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[SNascimento]

So, people who get the standard version will have to pay extra for the complet game. Is that it?

[AlanC9]

Slidell505 wrote...

Are you guys really defending Bioware cutting out content to push as DLC? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

Cutting out content? Don't be stupid.

Day 1 DLC has been EA policy since before ME2 shipped. Bio's always known that they were going to need content for that DLC.

Sure, Bio could have been very, very stupid, and made ME3 without thinking about DLC. Then they would have to cut something out of ME3 to be the DLC.

Or Bio could have not been stupid, and had a plan to make the day 1 DLC from the moment they started working on ME3.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[Niulus Kriyk]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Uh, no.  Lots of companies don't rip you off with DLC

Really? Are you from the past?

[ROFLcopter Goes Soi Soi Soi]

AlanC9 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Wait, people are actually SUPPORTING Day-one DLC? Unbelievable.

I'm supporting Bio's right to make whatever they want and to sell it however they want. So, yeah.

And if you think that the alternative to the day 1 DLC is everyone getting the content free, you're not thinking. The obvious alternative is for Bio to not make that character at all.

Its like you never played video games before DLC. So sad really.

[Chuvvy]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Are you guys really defending Bioware cutting out content to push as DLC? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

Or it's content that was cut and they decided to add back into the game because they didn't want to leave it out. Or it was made from the start to be DLC.

Let me offer counter points to your terrible argument. If they announced it with the announcement of the CE, it was not cut. If it was planned to be DLC from the begining, which it was, it should be in the main game, because they're making it while making the game, it could easily be put in. But they won't do it, because EA is oppsssed with project ten dollar. And it's just going to get worse if you guys keep eating this up. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

[AlanC9]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

And if you think that the alternative to the day 1 DLC is everyone getting the content free, you're not thinking. The obvious alternative is for Bio to not make that character at all.

Uh, no.  Lots of companies don't rip you off with DLC and go on to sell millions of copies.  It's not an either-or situation.  It's EA being afriad of the used-game market.  Nice try, though.

Wow... you really missed the point there.

Why are you assuming that in a world without DLC Bio would allocate the resources that would have going into making DLC into making ME3 bigger, rather than, say, putting those folks to work on TOR? Because you'd really like to get a bigger version of ME3 is not a reason.

[Chuvvy]

AlanC9 wrote...

Cutting out content? Don't be stupid.

Day 1 DLC has been EA policy since before ME2 shipped. Bio's always known that they were going to need content for that DLC.

Sure, Bio could have been very, very stupid, and made ME3 without thinking about DLC. Then they would have to cut something out of ME3 to be the DLC.

Or Bio could have not been stupid, and had a plan to make the day 1 DLC from the moment they started working on ME3.

Slidell505 wrote...

If it was planned to be DLC from the begining, which it was, it should be in the main game, because they're making it while making the game, it could easily be put in. But they won't do it, because EA is oppsssed with project ten dollar. And it's just going to get worse if you guys keep eating this up. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

Modifié par Slidell505, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

YungD815 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Uh, no.  Lots of companies don't rip you off with DLC

Really? Are you from the past?

Well, not lots...but quite a few.

[AlanC9]

Slidell505 wrote...

Let me offer counter points to your terrible argument. If they announced it with the announcement of the CE, it was not cut. If it was planned to be DLC from the begining, which it was, it should be in the main game, because they're making it while making the game, it could easily be put in. But they won't do it, because EA is oppsssed with project ten dollar. And it's just going to get worse if you guys keep eating this up. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

So companies shouldn't be allowed to work on a DLC at the same time they're making the main game? They're only allowed to work on one ME3 project at a time?

[sackyhack]

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

[AlanC9]

ROFLcopter Goes Soi Soi Soi wrote...
Its like you never played video games before DLC. So sad really.

Dude, I started playing games with Zork and Starflight.

Well, actually, the first games I played were on a mainframe, but those weren't commercial products.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:35 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Wow... you really missed the point there.

Why are you assuming that in a world without DLC Bio would allocate the resources that would have going into making DLC into making ME3 bigger, rather than, say, putting those folks to work on TOR? Because you'd really like to get a bigger version of ME3 is not a reason.

EA is not "forced" to release day 1 DLC, you know.  It's a policy for them to nickel-and-dime you by cutting content from the discs.

[riddick 116]

sackyhack wrote...

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

the word is that it will indeed be paid dlc with the exception of those that bought the CE. 

[naledgeborn]

sackyhack wrote...

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

It's not. You buy the SE you still gotta pay.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Slidell505 wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Are you guys really defending Bioware cutting out content to push as DLC? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

Or it's content that was cut and they decided to add back into the game because they didn't want to leave it out. Or it was made from the start to be DLC.

