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[Game_Fan_85]

Rahelron wrote...

People stay quiet as long as there's no one who starts saying that DA2 is the game of the year.
DA2 game of the year? The same year of The Witcher 2? The same year of SKYRIM??
Don't make me laugh.

DA2 can compete with the Witcher 2 on some features (combat, customization,
freedom in characterizing the main character) but gets owned in every
other way.

DA2 can't compete with SKYRIM. Pure and simple.
Someone might not like first person view and the lack of "real"
cutscenes, but if he manages to get used to those features he simply
can't prefer DA2 over Skyrim.

I loved Skyrim, but to say no one can possibly prefer DA2 to Skyrim is a bit pathetic.  That is called an opinion, not a fact. 

I played the damn thing for 3 weeks straight and forced myself to stop after 220hrs with all achievments, I was addicted.  Not bad considering I thought the 2 or 3 hours I managed to play of Oblivion were as much fun as watching paint dry.  I also dislike most first person games but I loved it in Skyrim, despite Bethesda's claims of improving the 3rd person mode, it was awful beyond belief.  Whilst Skyrim was fun and addictive, as has already been pointed out it has no characters or companions to get attached to and although I enjoyed the stories, they were still nowhere near as good as a full written narative.  The amount of books in the game astounded me though, I thought the notes and stuff in the Dragon Age games were impressive until I played Skyrim.

Also, although Skyrim was an amazing game, I have NO IDEA how the hell Bethesda received so many developer of the year awards.  Anyone that puts out a game with as many rediculous game breaking bugs as Skyrim should be winning no awards!

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 11 janvier 2012 - 08:40 .

[Il Divo]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

*looks at threat title*

I'm sorry, tc.
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*reads more*

Okay, ARKHAM CITY? Dragon Age 2 BETTER than ARKHAM CITY?

Hahahahaha,
oh wow. Arkham City mops the floor with DA 2 in every aspect: story,
characters, gameplay, graphics, atmosphere. It's not even fair.

If you want a good RPG play something like The Witcher 2 or wair for Risen 2 and Kingdoms of Amalur.

Arkham City was a disappointment to me personally, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as Asylum and I lost interest fairly quickly.  I have gone back and tried to finish it but have not done so yet.  I would like to have played the Withcher 2 last year but there is no way my laptop could handle it, especially considering how the first game ran, which was released well over 6 months before my laptop was released.  I will play it when the 360 version is released.

I loved Arkham City, but I gotta say the story was one of the more disappointing I've encountered in a game. I think in emphasizing comic book Batman, they spent way too much time trying to cram in all the villains and less time writing a compelling narrative.

[Game_Fan_85]

akayasha wrote...

Dragon Age 2 (and most people agree with this) isn't an AWFUL game, but the reason why it got criticized much was the because Origins is considered so much better. I do agree that the chracters made the game interesting. For me, only a few characters were interesting. (Varric, Aveline)

This is why I think that DA2 should never have included the "2" in the title.  It feels like more of a "gaiden" or side story to Origins than a sequel in my opinion.  I still think that if DA2 had been marketed as such, as a gap filler until a real DA2 was released (which I guess will be DA3), there would not have been so much hate towards it.

As much as I love the game I am well aware of it's faults.  The first time I played it I decided to kill a certain person because I believed he commited a crime yet in the next act the real killer showed up and killed someone close to Hawke.  I thought "aha!  I wont make THAT mistake again!"  The second time I played it I let him go but THE SAME THING HAPPEND!  Another instance was when in one of my later playthroughs I had that cute Templar thrown out of the order after saving him from being possesed yet the exact same cut scene played later when he helped kidnap Bethany/Carver and he was magically a Templar again.  Those aspects disappointed me greatly but it was easy enough to look past them.  I did also wish that Hawke showed some emotion when "that" death happened and also that the scene with his LI afterwards had been a bit more involved.

As for the repeasted areas, would it be nitpicky to point out that I travered the exact same place 100's of times in Skyrim?  The layout of caves, buildings, fortresses etc were very very familiar more than once!

[LobselVith8]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

This is why I think that DA2 should never have included the "2" in the title.  It feels like more of a "gaiden" or side story to Origins than a sequel in my opinion.  I still think that if DA2 had been marketed as such, as a gap filler until a real DA2 was released (which I guess will be DA3), there would not have been so much hate towards it.

