot is how it's not one giant story culminating in the unlikely hero defeating the ultimate evil. I certainly enjoy stories like that, but here we have multiple different, rather unconventional stories loosely connected to each other, never really resolving the overarching problems of the world. It's more of a portrait of the world and Hawke's place in it than it is an epic quest. I don't know any other games that do this. It's weird because normally I'm all for epic quests and I don't enjoy too much political mumbo-jumbo in my storylines. But here it just feels so personal, so sincere, the way it is done. Like it's not really a game that tries to satisfy the player's ego but really just an interactive artistic expression. It's just so different and fascinating. I don't know. I really can't quite say what it is... But it beckons me to explore Kirkwall's streets again.
That's another thing. During my first playthrough of the game, I was a bit annoyed by the recurring environments, like everyone else. But when I look back afterwards... I find myself missing the familiar surroundings of Kirkwall somehow. The concept of playing a protagonist who inhabits a relatively limited environment, getting to know it extremely well over the hours and in-game years, is strangely compelling now. It starts to feel like home. It's easy to come up with cynical explanations for this choice but I choose not to do that, appreciating rather how this is one of the things that set Dragon Age II apart from other games, both from Bioware and other studios. And I have to say... Towards the end of the game... I was so caught up in the personal struggles of Hawke and his friends that the finale actually felt more epic to me than defeating the Archdemon... Because I had guided my friend Hawke through a difficult time and found myself at a crossroads in the history of Thedas. Maybe my Hawke didn't really change anything, but he did see himself and his friends through an incredibly chaotic time with his integrity intact. It's a tiny, hugely personal victory against the backdrop of a world that may be falling apart, but somehow, that makes it all the more special.

This may be a worthless post because it's not really saying anything substantial, but then again, what little it has to say at least hasn't been said a thousand times before on this forum.

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the voice acting was good, the music was good, the background setting was good

everything else...

not so much...

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Realmzmaster wrote...


I like the old saying: When life throws lemons at you make lemonade. It is a cool refreshing drink.



Well, I would agree that DA2 was a lemon :wizard:

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Joy Divison wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...


I like the old saying: When life throws lemons at you make lemonade. It is a cool refreshing drink.



Well, I would agree that DA2 was a lemon :wizard:


You say DA2 is a lemon so I made lemonade sat down and enjoyed the game.:o

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DA II was my second favorite game of the year, but that's not to say I didn't like it. I did. I think the number of times I've played it through gives ample testimony of that. The game had to grow on me a little, but I think that's because, like a lot of other folk, I expected a "Son of Origiins" experience.

Once I learned to take the game as it was, I learned to love it. Thank you Bioware. I bought Legacy and Mark of the Assassin so that I could continue to play, so you must be doing something right. I know you all are going to kick bottom with DA (whatever the next title will be).

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I am a bit late to the party as I've finished DA2 only recently. So now I must confess that I'm one of those weird persons who loved it to bits and believe that it is better than DAO)

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Koire wrote...

I am a bit late to the party as I've finished DA2 only recently. So now I must confess that I'm one of those weird persons who loved it to bits and believe that it is better than DAO)


You're not alone. I agree with you. There are a few things from Origins that I missed in Dragon Age II but on the whole, I pefer Dragon Age II. 
I'd still say my favourite game from 2011 is Skyrim but Dragon Age II is a close second. Yes, I'm aware they are about as different as you can get within the WRPG genre.
If anyone cares, my opinion on other games:

I played The Witcher and a little bit of the Witcher 2, and while it looks gorgeous and I admire its open-ended storytelling, is not my cup of tea. Too cynical, too political in tone. I need a more mythical feel in my fantasy (that's just my taste). I also felt stuck to an already existing protagonist I couldn't relate to, defeating the purpose of roleplaying in my opinion. I also felt forced into a play style that didn't necessarily appeal to me. Plus I really hated the camera and the combat. So, while I respect it, I didn't like it.

Divinity II: The Dragon Knight Saga! I maybe biased because this is a game from my tiny little home country of Belgium, but Ireally enjoyed it. The graphics are... not very good, but the story is very cool, the dialogue is funny and well-written and the gameplay is tactical and fun, although it does get too twitchy later on, in my opinion.

Two Worlds II: I was actually really looking forward to this one but it disappointed me. The controls are horrid, the voice acting is a joke and the world feels very unimaginative. I do applaud the game for its original and creative take on magic and its sheer ambition in the world's size etc. But it keeps feeling like a wannabe Elder Scrolls, unfortunately.

Drakensang River of Time: I played the first Drakensang, which I really enjoyed but had some criticims of. This one addresses them all. I admit I kind of dropped it when Skyrim came out but I'll be coming back to it. Seems like a great, great game, especially for those who enjoyed Baldur's Gate and DA:O. It is very slow, but highly atmospheric and fun.

