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[KnightofPhoenix]

Good on you op. It's rare for people who like the game to say it so openly, seeing how many were driven away because of the admittedly hostile shall we say atmosphere. as evidenced by the not so constructive first comments.

I personally not only found DA2 to be the most disappointing game of 2011 that couldn't hold a slimmer of a candle to my favorite of the year (which also happens to be my favorite ever), I say without any exaggeration that it is the game I was disappointed with the most ever and the game that irritates me the most (disappointing, not bad mind you. Mediocre at best imo). An opinion I've shared a lot of times with a lot more detail.

In any case, I am glad you enjoyed it so op.

[The Executioner]

Skyrim
DA2
 Skyrim's great but could have been better . Looking forward two KOA and Mass Effect 3. The marriage system was a complete failure Beth.

[Fast Jimmy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I thought it was brilliant because of the progression of Anders as a character, honestly. They handled it well, it came out of nowhere even though I thought he was up to no good, and it made me think about what to do come endgame.

I didn't have a true problem with Anders' action, in and of itself, truly. He did what he thought he had to do, for whatever reason. The whole thing can be debated.

But that's not what I am talking abouit. When I saw how Act 3 began, with Meredith and Orsino arguing in the streets, I knew that was going to be how that act ended - with a fight between Meredith and Orsino. Each Act was pretty predictable in that fashion. Act 1 started out with Varric approaching you about going into the Deep Roads - so Act 1 ended with you going into the Deep Roads with Varric. Act 2 started out with the Viscount talking to you about the Qunari - so Act 2 ended with the Qunari attacking the Viscount's residence. Act 3 started out with Meredith and Orsino arguing - and they both go into a battle royale at the end of the act. And since I think the Mage/Templar conflict was stupid in DA2, I desperately wanted to avoid it, if at all possible. 

I knew the game only lasted 3 acts, so when I saw Meredith and Orsino fighitng, I immediately knew how the game was going to end. While there was a twist with Anders and Meredith's evil magic sword of doom, it was the ending  I knew was going to happen the second Act 3 began. And so I resent Anders for doing what he did and ENSURING that my Hawke would have no way around the inevitable stupid battle that was now determined to happen.

Mage vs. Templar? Save the Mages vs. the Right of Annulment? That's the climax? We had that decision already in DAO.

Just like we already had "Fade spirit fused with another human in non-abomination form" (Anders vs. Wynne), just like we already had "blood mage with good intentions that goes horribly awry" (Merril vs. Jowan), just like we had "something ancient and horrible in the Deep Roads of unknown power" (the lyirum idol vs. the Anvil), just like we already saw "an abused slave elf turned into a killer" (Fenris vs. Zevran), just like we already saw a "cheating, sexually liberated pirate captain" (big boobs Isabella vs. realistic Isabella), just like we already saw "Flemeth can shape shift into a dragon and avoid death" (Sharp and pokey Flemeth vs. old Flemeth)...

The only plotline that wasn't recycled from DAO was the Qunari invasion. There should have been an Act 4 that showed Hawke struggling to unite Kirkwall after the events of Act 3 against a larger invasion force of Qunari, if you ask me. That was the only thread that made me intrigued to play the game. Going from the highpoint of taking down the Arishok to finding out the end of the game was going to end in what I already did as one of the first quests in DAO was, to me, insulting.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 19 janvier 2012 - 01:09 .

[snfonseka]

Good for OP.

[Costin_Razvan]

There were far worse games in 2011 then DA2, but it still ranks pretty high for me on worst games released this year.

Not necessarily on what it does as a game, but on what it represents for the game industry.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 janvier 2012 - 01:47 .

[Tyloric]

I really liked DA2 as well. I don't understand how people can say the game is terrible, or the worst thing they've ever played. I mean, seriously?

DA2 wasn't terrible, but it did feel unfinished. BioWare clearly had so much more planned than they obviously were able to get done.