Let me offer counter points to your terrible argument. If they announced it with the announcement of the CE, it was not cut. If it was planned to be DLC from the begining, which it was, it should be in the main game, because they're making it while making the game, it could easily be put in. But they won't do it, because EA is oppsssed with project ten dollar. And it's just going to get worse if you guys keep eating this up. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

They didn't release it with the all versions of the game because the CE version isn't worth the price awithout it. The standard version is worth the price without it.

Also if all you want is the DLC mission and character from the CE then you'll be saving $13 since the price will likely be $7 for it and you want have to pay the extra $20 for the CE.

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:47 .

[AlanC9]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Wow... you really missed the point there.

Why are you assuming that in a world without DLC Bio would allocate the resources that would have going into making DLC into making ME3 bigger, rather than, say, putting those folks to work on TOR? Because you'd really like to get a bigger version of ME3 is not a reason.

EA is not "forced" to release day 1 DLC, you know.  It's a policy for them to nickel-and-dime you by cutting content from the discs.

Of course they're not forced. They're not forced to sell that content as DLC, and they're not forced to make that content in the first place.

But cutting from the discs? That's obvious nonsense. That content was never part of the discs in the first place. Hell, the discs don't even exist; I doubt they've gotten as far as a release candidate yet.

[AlanC9]

riddick 116 wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

the word is that it will indeed be paid dlc with the exception of those that bought the CE. 

Isn't the point of a CE to get more stuff than you get in a regular edition?

[riddick 116]

AlanC9 wrote...

riddick 116 wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

the word is that it will indeed be paid dlc with the exception of those that bought the CE. 

Isn't the point of a CE to get more stuff than you get in a regular edition?

not to me, CE is to get collectors items aka stuff outside of the game for those that are fanboys.

[BatmanPWNS]

Well I can't stand Day-1 DLC's and usually get angry at them but I knew because ME2 had 'em it was more than likely that ME3 would have 'em.

[mineralica]

sackyhack wrote...

I don't get it. What's wrong with free DLC? It's just used to deter used sales. If it was paid day 1 dlc then yeah sure I'd bust out my torch and pitchfork, but if it's anything like ME2's cerberus network then I don't see the problem.

It might become serious problem for people with not so good internet connection.

[slimgrin]

It's a tricky argument and highly subjective because if the main game delivers with lots of content, then they can do all the DLC they want. That said, I thought ME2 was rather sparse in the weapons and armor dept and sure enough the extra stuff came rolling in after release, most of it for a price. But then getting Zaeed, Shale and their respective missions for free was awesome.

When the Xbox version of TW2 releases, we all get an improved game and 4hrs of extra content for free, and that's on top of a lot of extra content already released for TW2. Basically, CDPR b*tch slaps Bioware when it comes to this.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[essarr71]

naledgeborn wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Here's a crazy idea.  Stop ****ing and don't buy bioware products if you're butthurt. 

Wow. What cave did you crawl out of? One of the main reasons to have a community forum is to talk about stuff like this. But hey don't mind me. If there's ever something you've purchased or considering purchasing and you're disasatisfied with it fret not, just "Stop ****ing".

Right, because if I said to you I'm really not happy with how you're handling things but I'll buy it anyway, I'm sure you'll take my complaints to heart.  The reason why companies keep pumping out payfor dlc right from the get go is because theres a strong enough market thats buying it up.  So you can hate bioware for maximizing their profits, but so long as a minority complain, it won't change.  You want the system to change, a company needs to risk loosing money by sticking to the practice.  So, yeah, don't **** to bioware, stop buying their products.. or better, try to convince other people not to buy it. 

So go back to your cave where you think wasting money on stuff you're not happy with is a good idea.

[PaulSX]

slimgrin wrote...

It's a tricky argument and highly subjective because if the main game delivers with lots of content, then they can do all the DLC they want. That said, I thought ME2 was rather sparse in the weapons and armor dept and sure enough the extra stuff came rolling in after release, most of it for a price. But then getting Zaeed, Shale and their respective missions for free was awesome.

When the Xbox version of TW2 releases, we all get an improved game and 4hrs of extra content for free, and that's on top of a lot of extra content already released for TW2. Basically, CDPR b*tch slaps Bioware when it comes to this.

yeah, CDPR really shows what a devoted game developer should be. But I really do not  mind Bioware plays with their farcical dlc plans as long as the main game itself has enough contents.

[AlanC9]

riddick 116 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Isn't the point of a CE to get more stuff than you get in a regular edition?

not to me, CE is to get collectors items aka stuff outside of the game for those that are fanboys.

So for a CE,  physical stuff good, digital stuff bad?