I tried getting into The Old Republic but it doesn't seem to work out. The MMO gameplay is just not for me. Too bad because I adore the setting, the lore, the voice acting,... Oh well.

So that leaves me with 2 video games in the RPG genre that I really loved: Skyrim and Dragon Age II.

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I also enjoyed it quite a lot. I can also say it was one of my favorites at the time it came out. The big thing for me was style. The mages in the game are one of my favorite it any game, they felt more like battle mages, rather than bearded old dudes with wizard hats. Which was a plus. The rogue class also interested me a lot since they made him really flashy and cool. This is just a preference on characters and classes. Not really what defines a game, but instead sets it up.

In terms of gameplay I think the game was really solid, keeping everything fast paced, the battle's were fun and entertaining. The story was good but the key moments we're when the chapters started and ended, everything in the middle was slower but not horrible.

Armor Wise, most of the armors looked great, but would of liked a little diversity since most of them we're useless to use and looked the same as the other anyways, so besides the unique items it felt sort of the same to me.

In terms of big issues I had, they were the same things that have been stated before. It's the Re-use of maps ( sorry if you're sick of hearing it but it's true XD), cave A is cave B, C and D just with a different exit and entrance. Which to me kinda took me away from the experience. I understand the game might of been packed with other things, but if you're going to re-use, it should at least change in some way more than just the entrances (which I'm also going to point out, some places used the same entrance and exit, and they we'rent even the same area). Also Kirkwall although amazing at first it suffered the same fate as the dungeons, if it stays the same, it becomes boring. They should of made every year to look differently. Like Lowtown has more rubble from beat up houses, and hightown becomes more flashy.

And last but not least, I liked that every character had a good skill tree. But to limit each character to a certain role was a big turnoff for me (not the first time I played the game but for the subsequent playthrough's) I mean, how many times did I wan't to stop using Aveline, just to realize that my current party build requires a full tank, not just a tanky/dps (fenris). I would of liked that characters could be more than just their set role. Same thing happened with Merril and Anders, which on my first playtrhough I used Anders. But by the second I wanted to use Merril, but couldn't cause she didn't have any healing tree. So basically I was stuck with Ander's for every none mage playthrough.

Even though I pointed flaws in the game it is still a great game and one that I love to play again everyone once in a while, just to see some of the things I may have missed. And like any game sometimes you have to take risk's to bring a new experience to the players. In this case a lot of good things got mixed with the bad, the game suffered a bit because of that.

Regardless I still think Bioware did a good job, even though they took a lot of heat.

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But as much as I despise Skyrim, I liked being  a Dovahkiin.



I don't want to derail, but you don't like Skyrim?!?!

Ohh, and DA2 is an abomination. 

Ironically that's your only registered game.

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I will never understand how people can dislike DA2 but love Skyrim? Skyrim was a steaming pile of horse s----!! Just like the ones before it.

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PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I will never understand how people can dislike DA2 but love Skyrim? Skyrim was a steaming pile of horse s----!! Just like the ones before it.


Sorry, but I enjoyed both. I think I can do that....

However, the strengths are different for each RPG. For myself, I enjoy the story, dialogue,and writing of the DA series. But I also am fond of the game mechanics placed into TES:V. I like being able to create the character I wish to play, and having the ability to meld the classes as I desire; not just play a single defined class.

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Elhanan wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I will never understand how people can dislike DA2 but love Skyrim? Skyrim was a steaming pile of horse s----!! Just like the ones before it.


Sorry, but I enjoyed both. I think I can do that....

However, the strengths are different for each RPG. For myself, I enjoy the story, dialogue,and writing of the DA series. But I also am fond of the game mechanics placed into TES:V. I like being able to create the character I wish to play, and having the ability to meld the classes as I desire; not just play a single defined class.

Ah so you are a geek then......that is different.See I too enjoy the story ,dialogue and writing .And also the characters and my character had a backstory and a childhood . Yet the characters in skyim are so boring and dull tho the open world was nice and it ends there. 

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PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Ah so you are a geek then......that is different.See I too enjoy the story ,dialogue and writing .And also the characters and my character had a backstory and a childhood . Yet the characters in skyim are so boring and dull tho the open world was nice and it ends there. 


Boring and dull marriages and romances; perhaps. But not all of the NPC's share this trait.

I rather enjoy the various leaders met around the lands of Skyrim, be it as friends or adversaries. And a certain Orc librarian never fails to give me a smile.

Is the writing of DA superior? Yes, I believe so in my opinion. I love the stories of DAO and DA2, and have spent hours in game searching to hear missed dialogue.

But I have also spent 800+ hrs in Skyrim finding missed dungeons, ruins, tombs, rtc, as well as various class designs. And I still have yet to see everything, and the mods are now appearing.