I'm more willing to blame EA for that, to be honest. Massive publishing companies always try to rush out big titles.

Just my $.02.

[panamakira]

legion999 wrote...

I sort of agree with you. It's not my favorite game but it's alot better than some people make it out to be. But of course opinions differ and while some may agree with me alot more don't.

Yeah. It's not my favorite game of  2011 but it's pretty up there. There were too many things I had issues with but the replay value for me is high and overall I enjoyed the best aspects of it. Story and characters.

[Malanu]

To me the story went backwards. We went from saving a nation in DA:O to saving a city. We went from having multiple races to choose from to 3 classes of human hero. The most open decision we had was who we were going to sleep with!

And with all of this restriction, I am still finding things to do that I missed in my first three passes! I get to try different paths (so long as they can't interfere in the meta game course). So was it a crappy game compared to DA:O? Yeah it was. BUT was it a crappy game? No it wasn't. I've been playing Video game RPGs since the early 90s (and RPGs since '78) . I have played my fair share of crappy RPGs over 3 decades. DA2 was mediocre but entertaining, yet I am still on my 4th pass through the game since christmas... so there has to be something that keeps me playing, because I played Final Fantasy X a total of 2 times all the way through, and I loved that game!

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I've often said that the companions and the banter between them are one of the very few bright spots in the game -- though I don't think they got enough screen time to justify the timeline of the game. voiced PC and the new combat animations are others -- but that doesn't change how it'd be a horrible game in my view.

A few good elements aren't enough to make me change my view. It'd still be a horrible game to me if it was made by an indie company and was the same as what we got. The horrific story, reactive/inactive protagonist, and the emphasis on combat and not a mix of combat/stealth/persuasion/other things are some of the flaws that bring the game down for me.

A horrible game with good elements, but a horrible game nevertheless.

I thought the companions are good as well, but not enough to make up for the problems with the game: mages and templars were little more than caricatures, there was no serious exploration into the dichotomy between mages and templars as a result, Orsino and Meredith became nothing more than fodder for Hawke instead of engaging characters, and choices didn't seem to matter when everything resulted in the same outcome. The lack of significant choice is an issue for the two last story DLCs as well.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Truthfully, I wouldn't say that I expected Bioware quality. I've only played two Bioware games: DAO and DAII.

Now, perhaps you could say that because of how I thought DAO was a good game -- not awesome or almost perfect. I found that it had flaws as well -- that managed to make me play it over 30 times I did expect a similar quality from DAII.

That's fair I guess, as a person would use my only prior experience with Bioware as a way to try and judge what I deem quality worthy.

What I did definitely expect though is a game that wasn't rushed and held true to the marketing and dev comments used by the team to promote it.

You aren't kidding about the claims by the developers not holding true to what we received. Mike Laidlaw's claim that Kirkwall would be shaped around our actions as Hawke are one example.

[mrpoultry]

Double post. meant to edit but quoted it by accident. I iz big dunce.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 22 janvier 2012 - 06:01 .

[mrpoultry]

mrpoultry wrote...

I like Dragon Age 2 and had some really fun times with it but it isn't as good as its predeccessor.

[BubbleDncr]

It was my favorite game, too.

Only thing that may have topped it was SWTOR.

[valky667]

BubbleDncr wrote...

It was my favorite game, too.

Only thing that may have topped it was SWTOR.

Hmm, for like 3-4 weeks it was or is (?) okayyyy; pretty 'decent' for a mmorpg *whisper* ..
Started another DA:2 campaign just for the fun some days ago, and even if the story is a bit 'odd' and not really comparable to good ol' DA:O it's still a nice game to spend some time into.
My only complains are the jump-into-actions, now its all about having 2 mages with some nasty AoE stuff = boring.

[besides, my game of the year 2011 is 'still' Shogun 2:TW ^^ ME:2 doesn't count, nor? ]

Modifié par valky667, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:13 .

[Agamo45]

I'm sorry.