I don't think that would have solved the problem. Origins was a made designed and intended for old school fans of RPGs, heavily promoting the idea that it was a "spiritual successor" to Bauldur's Gate, so the deviation into hack and slack wouldn't go well with those fans regardless. Also, people like myself take issue with the story - mages are stupid, templars are sadists, Hawke is ridiculously passive. It makes the dichotomy between mages and templars pointless when the two groups are little more than caricatures, including their leaders. Those problems wouldn't be solved by removing '2' from the game and calling it Exdous (which I believe was discussed by the developers).

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

As much as I love the game I am well aware of it's faults.  The first time I played it I decided to kill a certain person because I believed he commited a crime yet in the next act the real killer showed up and killed someone close to Hawke.  I thought "aha!  I wont make THAT mistake again!"  The second time I played it I let him go but THE SAME THING HAPPEND! 

 
I didn't like that quest, and not simply because what happens at the end is pretty much forgotten about by Hawke soon afterward - what bothers me is how Hawke can find evidence of an accomplice to the serial killer, and Hawke does nothing about it.

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Another instance was when in one of my later playthroughs I had that cute Templar thrown out of the order after saving him from being possesed yet the exact same cut scene played later when he helped kidnap Bethany/Carver and he was magically a Templar again.  Those aspects disappointed me greatly but it was easy enough to look past them. 

 
For me, I didn't like the quest - it's an example of the problem with the entire narrative, where the motivations of the enemies simply fall flat and make little sense. Decimus makes no sense, Tahrone looks like a crack addict, Grace doesn't make any sense, and the other antagonists aren't much different - including the two Big Bads. "Best Served Cold" is a quest where the antagonist's reason for being insane and angry at Hawke is completely absurd, in a game where virtually all but one of the mage antagonists are insane and stupid, and almost all the templars are sadists and killers. The story DLCs aren't much different - with Hawke messing things up each time, and letting the bad guy go in each DLC storyline.

[Masako52]

I also prefer Dragon Age 2 to Skyrim.

Why? I love the DA2 characters and the dynamics between them. Skyrim is fun, but not memorable to me because it's just you. It's a different style, I'm not saying Skyrim is bad. But I enjoy DA2 more.

I'm not sure if DA2 is my favorite game of 2011 but it's up there. I liked it. Haters gonna hate.

[Gotholhorakh]

If you consider DA2 to be better than Skyrim, Arkham City, Deus Ex:Human Revolution, SW:TOR, The Witcher 2 and everything else released in 2011, you are probably in a very very select group of people indeed.

I will never understand it, but good for you.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[gotthammer]

Of the stuff I've bought last year, Dragon Age 2 was the most disappointing.
The only other games I think I was disappointed in were RAGE (technical issues and felt too short, but I did have fun...I wish they'd expand on it like Borderlands), BF3 (my fault: old PC and I don't have Win7 hehehe), and Space Marine (again, mostly my fault: old PC)

Stuff I enjoyed last year and had zero regrets spending cash on:
- The Witcher 2
- Skyrim
- Deus Ex: HR (then again, I got this one via the Steam sale)
- a Playstation 3 and Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 and Heavenly Sword

re: SW:TOR
lost interest. never really liked the art style, but I did want to play it for the story. no Asian release, tho', and the copies at the store are too pricey for non-Collector's Editions. maybe someday...

I just hope Mass Effect 3 won't be a disappointment.
In any case, if it is, there are a lot of there interesting titles to look forward to this year (Kingdoms of Amalur, Crusader Kings 2, RE:Op.Raccoon City, etc.)

[Shevy]

DA II is at the top of one of my lists, the "most disappointing" one. That said, it's not bad per se but compared to Origins it doesn't deserve "Dragon Age" in its title.
Favourite games are :
- Skyrim ( Can't describe, how much I love the Nordic setting)
- Rayman Origins ( Endless fun with the multiplayer)
- Batman: Arkham City ( Just great)

Modifié par Shevy_001, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[Darth Death]

I don't share the same enthusiasm. All I want now is for DA3 to be WAY better than DA2. If that's able to happen, then I'll be super happy.

[Ferretinabun]

Just because no thread discussing games of 2011 should be allowed without a mention of Portal 2!

Phew, better now...

Ps, glad you enjoyed DA2, but I've still got my fingers crossed DA3 is going to be much better. There's plenty of room for improvement.