It hardly ends there....

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Elhanan wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Ah so you are a geek then......that is different.See I too enjoy the story ,dialogue and writing .And also the characters and my character had a backstory and a childhood . Yet the characters in skyim are so boring and dull tho the open world was nice and it ends there. 


Boring and dull marriages and romances; perhaps. But not all of the NPC's share this trait.

I rather enjoy the various leaders met around the lands of Skyrim, be it as friends or adversaries. And a certain Orc librarian never fails to give me a smile.

Is the writing of DA superior? Yes, I believe so in my opinion. I love the stories of DAO and DA2, and have spent hours in game searching to hear missed dialogue.

But I have also spent 800+ hrs in Skyrim finding missed dungeons, ruins, tombs, rtc, as well as various class designs. And I still have yet to see everything, and the mods are now appearing.

It hardly ends there....

You are a PC user? That changes things a bit...
You have mods and money cheats .... we don't and after you have raided every tomb,dungeon,and ruin then what.

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PinkDiamondstl wrote...

You are a PC user? That changes things a bit...
You have mods and money cheats .... we don't and after you have raided every tomb,dungeon,and ruin then what.


There seems to be plenty of money cheats in a game that has more Bucket On the Head vids than I can count; also Stealthing, Blocking, armors, etc It is up to the players if theu wish to use such exploits or not; the PC simply makes this easier.

And again, after 800+ hrs, I have yet to raid every one of those locations; still stuff to do.

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Skyrim is probably the best game I have ever played, by the way. To my tastes anyway. I don't care if you like it or not but calling it a pile of horse s---- just sounds silly and shrill to me. I wouldn't call any game that unless it was truly insultingly abominable, like that E.T. game from the eighties :)

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I thoroughly enjoyed DA2. Played it through 4 times and am starting a 5th because Skyrim is so boring.

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Same here. Adored DA:O, but loved DA2 more, in spite of those technical gripes which have caused so much ire. They just really didn't bother me that much because everything else appealed to me more.
The music is particularly good: the pervasive tone of melancholy is perfectly set up by the opening theme, and that plangent cello line in Hawke Estate always brought a lump to my throat.
I found that not having a mute protagonist was a great improvement, but, then again, I don't mind not being able to stamp my personality all over the character. The emotional depth which was achieved by the full voicing more than compensated for the comparative lack of scope for characterisation as far I was concerned. And the voice-acting was excellent, I thought.
I would be very sad if this set of characters (and one rogue mage, in particular, in spite of the way in which he polarised opinions...) were confined to a footnote in subsequent games: they had enough life, to my mind, to carry them through a whole new one!

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I summed up my feelings on why I loved the game in the Dragon Age "Hate" thread.

Lets just say I was both wordy in how this game was better than the first and why, while less epic than saving the world, had a protagonist that felt much more real and why saving their small part of it seemed much more epic in comparison.

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Really the only thing I liked more about Origins was probably getting to pick a unique race. Playing as an elf, a dwarf, and a human all had unique impacts on the story and how you role played your character, provided you didn't use self inserts for each one. Not to mention the branches in races, like commoner/nobler, city/dalish, and mage varieties.

That's something I'd loooovvveee to see come back but it looks like that won't be the case. Bioware seems to favor the set uniform protagonist in favor of a more varied character.
I still miss the race selection. If you put a player in a fantasy setting you should give him the option to be a more fantastical person than a boring old human.

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I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that liked it...I think I've played it more than any game I've ever owned. I guess the story is what caught my interest...in DAO I played mage more than anything because the whole templar/chantry/mage thing appealed to me. I remember playing the game and thinking about how interesting it would be if the mages threw off their shackles and when DA2 came out and that was what it was about I just loved it...yeah I know a majority of people prefer the templar side but I'm pro mage. Now if they would just put out another dlc or announce something about DA3 I'd be thrilled.

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I dunno, i like DA2 but def not my fav game of 2011, maybe if they didn't recycle the same 7 dungeons thru out a 40 hour rpg or if act 3 didn't fall apart so badly? i'll say DA2 has my fav cast of charecters in 2011 though (saint's row the 3rd comes pretty close though, johnny gatt *sob*)

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40 hours helps me a bit to understand why some may not have enjoyed the game like me, because all my sessions were double that or more, I believe. I know I logged 300+ hrs overall, and still was finding undiscovered dialogue.

And Orsino as the exception, I enjoyed Act 3. My only speedbump was my first playthrough when I still requred a Healer at the end, so someone was still breathing I would have preffered to have buried. Other than that, I am content.

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Well, the game is not really a favourite of mine, but I also spent over 70 hours on it in one playthrough.

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I really, really loved DA2 as well! <3