[Nadia]

It was also my favorite game, I've even played Skyrim recently and with all its beautiful enviroment and open world it is not even close to how much I enjoyed playing DA2. Dragon Age is a lot different than any other rpg games for me. It has unique things - such as great type of humour or excellent characters with many possible interactions.

[schalafi]

I really liked it in spite of some of the frustrating aspects. The story and npc's made up for that in my opinion. I don't play games primarily for the fighting, although I liked the faster action in DA2. I've played a mage for the first time in any Bioware game, and it's great. I think the romances, banter, and story were as good (if not better) than any other Bioware game I've ever played.

[BioFan (Official)]

I just replayed DA:O and started again on DA2, HUUUUUUUGE difference. DA2 is my favorite between the two by far, but it's mostly due to the enhancements. Story-wise i perfer DA:O, but having played DA2, the fighting is soooooooooooooo much better.

[Wyndham711]

I have a lot of trouble picturing the particular frame of mind, and the sort of predicament where someone would willingly say they they thought DA2 was better than DA:O, or indeed the best game last year. Now, this is wholly my personal limatation and a sign of a lack of imagination and flexibility of thinking on my part, but still, I feel puzzled and frustrated.

[Feanor_II]

The Witcher 2 was my favourite.....

But I haven't tried Batman yet..... I'll do it later

Modifié par Feanor_II, 30 janvier 2012 - 12:38 .

[pmac_tk421]

DA2 wasn't my favorite game that year but it was in my top five. It was a really awesome game.

[scpulley]

Huh. Well, I'd say 2011 was a weird year for Bioware to forget how to do a decent RPG because it was chalk full of amazing RPG's. Hands down, I'd say Deus Ex Human Revolution was the best game of 2011 followed very closely by Witcher 2 and a littler further back would be Skyrim. DA 2 is like Star Wars Episode 1 to me. If I could get my hands on the moron that thought it would be a good idea as is to be released I'd kick them in the balls and scream WHY really loudly. DA 2 isn't anywhere close to the level those 3 top games of 2011 I mentioned. Not even worthy to be grouped as an RPG with them since that implies DA 2 actually told a full story instead of...whatever the hell they were trying to do in DA 2.

Modifié par scpulley, 01 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[Dasher1010]

If I wanted to give money to EA, I'd rather pay money for Crysis 2 since that was a damn good shooter. Other games that I enjoyed better than DA2 last year include The Witcher 2, Gears of War 3 and Skyrim. I logged over 100 hours in Gears 3 MP. I only played through DA2 once.

[hunterxx1xx]

 

[Gemini1179]

Ok I laughed at that vid.

DA2 had Merrill, the Friendship/Rivalry, Varric... um... Bethany "Jailbait" Hawke... and Jo Wyatt doing FemHawke. Not much else going on.

I'm sure there was something else I liked... I probably posted it months ago now. Haven't played the game since a week after MotA and haven't looked back.

[Giltspur]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

What made the game so special for me was the charcters and THAT is always the thing that makes a lasting impression on me in an RPG or any game in general, along with the story.  I know the overall story of DA2 was not fantastic on it's own, but there were so many memorable moments and quests that it didn't matter to me.  Although there was no Alistair or Morrigan in DA2, I still became very attached to some of them, most of all Anders.  I really wanted to play Ferris' romance storyline in one of my playthroughs but I loved the Anders one so much I never did. 

I agree with that.  I thought the characters were very good even though, like you, I didn't think any were quite up to Morrigan and Alistair (which are two of my favorites of any Bioware game).  And I think the quests for characters were better in DAII than in DAO (even though I still like DAO more all things considered).  

Playing Amalur in all its drab glory has recently caused me to remember Dragon Age II's stories and characters more fondly.

(My "favorite" games of 2011 were Skyrim and Portal 2.  Though I'd rather talk about the pros and cons of Dragon Age II than those games, whatever that means.)

Modifié par Giltspur, 18 février 2012 - 10:31 .