[Game_Fan_85]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

This is why I think that DA2 should never have included the "2" in the title.  It feels like more of a "gaiden" or side story to Origins than a sequel in my opinion.  I still think that if DA2 had been marketed as such, as a gap filler until a real DA2 was released (which I guess will be DA3), there would not have been so much hate towards it.

I don't think that would have solved the problem. Origins was a made designed and intended for old school fans of RPGs, heavily promoting the idea that it was a "spiritual successor" to Bauldur's Gate, so the deviation into hack and slack wouldn't go well with those fans regardless. Also, people like myself take issue with the story - mages are stupid, templars are sadists, Hawke is ridiculously passive. It makes the dichotomy between mages and templars pointless when the two groups are little more than caricatures, including their leaders. Those problems wouldn't be solved by removing '2' from the game and calling it Exdous (which I believe was discussed by the developers).

I am thinking in terms of Japanese games but a lot of the time "Gaiden" titles were not just side stories to a main series but they also played very differently.  Seiken Densetsu ~Final Fantasy Gaiden~ on the Game Boy is a good example.  It took FF from a traditional RPG to an Action RPG.  It was so popular Square dropped the "FF Gaiden" title when they made Seiken Densetsu 2 (Secret of Mana) for the SFC.  This is kind of what I had in mind with the whole "Gaiden" thing for DA2.  They changed the game so much and wanted to try something new so I think that if it wasn't seen as a direct sequel to DA:O and thus changing everything the old BioWare fans loved about the first game, it could have been seen in a different light.  It is the same result in the end, BioWare will take the best bits of DA2 that most people liked and mix them back with the DA:O formula and create DA3 from there.  If what I said about the Gaiden" stuff was implemented, I doubt we'd see as many "Dragon Age is dooooooomed!!  I will never buy another one!  BioWare was ruined by EA!!" etc etc.  I'm rambling now but I hope my point is made clear, it seemed harder to explain than it seems in my head.

LobselVith8 wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

As much as I love the game I am well aware of it's faults.  The first time I played it I decided to kill a certain person because I believed he commited a crime yet in the next act the real killer showed up and killed someone close to Hawke.  I thought "aha!  I wont make THAT mistake again!"  The second time I played it I let him go but THE SAME THING HAPPEND! 

 
I didn't like that quest, and not simply because what happens at the end is pretty much forgotten about by Hawke soon afterward - what bothers me is how Hawke can find evidence of an accomplice to the serial killer, and Hawke does nothing about it.

I agree.  I do think that a lot of the story problems were part of the whole "rushed" feel to the game.  To me it feels like there is a good 30% of the planned story missing, especially the final act.  I kept thinking all year that as much as I looooooved the game and it was my favourite experience of 2011, I keep wondering what the game would have been like if it was released in Oct last year or Feb this year....

[astreqwerty]

Da2 is mediocre at best..it contained some of the best characters ive ever seen in a video game(izzie,varic,aveline) but other than that a big meh...

[leeboi2]

It wasn't terrible...It wasn't terrible at all. You only say it's terrible because it's Bioware that made it; if it was some ****ty little Indie company that had never made a game before it would be the best thing ever...You gaiz are tards.

[DiTHmaphacks]

Yeah man i agree completely.
It was my "best" game played also in 2011.
After Dark Souls,Skyrim,Arkham City,Mass Effect 2,Witche 2,Portal 2,Dead Space 2,Yakuza 4,Bastion.
It is tied with Rage as the most Overrated and Disappointing games of 2011 and if i had the chance to get a refund for a game in 2011 it would be it.

But i think once in a while its ok to mess things up.Lets hope for better games in the future.

Modifié par DiTHmaphacks, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[sirianb]

I still think Dragon Age 2 is a piece of crap, and I am still mad I paid full price for that piece of crap. Whomever, recommended they rush out that piece of crap should have their prestige, salary, and rank reduced in the corporation. The game only sold well, because it had "2" in it's title, but it's still an inferior game to Origins. If they had simply named it a different name, had some company like Obsidian make the exact same game, it would not have sold nearly as well. People bought the name of the game and not the game itself.

Modifié par sirianb, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[KLUME777]

Dragon Age 2 is the worst game i own.

[TEWR]

leeboi2 wrote...

It wasn't terrible...It wasn't terrible at all. You only say it's terrible because it's Bioware that made it; if it was some ****ty little Indie company that had never made a game before it would be the best thing ever...You gaiz are tards.

It'd still be a horrible game to me no matter who made it.

[Mike_Neel]

It's an alright game. It's not as good as Bioware markets it but it's not as bad as the internet makes it out to be either.

It's a solid 7 in my eyes. I'm currently doing a 3rd playthrough right now and still would like to do an archer play, a sword and shield play, and a duel dagger scoundrel play.
That said I'm still not done playing through Origins either. I still have some runs through it I would like to do, including doing a full completion with each race, and possibly some more plays on races already finished, just different styles.

Origins probably has more roleplay options and is the better roleplaying game (as in actual roll play your character). But 2 had more interesting characters. I feel satisfied with both games and look forward to playing them even more. Plus with the new direction the DAII DLC is going it really looks like Bioware actually kind of maybe listens to feedback. If they hold true to their promise to find a good balance between Origins and II for 3 then I'd be happy. I trust them (kind of). Mass appeal may have hurt II more than it should have, but I think bioware is aware of that, even if they can't actually outright say so publicly.

[Gemini1179]

I always find it funny that these posts that talk about how DA2 was their favorite game of the year tend to go on to say things like: "DA2 was far from perfect I know. Did it have only 6 battle maps repeated over and over again through the whole game? Sure. Did the last chapter feel like a rushed mess with 60% of the intended story missing? Yes it did."

So... in spite of all that- and it strikes me as being pretty significant, DA2 was your favorite game of the year? Power to you.

It's interesting. I think I played DA2 so much because I was on a self-imposed game budget this year and didn't buy anything else until Skyrim came out. I haven't touched DA2 since a week after MotA came out and I haven't had any inkling to.

I really do hope they clear things up in DA3 although I won't hold my breath... I'll be playing The Old Republic.

[Bfler]

You can say it is the best RPG of 2011 if you list them all backwards.

Joking aside. For me it is one of the few games in my life of which I regret that I have bought it.

[rockstyle6]

kingjezza wrote...

It was the worst game I played.

I just wanted to let Bioware know that as well.

Nothing against DA:O but DA2 was terrible ( for BioWAre conditions )

Modifié par rockstyle6, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:27 .

[Heimdall]

Gemini1179 wrote...

I always find it funny that these posts that talk about how DA2 was their favorite game of the year tend to go on to say things like: "DA2 was far from perfect I know. Did it have only 6 battle maps repeated over and over again through the whole game? Sure. Did the last chapter feel like a rushed mess with 60% of the intended story missing? Yes it did."

So... in spite of all that- and it strikes me as being pretty significant, DA2 was your favorite game of the year? Power to you.

It's a matter of prioritizing which parts of the game have the most relevence to one's opinion.  Some people have different priorities.  Myself, I thought act 3 was annoyingly incomplete but the rest of the game's story was enjoyable enough that it didn't bring down my opinion too badly.  The repeated maps bothered me but clearly not as much as many players.

Granted, I don't classify DA2 as my favorite game of the year.  It's up there though.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[LinksOcarina]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

I always find it funny that these posts that talk about how DA2 was their favorite game of the year tend to go on to say things like: "DA2 was far from perfect I know. Did it have only 6 battle maps repeated over and over again through the whole game? Sure. Did the last chapter feel like a rushed mess with 60% of the intended story missing? Yes it did."

So... in spite of all that- and it strikes me as being pretty significant, DA2 was your favorite game of the year? Power to you.

It's a matter of prioritizing which parts of the game have the most relevence to one's opinion.  Some people have different priorities.  Myself, I thought act 3 was annoyingly incomplete but the rest of the game's story was enjoyable enough that it didn't bring down my opinion too badly.  The repeated maps bothered me but clearly not as much as many players.

Granted, I don't classify DA2 as my favorite game of the year.  It's up there though.

I honestly think this speaks volumes for the game as a whole. Mainly because a lot of us see good in it, despite the problems it does have. Kind of like a flawed movie or novel that is hailed as a classic in years to come. It is a mark of a good game not because of the changes or the story or anything like that, but because we continue to talk about it.

[billy the squid]

I'm more inclined to see it as something which makes one wince, rather than it being a classic of any sort. Paticularly when given the quality of the previous products, hence we continue to talk about how it could have gone so wrong.

Modifié par billy the squid, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:13 .